Absolutely and without question.The tourism industry makes the difference for the DR being a middle income country instead of a poor country.
Three people have achieved what prior governments alone could not....
Respectfully,
Playacaribe2
Absolutely and without question.The tourism industry makes the difference for the DR being a middle income country instead of a poor country.
It seems that NALs doesn't understand what government is, and is for... By the power of the vote.We obviously have different ideas on what constitutes an obligation. It only makes sense to improve infrastructure.
Very high accident rate is the main reason, secondary reason is all the politicians that have Villa that are accessed from the road, third reason= a lot of agriculture product that feeds the rest of the DR comes down that road.There is no reason to increase maintenance costs when you can keep it at the bare minimum and pocket the rest. Certsinly the camino real had a much less maintenance cost thsn what it will take to maintain the current Duarte Highway. Now the government is expanding the Jarabacoa-La Vega road. That’s not an obligation since it could had kept it as the original. Now Punta Cana is about 2 hours from Santo Domingo because the government built the highways, but it wasn’t obligated to do that.
The DR has the highest accident mortality rate in the world. Most of it is simply how people drive. That’s why when the rosd to Samaná was open and it was built to the highest security level, it didn’t take long for accidents to happen in that road.Very high accident rate is the main reason,
None of that are obligations and the Cibao has been the breadbasket of the country since ever.secondary reason is all the politicians that have Villa that are accessed from the road, third reason= a lot of agriculture product that feeds the rest of the DR comes down that road.
LOLIt seems that NALs doesn't understand what government is, and is for... By the power of the vote.
LOL
What they teach in USA universities? A dictartorship as the best form of goverment and socialism as the best economic system?
That’s irrelevant in defining the wage levels.
Violations towards compensation due to employees on the part of the employers is a greater issue when the employee is an illegal immigrant or in the informal sector. All formal employees, who are almost all Dominicans, are protected by a series of labor laws that basically force employers to provide all sorts of things such as a bonus during the Christmas season which is essentially an extra month (in December formal workers essentially are paid twice, what they earned while working plus the bonus.) There is also a liquidation amount to be given to each employee if the company let them go or they quit after an X amount of time and other things.
From the part of the employer, a single formal employee cost is his wages + the extra compensation that normally the employee doesn’t see in his paycheck, but the employer has to pay. Illegal immigrants don’t have any of that, ao employers save on that extra cost and the cost of the employee is just his wage.
Sirena is one of the largest employers in the country and you will be hardpressed to find an illegal immigrant working in their stores. You will also be hardpressed to find illegal immigrants working in Dominican banks. In fact, outside of agriculture and to a certain extent construction, Dominicans are the majority of the employeed.
The reason the DR hardly has Chilean or Peruvian employees is because they don’t migrate much to the DR. You do find from time to time Venezuelans employees from the professions down to street vending and that is due to Venezuelans migratinv to the DR in relatively large numbers. The DR didn’t went to Venezuela and hire the Venezuelan employees, they went to the DR because it was their decision. To pretend it isn’t so is to not acknowledge reality.
There are other reasons too. For example, many feel unsafe in Port-au-Prince and opt to go to the DR instead of other areas of Haiti. Many pregnant women go to the DR to give birth since from their view everything is free and they are getting a service that doesn’t exist in Haiti. Where it all comes from, how much money it takes, etc isn’t something they think about. In the border region many Haitian families living in the Haitian side send their kids to public schools in the Dominican side. These are some examples of other reasons beyond working.
There is the 80/20 law, it’s only a matter of applying it. Many Dominican companies such as Sirena, Jumbo, etc intentionally don’t violate that law. Others do, but enforcement should put an end to that.
The idea that every successful business in the DR is due entirely to the efforts of the budiness owners and their employees is not quite reality.
What drives economic development is the desire to be rich. To not be satisfied with what you have and always want more. However, economic development almost always follows (not lead) the government because that’s the legitimate authority in a geographic area. If you become economically successful in creating a business in a particular place, first and foremost this was possible because the government let you. This is the same reason why many things are different in Cuba.
Like Singapore? The United States? Australia? Barbados?
That’s human nature. Has nothing to do with colonialism.
There is nothing wrong with the rich getting richer. Economics isn’t a zero sum game. The rich will get richer regardless if there is illegal immigration or not. Previous people that were not rich will also become rich, many that were poor will move up to the middle class. Then there are those that go downward.
There is nothing to be sacrificed. There are laws in place that are suppose to guarantee that most workers in every company are Dominican, that the foreigners are in order with their migration status and even laws meant to discourage illegal immigration and encourage immigrating via the legal route. It simply needs to be enforced.
1. What exactly are the obligations of the government then?There is no reason to increase maintenance costs when you can keep it at the bare minimum and pocket the rest. Certsinly the camino real had a much less maintenance cost thsn what it will take to maintain the current Duarte Highway. Now the government is expanding the Jarabacoa-La Vega road. That’s not an obligation since it could had kept it as the original. Now Punta Cana is about 2 hours from Santo Domingo because the government built the highways, but it wasn’t obligated to do that.
We obviously have different ideas on what constitutes an obligation. It only makes sense to improve infrastructure.
Seeming and reality are two different things.Not to my knowledge... But then again, I didn't attend a university in the USA.
But as I said... It seems that you don't understand what a government is, and is for... By the power of the vote.
[/QUOTE]It is absolutely relevant to wage levels, as the attitude of the government, business owners, and household employers disposition toward worker compensation, in the context of the value they place on the service being performed by these workers influences what wage levels are considered appropriate.
Not in some some sectors.Are there not enough Dominicans to meet the workforce requirement?
You seem really worried with blame instead of what is actually happening. It’s only a blame when an excesses of labor in a certain sector due the illegal immigrants doesn’t exist and the illegal immigrants are blamed, but when in reality there is an excess of labor due to illegal immigrants it isn’t a blame, it’s what is happening.You want to blame illegal immigrants for the low wages being paid… However, the illegal immigrants are not the business owners/management who make employment choices and sign the paychecks.
I think you are given you’re very worried about “blame” and not reality. It’s as if you’re one of these extreme leftists who needs to mold any situation to their political views vs reality. At least that’s the vibe I’m getting.I’m pretending nothing… Just making clear what exactly is the true situation.
People can enter countries illegally, and then look for work… But they cannot force anyone to employ them… That is a matter of the employer’s choice to do so.
Chilean, Peruvian, Venezuelan… Or Haitian… It doesn’t matter… None can force a Dominican business owner to employ them… Employing any of them is on the business owner.
Due to a porous border, corruption of border officials and migración officials and the situation in Haiti which is pushing them to leave.There may be many reasons why Haitians come to the DR… Legally or illegally…
Wages go down due to increasing competition and anyone not willing to work for the lowest wages will be out of a job since there are many new ones that will work for the lower wages.I’m speaking about what happens within the job market when illegal immigrants are hired to do a job.
Most illegal immigrants in the DR are from Haiti, not Puerto Rico, not Cuba, not Venezuela. What would happen to the illegal immigrant popularion in the DR is Haitian illegal immigrants were to disappear?You put forward that illegal immigrants are the reason for low wages in the DR…
Perfect example you don’t know what drives economic growth and development. None of what you said exist if there are no people creating and developing businesses. It’s similar to using money to influence people’s decision of where they can work given their experiences and knowledge. Normally, people will work for the highest wage they can get given the going rate, but there are people that aren’t motivated by money. Those are precisely the people for whom advancement isn’t depended on.Actually… The desire to be rich is not what drives economic development… Market forces are what drive economic development (eg. consumer demand/spending, business investment, related regulations, workforce, social environment).
Yes, those are the people that keep trying with new products until one sticks. Their desire to be rich is so strong that they never accepts no or a defeat. People that aren’t motivated by money, if they try to start one business offering a product or a service and it flops, at that moment they give up. People’s livelihood which first and foremost is based on having a job are better off with the one that wants to be rich than the one not motivated by money. They have a chance of getting a job with the first, but as soon as the second flops everybody is out of the job forever if they depend entirely on that person to start another business.A person can have the utmost desire to be rich and produce a product that turns out to be a dismal failure with consumers.
Criminal activity is often the result of people wanting a source of income but they’re unwilling to get one or at the level that they want. This is why crime increases during crises, when the businesses created by people wanting to be rich aren’t doing so well or go bankrupt.Typically, the desire to be rich often works against business success, as the person who desires to be rich can lose sight of moral values… Which may lead to criminal activity that causes that person to end up in jail.
Most people that start a business will not start one if they know it will not improve their economic situation,If you look at a list of character traits of a successful business owner you won’t find the desire to be rich on it.
That’s a very leftist thinking. A perfect example is the United States which wasn’t one colony, but thirteen. Up until recent times when for the first time the children of the baby boomers will do worse than them, what has happened to the USA from its independence is of a place that was rich and simpky got richer with every generation achieving higher wealths and well being than the previous generation. The United State isn’t the only wealthy country that started as a colony.Colonialism developed the environment that people became used to living in… And since the pattern set by those who headed up colonialism was one of taking profit for themselves and not caring about the country (including the people)… When independence came to these countries, the way they thought to govern the newly independent country was according to how they saw the colonial folk do it.
Just a reminder that I’m an economist. You?Economics is the study of man in the ordinary business of life... Carrying out economics is to inquire as to how man gets income and how man uses it.
Those were completely different. The United States quickly regai ed it place after the revolutionary war and even became a superpower, which it still is.Yet, within these environments are social drivers that can turn an economy on its head… Such as what happened in the American War of Independence, the Haitian War of Independence…
The most developed countries all have a higher percentage of rich people in their population. This would had never been reached if when the rich were a smaller percentage of the population were constantly wiped out duecto some revolution. Haiti is actually a perfect example of what results with constant instability. Cuba is another example of how much more difficult it’s to economically develop a place without its wealthy class.Not everyone needs to become rich… But success should equate to a higher standard of living for all involved.
I think the worst is health care but I got criticized heavily here on this forum for claiming there is a major problem. Apparently I hadn’t been following recent improvements all over the country in the health care system.My opinion- I agree the economy has grown. Many more cars are on the road. However the roads cannot accommodate the traffic. Traffic is a nightmare.
Much more construction. But no consistent electricity and areas without water.
Higher minimum wagers that give the ordinary family just a little help.
Yet what is economic growth worth without growth in the infrastructure? And more importantly, what is the future if there is economic growth without growth in education?
Thus, perhaps, yes. The ordinary man benefits just a bit while the rich get richer and richer.
For now. Eventually in my opinion- and I hope I am wrong- it will collapse.
yes and will keep going up thanks to the President of the DR..........Often you will notice that schism. Many things that tends to be presented in the DR1 forums isn’t quite how they are presented elsewhere, but that isn’t limited to DR1. It’s quite common in various forums.
Jamaica was wealthier and more developed than the DR when it became independent in the 1960’s, but since then the DR has caught up to them and then kept going. That’s the main thing catching their interest.
Seeming and reality are two different things.
Mises was able to demonstrate (a) that the expansion of free markets, the division of labor, and private capital investment is the only possible path to the prosperity and flourishing of the human race; (b) that socialism would be disastrous for a modern economy because the absence of private ownership of land and capital goods prevents any sort of rational pricing, or estimate of costs, and (c) that government intervention, in addition to hampering and crippling the market, would prove counter-productive and cumulative, leading inevitably to socialism unless the entire tissue of interventions was repealed. Although not an economist I did take both macro and microeconomics 101 as part of my business education and my wife has many economics courses as part of her statistics degree. We have had many discussions regarding the economy.
yep, I know lots of people prospering. Places where government interferes to much aren't though.What happened in England when their local market became saturated with the goods produced in their industrial revolution?
And how did England's solution work out for the Far East and Africa?
The "...the expansion of free markets, the division of labor, and private capital investment..." that "...is the only possible path to the prosperity and flourishing of the human race;..." must itself be regulated for the betterment of human society. But when the governments that regulate these matters are themselves profit partakers in them... Then who regulates the government regulators?
Tell me... Can you really take an honest look around you and claim that you see a "...prosperity and flourishing of the human race;..."?
Talk is cheap.