Failed war on drugs: Creates drug mafia - murder in the streets

[windeguy]

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[AlterEgo]

DR related posts please 

 

[GringoRubio]

For those of you celebrating the "failure" on the drug war some questions:

- What do you propose to "fix" it?

- Have you in any way, shape or form, being part of the forces actually fighting this "failed war?" (no doing drugs yourself, isn't the same as fighting it from the drug trenches FYI)

- If your answer is "legalize" how do you suggest we do it?

Stupid Tax: Tax as heavily as possible without creating an opportunity for drug cartels to undercut you.

Use some of the proceeds to fund public heath initiatives aimed at addicts and mitigating other drug related social ills.

Some drugs are just too addictive and dangerous to be sold as recreational drugs. These should be sold at a very drab looking government building that educates as well as dispenses the drugs.

I think the Swiss did this with heroine with stunning results.

DR is too poor to see most of the harmful effects.

 

[windeguy]

Stupid Tax: Tax as heavily as possible without creating an opportunity for drug cartels to undercut you.

Use some of the proceeds to fund public heath initiatives aimed at addicts and mitigating other drug related social ills.

Some drugs are just too addictive and dangerous to be sold as recreational drugs. These should be sold at a very drab looking government building that educates as well as dispenses the drugs.

I think the Swiss did this with heroine with stunning results.

DR is too poor to see most of the harmful effects.

The DR has quite a bit of drug use, many people in jail, and corruption at almost every level due to the profits that can be made from illegal drugs. This is all in the news almost every day.

The DR even bought two "Super Tucanos" at great expense to "catch" drug smugglers.

 

[Wishing you well]

The DR has quite a bit of drug use, many people in jail, and corruption at almost every level due to the profits that can be made from illegal drugs. This is all in the news almost every day.

The DR even bought two "Super Tucanos" at great expense to "catch" drug smugglers.

There were actually more than two purchased and they have actually being a key piece to "catch" drug smugglers.

 

[Wishing you well]

I am not a law enforcement person, but many law enforcement people realize how such a war can never be won.

Legalize all of them, regulate them and tax them. Take the profit out of what is currently illegal which would eliminate the cartels and the collateral damage, huge wast of police time and effort which is repeatedly wasted on a daily basis.

This will also stop adding more and more people who just use drugs to the jails and treat them for their addictions, which are medical problems.

There is an alternative, which is used in some countries. Kill anyone and everyone involved in the drug business. That will also work.

You do realize that drugs smuggling is indeed a global issue right? The legalization piece may be a long shot even in the USA, disregard that approach in the rest of the globe -- it won't work, too much money involved, too easy, too fast.

As far as being a LE, that was a given, you aren't, we knew that just by glancing over the reply and OP.

 

[Wishing you well]

The fact that gangsters are killing themselves after decades and decades of a failed war on drugs that was supposed to stop such things from happening should alert people to try a different approach to this problem. Prohibition does not work. Witness the results.

It was never meant to be for such purposes, globally and far away in the DR. The main purpose of the join effort amount US and DR related drug and LE agencies is to deter drugs for coming in to the DR as the island then serves a a hub to distribute the same drugs to the USA and Europe.

The internal use of drugs and the left over criminal activities derived from drugs smuggling in the DR is actually very irrelevant to the USA.

Criminals killing each other after the dust settle? Let them!

 

[windeguy]

It was never meant to be for such purposes, globally and far away in the DR. The main purpose of the join effort amount US and DR related drug and LE agencies is to deter drugs for coming in to the DR as the island then serves a a hub to distribute the same drugs to the USA and Europe.

The internal use of drugs and the left over criminal activities derived from drugs smuggling in the DR is actually very irrelevant to the USA.

Criminals killing each other after the dust settle? Let them!

This thread is about the failed war on drugs and how it impacts the DR. I have no idea what the point of your first paragraph is. The prohibition on drugs called the drug war has not exactly prevented drugs from entering the DR, where they are both sold and used as well as being sent onward to other locales on a daily basis. Some of the criminals are also a portion of the police and the government here in the DR.

 

[Caonabo]

Stupid Tax: Tax as heavily as possible without creating an opportunity for drug cartels to undercut you.

Use some of the proceeds to fund public heath initiatives aimed at addicts and mitigating other drug related social ills.

Some drugs are just too addictive and dangerous to be sold as recreational drugs. These should be sold at a very drab looking government building that educates as well as dispenses the drugs.

I think the Swiss did this with heroine with stunning results.

DR is too poor to see most of the harmful effects.

"DR is too poor to see most of the harmful effects."

Would you please expand upon this final sentence? This could be riveting.

 

[Caonabo]

The DR has quite a bit of drug use, many people in jail, and corruption at almost every level due to the profits that can be made from illegal drugs. This is all in the news almost every day.

The DR even bought two "Super Tucanos" at great expense to "catch" drug smugglers.

The RD purchased 8 Super Tucanos from Brazilian planemaker Embraer in 2009. The planes have been instrumental in the RD making numerous offshore seizures of product, but $3.5 million US dollars under the table, were instrumental in getting the deal finalized. That would be under the administration of former president Leonel Fernandez. Preliminary hearings in that bribery case were scheduled to have been held in October.

 

[Caonabo]

Although most people do not like to claim defeat, it is hard not to agree that the global War on Drugs has been a failed operation and strategy. Now in regards to RD, it would take more than one nation to admit this, change course, administer new procedures, so on and so forth, for things to change here. Yes, more than one. In actuality, it would take ALL, in order for the RD to cease being a mid-route transfer point. Not likely in our lifetimes.

 

[windeguy]

The RD purchased 8 Super Tucanos from Brazilian planemaker Embraer in 2009. The planes have been instrumental in the RD making numerous offshore seizures of product, but $3.5 million US dollars under the table, were instrumental in getting the deal finalized. That would be under the administration of former president Leonel Fernandez. Preliminary hearings in that bribery case were scheduled to have been held in October.

Are there any news articles about the drugs that the Super Tucanos discovered?

 

[Caonabo]

Correct you are. What could I have been thinking? For a minute, I failed to recollect where I was submitting a thought. Of course the Super Tucanos could not have made numerous offshore seizures by themselves. That is quite the impossible. I should have stated that Super Tucano patrols respond to radar hits, as received by radar stations monitored by ground or sea forces. They then fly out over the ocean to investigate, in response to those radar signals, and in communication with the RD navy and whichever other enforcement agency may be involved, if conditions warrant, then those agencies make the appropriate confiscations and apprehensions...again, if warranted. Hopefully, that clarifies things a bit.

 

[Caonabo]

Sidenote for the fact checkers: The RD Super Tucanos were initially purchased to discourage the tremendous amount of incoming small aircraft traffic that was previously making drops, as opposed to sea vessels.

 

[cobraboy]

Sidenote for the fact checkers: The RD Super Tucanos were initially purchased to discourage the tremendous amount of incoming small aircraft traffic that was previously making drops, as opposed to sea vessels.

The version bought were long-loiter birds with down-looking radar, so they can do both air and sea recon.

A few years ago we were staying in Hotel Las Salinas, and on a brilliant, cool morning woke to dogfight training between two Super Tucanos over the bay. What a great way to sip coffee!

 

[Caonabo]

The version bought were long-loiter birds with down-looking radar, so they can do both air and sea recon.

A few years ago we were staying in Hotel Las Salinas, and on a brilliant, cool morning woke to dogfight training between two Super Tucanos over the bay. What a great way to sip coffee!

Like a scene out of a movie. Brilliant.

 

[chico bill]

Here is video of a drug smuggler who crashed in the South East near San Rafael de Yuma.
[video=youtube;_weIYOdCFc4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_weIYOdCFc4[/video]

 

[Celt202]

Perhaps it could work for the regular Joe or even a guy who just
enjoys a proper cup of regular Joe in the morning. Here's an example
of what I mean.

From 2000-2005:
One kilo of cocaine (South Texas wholesale) = $16,000
One quarter (New Orleans retail) = $6,000 or roughly $666 per ounce
If four people buy one quarter (retail) per week = $24,000
Minus the $16,000 invested = a weekly profit of $8,000 USD
Lets not forget to multiply this weekly profit x2 whenever the
city host large events like Super Bowl, Jazz Fest, Final Four,
Essence, Voodoo Fest, Mardi Gras, ect.

Indeed... if you can stomach the level of violence associated with
this lifestyle then you've probably made (and spent) more money in
5 years than most of the people on this forum will see in a lifetime.
No special "intel" required, just nerves of steel.

Again, this is just an example I DO NOT RECOMMEND YOU TRY THIS AT HOME :cheeky:

[video=youtube_share;6i_XfgdNUUk]https://youtu.be/6i_XfgdNUUk[/video]

 

[Celt202]

The version bought were long-loiter birds with down-looking radar, so they can do both air and sea recon.

A few years ago we were staying in Hotel Las Salinas, and on a brilliant, cool morning woke to dogfight training between two Super Tucanos over the bay. What a great way to sip coffee!

Super Tucanos can do this:

[video=youtube_share;gHDZqUa0m1s]https://youtu.be/gHDZqUa0m1s[/video]

I wonder if the DR Super Tucanos have splashed a few smugglers' planes over water.

 

[windeguy]

Correct you are. What could I have been thinking? For a minute, I failed to recollect where I was submitting a thought. Of course the Super Tucanos could not have made numerous offshore seizures by themselves. That is quite the impossible. I should have stated that Super Tucano patrols respond to radar hits, as received by radar stations monitored by ground or sea forces. They then fly out over the ocean to investigate, in response to those radar signals, and in communication with the RD navy and whichever other enforcement agency may be involved, if conditions warrant, then those agencies make the appropriate confiscations and apprehensions...again, if warranted. Hopefully, that clarifies things a bit.

Perhaps there actually were seizures of illegal drugs that were made with the aid of the Super Tucanos. That really isn't the important part of this story. (It is funny that even the purchase of the planes was riddled with corruption. )

Nevertheless, all of that time, money and effort is wasted in the failed war. The drug flow is not stopping since the profits are so high because they are illegal. Prohibition never works.