Haiti’s leader resigns as gangs run rampant through country engulfed in crisis

[NALs]

So Kenya first agreed to send soldiers, then back down as things in Haiti took a worse turn, then said sike and was going to send them, but once it realized Kenyan soldiers will have to put to use their fighting ability it says sike again? Apparently, for Kenya this is all a game.

 

[Ecoman1949]

So Kenya first agreed to send soldiers, then back down as things in Haiti took a worse turn, then said sike and was going to send them, but once it realized Kenyan soldiers will have to put to use their fighting ability it says sike again? Apparently, for Kenya this is all a game.

It started out as a money game with the potential to collect $550 million for a quick and dirty intervention. I highly doubt they were serious about playing the long game with a force of only 1000 police. I doubt if any of them have been subject to the level of violence from the 200 or more heavily armed gangs encountered by the Haitian police forces over the past month. The political goal posts are changing constantly so anything they do would be ineffective. Being political cannon fodder doesn’t sit well with them.

Canada has big commitments in the Ukraine and could potentially be part of a multinational UN security force in Gaza once a ceasefire is achieved. Other international forces are not stepping up to the plate to play the Haitian game. The UN is going to have to pull a big armed rabbit out of a hat to mount an intervention on Haitian soil.

 

[JD Jones]

Not to worry, I'm anxiously awaiting to see how Guy and BBQ now take charge of the country and organize elections, stop the murders and looting, and get it back on track to success.
I'm guessing the 300 million is for them?

 

[windeguy]

He resigned it’s been broadcast on American radio this morning also

Haiti's prime minister Ariel Henry resigns as law and order collapses https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-68541349

Even today I am seeing news articles stating he will resign once there is an interim government for which there is no time frame to happen.

Of course he is already gone.

 

[windeguy]

Once again the Kenyans are putting more conditions on their proposed intervention in Haiti. They announced today that their 1000 police force members will not set foot on Haitian soil until a provisional government is in place and functioning. That’s a catch 22 situation. A provisional government can only function if there is an intervention force to support them. This puts the onus clearly on the UN to resolve the issue. They may have to look elsewhere for sacrificial lambs to send to Haiti.

Haiti Is quickly becoming a bad taste in the mouths of the Kenyans. I suspect they are looking for ways to bow out of the intervention initiative. They now realize that a force of only 1000 will quickly get chewed up and spit out by the uncontrollable violence.

Same condition as the current leader resigning. (Will some try to state the Kenyans are already there? LOL)

What will the UN do? Nothing.

Ah that interim government gives so many chances for an excuse. Smart of the Kenyans to actually pull it, it would be.

 

[windeguy]

World War II shook the wold up.

The UN created in 1945 to maintain international peace and security.
The organization of 193 sovereign states have become a cesspool of personal political interests and blocks of countries.
Reform is sorely needed.

The few democracies in the world are under threat of hybrid and cyber wars.
Boots on the ground are the last defence.
There are only so many resources that can be directed to finance defence and to financial help for countries in crisis.

We will see what international resolutions will be met and how much money will be spend on Haiti.

"General Assembly resolutions usually require a simple majority (50 percent of all votes plus one) to pass. However, if the General Assembly determines that the issue is an "important question" by a simple majority vote, then a two-thirds majority is required; "important questions" are those that deal significantly with the maintenance of international peace and security"

United Nations General Assembly resolution - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Doesn't matter what it was created for. It is so useless in reality that it should be disbanded.

 

[XQT]

Doesn't matter what it was created for. It is so useless in reality that it should be disbanded.

A slush fund of tax payers money in the billions.
Some don't pay, pay short.

https://www.un.org/en/ga/contributions/honourroll.shtml

U.S. Financial Contributions to the UN

U.S. assessments for the UN regular budget, peacekeeping operations, and specialized agencies have amounted to less than $3 billion annually.

betterworldcampaign.org

 

[playacaribe2]

And from within, the forces (gangs) in control of various parts of Haiti have rejected the CARICOM transnational council proposal to hold elections and install a new President.

Their position is that this is Haitian matter and it should be decided by Haitians. Read that to mean they are not about to give up their power...........

A civil war will likely shortly ensue as the gangs refuse to cede power............something (power) I might add they also had under the previous administrations who often used them to maintain order and supplement the police forces.

And so it goes................2121 (my time frame for order and the economy restored) will be here before you know it.


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

 

[NanSanPedro]

And from within, the forces (gangs) in control of various parts of Haiti have rejected the CARICOM transnational council proposal to hold elections and install a new President.

Their position is that this is Haitian matter and it should be decided by Haitians. Read that to mean they are not about to give up their power...........

A civil war will likely shortly ensue as the gangs refuse to cede power............something (power) I might add they also had under the previous administrations who often used them to maintain order and supplement the police forces.

And so it goes................2121 (my time frame for order and the economy restored) will be here before you know it.


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

I still think Phillipe can unite the gangs. It won't be pretty nor will it be good for the country, but he can do it.

 

[NALs]

Their position is that this is Haitian matter and it should be decided by Haitians.

That’s a tough pill to swallow for several foreigners, many Dominicans (and even Dominican-Americans, yes I’m talking about you Junto Díaz et al) included.

What does that means for the “Dominican solution to the problems of Haiti?”

 

[playacaribe2]

I still think Phillipe can unite the gangs. It won't be pretty nor will it be good for the country, but he can do it.

That may not be of much help in the end as he will likely want a seat at the table. Given that he was imprisoned in the US for money laundering and was largely responsible for a prior coup de tat, direct aid from US may not be forthcoming..........and despite that they do not seem to want aid so as not to be beholding to the strings attached..........at the end of the day they have little choice.

Sadly, they may first need a bloody civil war to wear down the gang forces.

This is a long long process..........but 2121 will be here before you know it.

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

 

[Ecoman1949]

It’s amazing the number of Haitian, “saviours“, appearing on the political horizon, gang leaders, former convicts, the UN, CARICOM, the US, etc. Several months ago no one gave a rat‘s posterior about the future of Haiti. Now everyone has a solution but it’s a solution based on their own political agenda. The only foreign forces interested were the Kenyans and their motivation was mercenary. The only one who appeared to really care was President Abinader and his pleas fell on deaf ears.

There are too many political fingers in the Haitian pie right now to resolve any issues. The UN still has no sense of direction and appears to be grasping at straws. A true political cluster——k! I know PC2 is saying the issues will be resolved by 2121 tongue in cheek but there is truth in what he is saying. it is going to take years, maybe decades, before there is any semblance of lasting law and order in Haiti. Generational change politically and culturally is what’s required.

 

[NALs]

Yeup, many saviors. Many that have proclaimed themselves “saviors of Haiti” for years and apparently, what they did was inconsequential since Haiti is now a bigger mess than when they first went there.

 

[JD Jones]

That may not be of much help in the end as he will likely want a seat at the table. Given that he was imprisoned in the US for money laundering and was largely responsible for a prior coup de tat, direct aid from US may not be forthcoming..........and despite that they do not seem to want aid so as not to be beholding to the strings attached..........at the end of the day they have little choice.

Sadly, they may first need a bloody civil war to wear down the gang forces.

This is a long long process..........but 2121 will be here before you know it.

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

So... Who do you think the U.S. going to give all of those millions to? Henry?

 

[kingofdice]

Give it a rest. Here are dozens of articles. He is DONE..............

haiti prime minister resigns - Google Search

While appearing to have resigned, Ariel Henry, still holds position of Haitian Prime Minister. Henry is a stick in the mud who obviously doesn't like giving up his P.M. title, even to the detriment of the utter chaos, home abandonment by tens of thousands of Haitians, and constant street killings in Port-au-Prince. He will foot drag appointing a transitional council like he has foot dragged holding elections in the country with his standard line of excuses. Henry still hasn't explained the the two phone calls at 4:07 a.m. and 4:20 a.m. totaling seven minutes from assassin plotter Joseph-Félix Badio on the night of Jovenal Moise's murder.

 

[aarhus]

Lets hope the United States intervenes. They will be welcomed like liberators.

 

[MariaRubia]

Lets hope the United States intervenes. They will be welcomed like liberators.

They did such a great job of sorting out Afghanistan and Iraq and more recently their intervention in the Israel / Gaza war has done so much to help sort out the issues, I'm sure a bit of US intervention is just what Haiti needs right now.

 

[aarhus]

They did such a great job of sorting out Afghanistan and Iraq and more recently their intervention in the Israel / Gaza war has done so much to help sort out the issues, I'm sure a bit of US intervention is just what Haiti needs right now.

Even better make Haiti like Puerto Rico

 

[playacaribe2]

So... Who do you think the U.S. going to give all of those millions to? Henry?

Not a chance.....at least not directly to the government......whoever is in control.

After some form of stability, what they will do is provide so called humanitarian aid the way they have in the past through USAID, funneled to private NGO's and SME's that have been previously vetted.

Many other countries will likely provide humanitarian aid as well. The DR has been providing indirect humanitarian aid for years.


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

 

[playacaribe2]

They did such a great job of sorting out Afghanistan and Iraq and more recently their intervention in the Israel / Gaza war has done so much to help sort out the issues, I'm sure a bit of US intervention is just what Haiti needs right now.

You are making apples to oranges comparisons here.

When the US, or its allies, feel their security is threatened, they will intervene. Note that in the case of Afghanistan and Iraq, it was not just the US intervening, but rather coalition forces including the Brits.

As to Israel/Gaza, no US intervention has taken place other than a call for a cease-fire.

If Haiti were to mount a terrorist attack on the US, declare war on the US, or be perceived to acquire weapons of mass destruction to be used against the US..........then and only then would you likely see US/coalition intervention in Haiti.

Otherwise it will be the usual diplomatic efforts and humanitarian aid funding.......which will bear no real fruit until 2121.


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2