MINUSTAH is responsable for its own waste removal and camp construction and maintenance.... as well as its food... which comes from here in the DR
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MINUSTAH is responsable for its own waste removal and camp construction and maintenance.... as well as its food... which comes from here in the DR
from time magazine.....
The cholera epidemic which has claimed the lives of more than 1,000 Haitians has now spread to it's neighbor, the Dominican Republic, which shares the Island of Hispaniola with grief-stricken Haiti.
Rumors of the first case of cholera in the Dominican Republic have been confirmed by Public Health Minister Bautista Rojas G?mez. The citizen affected by cholera has been identified as Haitian migrant, Wilmo Louwes, 32, a construction worker who is being treated in the town of Higuey. (Read more in A Storm Averted, Haiti's Cholera Threat Grows.)
Prior to this year both the Dominican Republic and Haiti had not confirmed a single case of cholera for over 100 years.
Read more: Haiti’s Cholera Epidemic Crosses The Dominican Border - TIME NewsFeed
The cholera epidemic which has claimed the lives of more than 1,000 Haitians has now spread to it's neighbor, the Dominican Republic, which shares the Island of Hispaniola with grief-stricken Haiti.
Rumors of the first case of cholera in the Dominican Republic have been confirmed by Public Health Minister Bautista Rojas G?mez. The citizen affected by cholera has been identified as Haitian migrant, Wilmo Louwes, 32, a construction worker who is being treated in the town of Higuey. (Read more in A Storm Averted, Haiti's Cholera Threat Grows.)
Prior to this year both the Dominican Republic and Haiti had not confirmed a single case of cholera for over 100 years.
Read more: Haiti’s Cholera Epidemic Crosses The Dominican Border - TIME NewsFeed
Not true, I have photos of every page of the Book of the dead in Jarabacoa 1935-2003. In August of 1958 two children died of Cholera in Jarabacoa. There are more as you go through the book. One page in 1961 has more than a dozen.
The cholera epidemic was brought to Haiti by UN MINUSTAH Nepalese troops stationed in Mirebalais. Haitians know it, and are now up in arms about it.
Here's the smoking gun plus suggestions of a cover up...
OpEdNews - Article: Haiti: Ground Truthing Cholera in Mirebalais
Here's the smoking gun plus suggestions of a cover up...
OpEdNews - Article: Haiti: Ground Truthing Cholera in Mirebalais
What has me leaning towards believing the story about it being a new strain of cholera is that Haiti has had several catastrophes the past 15 years involving flooding....several, and never heard of an outbreak of this proportion.
What makes me a bit skeptical is that....I think Black folks in general and Haitians specifically are too prone to believing and immediately spreading rumors.
There's good reason that we have for believing the worst given how our leaders and outsiders have sold us out and exploited us time after time, but even in normal times in Haiti we are just too accepting of rumors.
A few weeks ago the "story" was that officials from DR had intentionally spread cholera in Haiti....and, on cue, some people from older generation were ACTUALLY repeating the story...
I read a book years ago about Blacks in America (& western hemisphere) and rumors...and
I'll reserve judgment until more facts come out.
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What makes me a bit skeptical is that....I think Black folks in general and Haitians specifically are too prone to believing and immediately spreading rumors.
There's good reason that we have for believing the worst given how our leaders and outsiders have sold us out and exploited us time after time, but even in normal times in Haiti we are just too accepting of rumors.
A few weeks ago the "story" was that officials from DR had intentionally spread cholera in Haiti....and, on cue, some people from older generation were ACTUALLY repeating the story...
I read a book years ago about Blacks in America (& western hemisphere) and rumors...and
I'll reserve judgment until more facts come out.
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What has me leaning towards believing the story about it being a new strain of cholera is that Haiti has had several catastrophes the past 15 years involving flooding....several, and never heard of an outbreak of this proportion.
What makes me a bit skeptical is that....I think Black folks in general and Haitians specifically are too prone to believing and immediately spreading rumors.
There's good reason that we have for believing the worst given how our leaders and outsiders have sold us out and exploited us time after time, but even in normal times in Haiti we are just too accepting of rumors.
A few weeks ago the "story" was that officials from DR had intentionally spread cholera in Haiti....and, on cue, some people from older generation were ACTUALLY repeating the story...
I read a book years ago about Blacks in America (& western hemisphere) and rumors...and
I'll reserve judgment until more facts come out.
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Care to elaborate? Or, would you instead agree that this is something that is common to anyone (black or white) who is susceptible to believing "Urban Legends" (and I bet that includes YOU too).
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Oh ok....I'm BLACK....and Haitian from rural Haitian stock....and grew up around Black and Afro-Latino and Caribbean folks for the first 18 years of my life. the American Black folks I grew up with were first or second generation Southerners who moved up North.
So SURELY I'm talking about MYSELF when I talk about Black folks and tendency to believe and spread rumors .....and to not personally find out what the facts are. One interesting addition I'd like to make is that we tend to only be discerning when the rumor hits home and targets our specific group.
One of those rumors was the belief that most or all Haitians have Aids or that Aids developed or sprung up out of Haiti. All it took was for the white guy on TV to mention that some of the earlier cases in USA had been of Haitian immigrants...and the initial "reports" about the 4 "H"s...being most susceptible to HIV....and it was a wrap....
I have close friends who never looked, treated me any differently....but about 95% of the Black folks (children and adults) I encountered within a certain 3 year span fully believed that "Haiti= aids".
Reading the book, in the early 90s..I remembered most of the cases she mentioned and how people whole heartedly swallowed and believed things based on nothing more than hearsay.
Today, with easily accessible ways of confirming or challenging ANY story, report or rumor.....it seems like we still run wild with rumors.
Recent rumors that people are ACTUALLY verbalizing in public are about this or that star being gay, grand conspiracy theories are Illuminati, even some of the comments that were attributed to Rush Limbaugh,etc,etc,etc,
So SURELY I'm talking about MYSELF when I talk about Black folks and tendency to believe and spread rumors .....and to not personally find out what the facts are. One interesting addition I'd like to make is that we tend to only be discerning when the rumor hits home and targets our specific group.
One of those rumors was the belief that most or all Haitians have Aids or that Aids developed or sprung up out of Haiti. All it took was for the white guy on TV to mention that some of the earlier cases in USA had been of Haitian immigrants...and the initial "reports" about the 4 "H"s...being most susceptible to HIV....and it was a wrap....
I have close friends who never looked, treated me any differently....but about 95% of the Black folks (children and adults) I encountered within a certain 3 year span fully believed that "Haiti= aids".
Reading the book, in the early 90s..I remembered most of the cases she mentioned and how people whole heartedly swallowed and believed things based on nothing more than hearsay.
Today, with easily accessible ways of confirming or challenging ANY story, report or rumor.....it seems like we still run wild with rumors.
Recent rumors that people are ACTUALLY verbalizing in public are about this or that star being gay, grand conspiracy theories are Illuminati, even some of the comments that were attributed to Rush Limbaugh,etc,etc,etc,
Moreover, as the book explains....because of ACTUAL mistreatment, brutality,and exploitation of our people by white people and institutions...certain rumors will always gain steam in our communities.....regardless of facts.
Things DID happen overtly and covertly to our people(tuskegee experiment. FBI cointelpro) that it's not too much of a stretch to believe some of the examples she gave.........Church's chicken being owned by the klan, and putting things in the chicken to kill or sterilize Black men.
I don't know if you lived in a major American city in the late 80s...but that was definitely a bigtime rumor that got a lot of burn.
It goes just beyond people in America and a tendency towards urban myths.Let's not mince words.
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I will explain the specifically Haitians comment for you if you want me to.
I'm not talking out of my ass. You may disagree but after hearing/reading why I wrote that, I think you'd concede my points.
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Ok ... so WE have something in common with the author of that book (who is also Black). But, I think it's more related to how people tend to believe Urban Myths, rather than race. Just my opinion ....
A lot of people, white and black, bought into some of the myths about Aids and Haiti. Destroyed tourism there, among other things.
As someone born and raised in the US, in the late 40's, I am aware of the impact and implications. You are not wrong. But I do think it also goes beyond race. ANY group that perceives a threat (Tuskegee experiment ... in Guatemala?) will be hyper-suspicious.
Oh....ok...I just joined the board recently and had assumed that most if not all of the members on such a culture specific board would be from Hispaniola, so I thought that it was a given that I am Black.
I was just told in another post, which I assumed a comment had been written by a DR national, that there are quite a lot of people here from different places and corners of the earth.
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As far as what you said about things not being race specific....I'll concede that point...after all, plenty of white folks were lead to believe that this is an "Arab" family
......and fell for it......
they were manipulated, and I think this cholera story involves some level of manipulation.
In terms of what you wrote about US government "experiments" in other countries, we just have too many "later confirmed" stories RIGHT here(of which we've been the target)domestically for there to be any comparison between the skeptical, suspicious level of Black folks and other groups....except maybe Amerindians/ native people.
How would you know that, I suspect you are not old enough to have been there? The doctor in Jarabacoa in those days was Jose Jimenez, a tropical disease specialist. He still lives in Jarabacoa and is fluent in Spanish , English and French. Dysentry was also common in those days. He had a degree from Spain and another from the USA. I contracted Shigella two years ago, I suspect from an A1 resort in PP. Bloody diarrhea, and horrendous cramps for two days until I got the correct medicine.
yeah sure.....is this arbitrary moderating though?
read TONS of openly racist comments at the opening of 7-8 page threads and never any moderation.....two Black men discussing rumors and the propensity of ethnic groups to believe rumors based on past history is what gets a warning?
que te pasa?
Where I'm at in Babiole, the demonstrations have died down. For the past two
days, groups have been trying to take the UN Police compound at Haut-de-Cap,
so the surrounding areas - Charrier, Verti?res, Mourne Rouge - have been *
cho*. Thankfully, there hasn't been gunfire since yesterday evening.
Although, we heard that one Haitian was killed at Pont Neuf during this
time. Some heard that Pr?val was coming to the north, so they put three
bodies of cholera victims in front of the delegation building in the Place
d'Arms yesterday.
People are out and about now, but they are walking on back routes, and
church services were being held this morning. A woman I spoke to confirmed
that the *vyolans* was over, but it was still unsafe to walk the streets.
The roads are still blocked, at least in this *zon*, by trees and tire
fires, and groups on Rt. 1 are stopping people to demand money or gasoline
(the gas stations closed yesterday morning). The roads going east out of
Okap are reportedly cleared now by PNH, but the airport is still closed. The
road south to Limb? is blocked still.
-- Landon Yarrington
Department of Anthropology
College of William and Mary
Williamsburg, VA 23185
days, groups have been trying to take the UN Police compound at Haut-de-Cap,
so the surrounding areas - Charrier, Verti?res, Mourne Rouge - have been *
cho*. Thankfully, there hasn't been gunfire since yesterday evening.
Although, we heard that one Haitian was killed at Pont Neuf during this
time. Some heard that Pr?val was coming to the north, so they put three
bodies of cholera victims in front of the delegation building in the Place
d'Arms yesterday.
People are out and about now, but they are walking on back routes, and
church services were being held this morning. A woman I spoke to confirmed
that the *vyolans* was over, but it was still unsafe to walk the streets.
The roads are still blocked, at least in this *zon*, by trees and tire
fires, and groups on Rt. 1 are stopping people to demand money or gasoline
(the gas stations closed yesterday morning). The roads going east out of
Okap are reportedly cleared now by PNH, but the airport is still closed. The
road south to Limb? is blocked still.
-- Landon Yarrington
Department of Anthropology
College of William and Mary
Williamsburg, VA 23185
Since all the tests seem to point to the Nepalese unit as the source of this particular South Asian strain, I hope the UN will take responsiblity for this and step up their efforts to bring in the antibiotics etc.
CBC News - World - Haiti protests against UN flare again
CBC News - World - Haiti protests against UN flare again
i am not sure what good that will do... if the UN does take responibility, the MINUSTAH troops will lose all credibility and power.. except for their guns.. The Haitian police do not have enough people to maintain order.. and there is no army.
and does it matter how it got there?
Well said~ Yes, eventually, the cause may need to be found,but only so it can be prevented from happening again. NOT just so a finger can be pointed.
Efforts would be better spent taking care of the ill, and not having to dodge rocks and bottles and bullets.
...and does it matter how it got there?[/QUOTE]
reminds me of a question I once posed to a neighbor, about a girl being raped in the vecinity, and becoming pregnant in the ordeal. I asked him if he had any idea who the rapist was. His answer was: "does it matter?".
Of course it matters!
I understand that a cholera epidemic is not a natural occurring phenomena, like an earthquake or hurricane. A culprit needs to be identified, brought to justice, and adequate reparations made for damages done.
reminds me of a question I once posed to a neighbor, about a girl being raped in the vecinity, and becoming pregnant in the ordeal. I asked him if he had any idea who the rapist was. His answer was: "does it matter?".
Of course it matters!
I understand that a cholera epidemic is not a natural occurring phenomena, like an earthquake or hurricane. A culprit needs to be identified, brought to justice, and adequate reparations made for damages done.
...and does it matter how it got there?[/QUOTE]
reminds me of a question I once posed to a neighbor, about a girl being raped in the vicinity, and becoming pregnant in the ordeal. I asked him if he had any idea who the rapist was. His answer was: "does it matter?".
Of course it matters!
I understand that a cholera epidemic is not a natural occurring phenomena, like an earthquake or hurricane. A culprit needs to be identified, brought to justice, and adequate reparations made for damages done.
reminds me of a question I once posed to a neighbor, about a girl being raped in the vicinity, and becoming pregnant in the ordeal. I asked him if he had any idea who the rapist was. His answer was: "does it matter?".
Of course it matters!
I understand that a cholera epidemic is not a natural occurring phenomena, like an earthquake or hurricane. A culprit needs to be identified, brought to justice, and adequate reparations made for damages done.
reminds me of a question I once posed to a neighbor, about a girl being raped in the vicinity, and becoming pregnant in the ordeal. I asked him if he had any idea who the rapist was. His answer was: "does it matter?".
Of course it matters!
I understand that a cholera epidemic is not a natural occurring phenomena, like an earthquake or hurricane. A culprit needs to be identified, brought to justice, and adequate reparations made for damages done.[/QUOTE]
do you think that there is any more chance of getting reparations from the UN than from France?