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iluvdr said:
I don't care what anyone says ... I meat up with the guy last May in the DR.
It was my first time there for business. He help me setup shop and pointed me to a Bank manager and an attorney, both drop dead gorgeous and perfectly bilingual!
I was very impressed.
You were impressed by the fact that they were gorgeous? That they were fully bilingual? Or that they were both? As someone who taught advanced English to many bankers and attorneys in Santo Domingo, I can tell you there's alot of these. Doesn't make them more competent, though, or the best advisors for first-timers to the DR.

He also gave me some sound advice, such as to invest in the Central Bank CD's when the pesos was at 49. That's when I joined this forum to do some research.... almost everyone was predicting the apocalypse
for the pesos and was warning me to stay away from the Central Bank.
Today, six month later, I have almost doubled my investment and sure feel good when every 1st of the month I check my account on the net and I see how it has increase considerably! I don't mean to brag, but I am not talking nickels and dimes here... It took a lot of balls to go in, especially with every one advising me not to!
Actually, I am not sure I would have called that "sound" -- more like highly risky, like gambling. Back then there were many wondering if Hippo would default on the DR's debts, and whether the Central Bank would ever give investors back the money on those CD's once they came due....There was a reason all the rating agencies tanked their ratings for the DR in the waning months of the Hippo administration, you know.

Glad it worked out for you. But for someone not familiar with the DR and its risk environment, I'm not sure a prudent advisor should have suggested that investment for you. Could have sour just as easily.

But some how, John made a strong impression on me.

Yeah, but as I recall from another thread, you have been impressed by bellhops and prostitutes, so your endorsement does not exactly inspire confidence.

So what if the guys make a few bucks for his services, that don?t make him a scam artist.

1. I don't begrudge an investment advisor his fee if he does his job.
2. Some excellent advice is offered here on DR1 for free! Listen to people like Escott and Golo. They're trying to be helpful, insightful and don't have a commission riding on whether you believe them or not.
3. Never said he was a scam artist. What I said was that his sales pitch is misleading. He may be quite skilled & saavy. But what he pitches in his "interviews" (which always seem to be him interviewing himself), articles & website materials are misleading -- not always in what they say so much as the many things he implies and many, many things he conveniently omits. For example, a few years back he had many potential investors under the mistaken impression that the DR was a tax haven, that American citizens could park large sums of dollars in Dominican banks and the IRS would never find out about it...

He his not, for say, the most social person I have ever meat (he declined, politely, my invitation to super!) but he certainly knows his business and I would trust his opinion over a lot of some of the want to be specialist on this forum!

Ok, maybe some of his stuff is outdated, but most of it still makes sense!

You have to ask yourself, why is the outdated stuff still around? [Why, for example, does he show you a picture of a big nice house and ask where else can you buy something like this for only US$75,000???] If he makes so much money from savvy investing, and is so ethical, surely he can afford and would feel compelled to update his materials. Could it be because it would inconvenient to discuss current Dominican realities? Perhaps just like why his investment newsletter disappeared when the economy tanked in the DR?

I don't know the answer, but it sure makes one go "ummmmmm...." :rolleyes:

As for this stuff "still making sense," this is coming from someone who decides the DR's education system is doing great because his bellhop has a law degree? Who has admitted that he is new to the DR's realities? Alot of this stuff didn't make sense to people living & working the DR realities when it was published 4 yrs ago! For example, in the article you quoted he talks about how tough it is to get & keep a banking license in the DR, as if this is a guarantee of bank safety. Can you say Baninter? Banco Mercantil?

BTW, what is with you and the word "meat"? Second time you've made that mistake. Meat, you eat. When you encounter someone, it's "meet."

I am in no way related, accounted or even a friend to this guy. I simply did business with him. He did not come cheap, but heck, if I had to do it all over again I would, except a couple of million $$$ more!
Thank John ! I owed you one!

This, plus your prior post, ought to come with the disclaimer, "The prior has been brought to you by the unbiased folks at Ascot Advisory Services, or The Guardian Group, or whatever other identity they care to adopt these days."

One final word of advice: there is not yet a consumer protection law in the DR, no entity charged with protecting consumers, no entity supervising advertising claims, and no true investor protections. Schroeder can dance around those issues all he wants, but those are the plain facts you'd do well to bear in mind in future investing in the DR.
 

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You were impressed by the fact that they were gorgeous? That they were fully bilingual? Or that they were both? As someone who taught advanced English to many bankers and attorneys in Santo Domingo, I can tell you there's alot of these. Doesn't make them more competent, though, or the best advisors for first-timers to the DR..
I was very impressed by the way they conducted business, the looks and the fact that they spoke very good english was simply an added bonus!

Keith R said:
Actually, I am not sure I would have called that "sound" -- more like highly risky, like gambling. Back then there were many wondering if Hippo would default on the DR's debts, and whether the Central Bank would ever give investors back the money on those CD's once they came due....There was a reason all the rating agencies tanked their ratings for the DR in the waning months of the Hippo administration, you know.
Glad it worked out for you. But for someone not familiar with the DR and its risk environment, I'm not sure a prudent advisor should have suggested that investment for you. Could have sour just as easily.
Investements are always risky! John went thru my profile with me and also suggested some more conservative types of placements with me. He also discussed the upsets and the potential risk involve with the Central Bank CD's , but he seemed convinced that with the change of goverments and the political scene being was it was back then, that the investors would regain confidence and that they would certainly be a shift in the currency exchange.
He never gave me no guarantees, but is predictions ended up right on the money!

Keith R said:
Yeah, but as I recall from another thread, you have been impressed by bellhops and prostitutes, so your endorsement does not exactly inspire confidence.
Common Keith, you sound like a very smart guy, let's not mix apples and oranges. You are completely taking this out of context! As far as bell hops and prostitutes are concerns, I don't use them as financial indicators, simply as a small token of the every day realities in the DR. You could learn lot by listening to those people...If you had any idea who I really was, you would be more carefull about jumping to such conclusions and would maybe not make such a case of me trusting my flair!.

Keith R said:
1. I don't begrudge an investment advisor his fee if he does his job.
2. Some excellent advice is offered here on DR1 for free! Listen to people like Escott and Golo. They're trying to be helpful, insightful and don't have a commission riding on whether you believe them or not.
3. Never said he was a scam artist....
No doubt that people like Escot and Golo are very knowlegable and free on this forum, that is why I am here! But don't forget that sometimes you have to deal with all the B.S. of some of the forum participants who go beyond an opinion and improvise themself as specialist! Besides, I am not attempting to be Schroder's attorney here, hey the man gave some advise and it work out great for me! That's all I wanted to say...

Keith R said:
You have to ask yourself, why is the outdated stuff still around? [Why, for example, does he show you a picture of a big nice house and ask where else can you buy something like this for only US$75,000???] If he makes so much money from savvy investing, and is so ethical, surely he can afford and would feel compelled to update his materials. Could it be because it would inconvenient to discuss current Dominican realities? Perhaps just like why his investment newsletter disappeared when the economy tanked in the DR?
His first advise to me, was, if you want to leave in Dominican as an expat, no matter how much money you have: Stay low key! do not over expose or bring attention to yourself. I must admit that his office was in his place of residence and rather modest...

Keith R said:
As for this stuff "still making sense," this is coming from someone who decides the DR's education system is doing great because his bellhop has a law degree? Who has admitted that he is new to the DR's realities? Alot of this stuff didn't make sense to people living & working the DR realities when it was published 4 yrs ago! For example, in the article you quoted he talks about how tough it is to get & keep a banking license in the DR, as if this is a guarantee of bank safety. Can you say Baninter? Banco Mercantil?
He did discuss Banister with me, off course; we all know the realities of that: corruption, fraud etc... The Central Bank is not a commercial bank but the actual government run bank. The collapse of the Central Bank would be the someting close to the apocalypse in the DR. and even in today's reality seemed quite unrealistic!

Keith R said:
BTW, what is with you and the word "meat"? Second time you've made that mistake. Meat, you eat. When you encounter someone, it's "meet."
Excuse my french! Your tutoring is welcome, however I though this was a forum not a spelling bee...

Keith R said:
This, plus your prior post, ought to come with the disclaimer, "The prior has been brought to you by the unbiased folks at Ascot Advisory Services, or The Guardian Group, or whatever other identity they care to adopt these days."
One final word of advice: there is not yet a consumer protection law in the DR, no entity charged with protecting consumers, no entity supervising advertising claims, and no true investor protections. Schroeder can dance around those issues all he wants, but those are the plain facts you'd do well to bear in mind in future investing in the DR.
I rest my case, every one is entitled to there opinion! as my father always says << don't blame the messenger for the message.>> and in the honorable words of Tupac Shakor : "Don't hate the player! hate the game..."
 

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Gimabella: I have not seen your picture so when I said that you would be more attractive with a good MBA, I was referring to your possibility of being hired quickly.

Although I have been associated very formally, with the PUCMM for forty years, and I havve known APEC since its creation, I am not sure that you want to do your MBA there. At either one. Main reason is library access and depth of preparation of the faculty. PUCMM works extremely hard at making their program as solid as possible, but....

Actually, both programs are excellent for just one thing: Networking.

If you can do your degree in the States, as we used to say, "even at NYU", you will have a tremendous leg up on the competition.

You have a sense of humor, too. That is good. Your little play on poor use of Spanish was funny. Ocea, megut?!

HB:D


Hey Billy

ive read about the PUCMM service management MS degree and it comes directly from Rochester NY jsut that they use the facilites of PUCMM but once your done the degree comes straight from RIT, its also a lot cheaper compared to the main campus and you finish in a less amount of time, which is y i have considered the PCMM

APEC,,i put APEC aside when i found out about this degree at PUCMM...

UNIBE has one similar aswell but its an MBA in Int.Business from FIU at Florida, its also alot cheaper, degree comes striaght form FIU..

so i dont know i guess ihave to give it some thinking.........

but i know an MBA will defintly benefit me..where i should go and pursue it is the the problem

are you a professor?
veremos aver que sucede...
 

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iluvdr said:
I was very impressed by the way they conducted business, the looks and the fact that they spoke very good english was simply an added bonus!


Investements are always risky! John went thru my profile with me and also suggested some more conservative types of placements with me. He also discussed the upsets and the potential risk involve with the Central Bank CD's , but he seemed convinced that with the change of goverments and the political scene being was it was back then, that the investors would regain confidence and that they would certainly be a shift in the currency exchange.
He never gave me no guarantees, but is predictions ended up right on the money!

Glad to hear that he did not give or imply any guarantees. And glad it worked out. But as I said before, whether you wish to believe it or not, there was significant risk it could have gone sour.


Common Keith, you sound like a very smart guy, let's not mix apples and oranges. You are completely taking this out of context! As far as bell hops and prostitutes are concerns, I don't use them as financial indicators, simply as a small token of the every day realities in the DR.

Completely out of context? Am I? In the other thread, just before you urged everyone to go out and buy every scrap of Dominican real estate they could get their hands on and every peso, you backed up your case to doing so as follows:

First of all the DR is emerging as a leader among the Caribbean nations in social, economical and political growth.
Last week I went down there and the bell boy carrying my luggage gave me his business card, he had recently graduated from law school and was hoping to land a job in law firm soon. A prostitute, I meet at the casino showed me her student credentials as she was in her third year in psychology.
What this all means to me is that the education standard is improving.
The DR with all it's problems is still one of the most stable political countries in Central America. Criminality is at an all time low.

BTW, I could start a whole new thread on how you may be mis-interpreting the education thing, and this statement "criminality is at an all time low" statement made alot of DR1ers fall out of their chairs. Anyone living there any length of time, or has relatives & friends there, knows this is categorically wrong.

You could learn lot by listening to those people...

Well, those that know me know I listen and converse with people from all walks wherever I go, most particularly the DR. Probably the writer in me. Anyhow, I have been going to the DR for 18 yrs, lived there 4, have friends and family in the DR from the very poor to the opposite end of the spectrum, in most professions (can't think of a prostitute among them, though, I must say).

Another point about listening. Wasn't it you who just proclaimed "I don't care what anybody says..."?

If you had any idea who I really was, you would be more carefull about jumping to such conclusions and would maybe not make such a case of me trusting my flair!.

Doesn't matter to me "who you really are." You could be Donald Trump and I'd still tell you the same things I have said and are saying now. And as for jumping to conclusions, your posts suggest you're pretty good at that yourself.

No doubt that people like Escot and Golo are very knowlegable and free on this forum, that is why I am here! But don't forget that sometimes you have to deal with all the B.S. of some of the forum participants who go beyond an opinion and improvise themself as specialist! Besides, I am not attempting to be Schroder's attorney here, hey the man gave some advise and it work out great for me! That's all I wanted to say...

Fair enough.

His first advise to me, was, if you want to leave in Dominican as an expat, no matter how much money you have: Stay low key! do not over expose or bring attention to yourself. I must admit that his office was in his place of residence and rather modest...

What on earth does this have to do with being ethical and conscientious about posting up-to-date and accurate information about the product you're trying to sell? (which was the point you're supposedly replying to)


He did discuss Banister with me, off course; we all know the realities of that: corruption, fraud etc... The Central Bank is not a commercial bank but the actual government run bank. The collapse of the Central Bank would be the someting close to the apocalypse in the DR. and even in today's reality seemed quite unrealistic!

I know all about the Central Bank. I have my degrees too and I work in international affairs. I had relatives that worked in the DR's Central Bank. My wife used to prepare audit reports to submit to it on behalf of a major bank.

Central Banks are not sancrosant just because they are CBs. There are plenty of examples in the Third World where that kind of thinking has proven dangerous. However, I always used to think that raiding the Central Bank would never be done in the DR. But then Hippo came along and used the CB in a very politicized manner and had many people thinking he wouldn't be above letting it fall. If you had been following the Dominican news at the time, you would have wondered too...

I rest my case, every one is entitled to there opinion! as my father always says << don't blame the messenger for the message.>> and in the honorable words of Tupac Shakor : "Don't hate the player! hate the game..."

If the messenger is promoting misleading material, then I fault the messenger for it as well, I don't care who he is. If he's/she's not being careful, or doesn't care enough to check or warn that the info is skewed, then he/she is part of the problem.

When you're talking people's money, their nest egg, it's not a "game." It's serious. Getting back to the original purpose of this thread, I think it's wholly inappropriate to suggest that Gimabella follow the type of risky investing you advocated. And your claim that parking your money in Dominican banks is safer than doing so in US banks is frankly hogwash and I wouldn't want Gima or anyone else to get mislead by it. I think Larry, HB and Deelt gave far more sensible advice.
 

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You have gone to far this time !

Keith R said:
When you're talking people's money, their nest egg, it's not a "game." It's serious. Getting back to the original purpose of this thread, I think it's wholly inappropriate to suggest that Gimabella follow the type of risky investing you advocated. And your claim that parking your money in Dominican banks is safer than doing so in US banks is frankly hogwash and I wouldn't want Gima or anyone else to get mislead by it. I think Larry, HB and Deelt gave far more sensible advice.

O.K. professor Keith , you have gone far enough!
I will spare you the hassle of responding to your other comments by compassion for Gima who initiated this trend, hopelessly seeking advice,
I would hate to turn this into a personal battlefield...
However on that last comment, you definitely out did yourself by glorifying Larry, HB and Deelt's opinions to better burry mine. I would ask you to please keep other members of this forum out of this; I understand how desperate you are to get backup since you have probably realized that you have barked at the wrong three!

Now lets get serious professor, from what I gathered from your post you are some sort of an educator, part time writer who lives off of his wife (sorry if I am wrong, I don't mean to offend you, but I will! )

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As someone who taught advanced English to many bankers and attorneys in Santo Domingo, I can tell you there's a lot off these...

Well, those that know me know I listen and converse with people from all walks wherever I go, most particularly the DR. Probably the writer in me....

I had relatives that worked in the DR's Central Bank. My wife used to prepare audit reports to submit to it on behalf of a major bank.....

Now let me tell you about myself... in 1984, I won the 1st prize from the Montreal Chamber Of Commerce for the most likely to succeed business person of the year! At 19 years old my company was listed on the AIM stock exchange and I was earning over 7 digits a year. By the age of 25, I was completely bankrupt! that right, you don't know success until you failed!
Today I own several companies including a Movie Production, a Telecom company and a software development firm. That may not qualify me as an expert, but it sure as hell beats your resume!!! I have tried to show respect for your opinions, but you have shown no respect towards mine, maybe because a lot of people fill strong and powerful when there anonymous...
You may think that I am full of B.S. but I don't need to hide behind this forum, I would be happy to back up every thing I have just said and list my credentials.
As for uneducated, because of a few spelling mistakes...
" J'aimerais bien te voir ?crire en fran?ais! "
Finally, in the words of the great Albert Einstein: " I know only one thing for sure: That I know nothing! ?.
Gim, if you read this post please be careful about following my advice, but be double careful about following the professors advice! If he was so good, he would not be teaching, but practicing...

?Some of us see things as they are and say why? Some of us see things as they should be and say why not?! "
 
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iluvdr said:
O.K. professor Keith , you have gone far enough!
I will spare you the hassle of responding to your other comments by compassion for Gima who initiated this trend, hopelessly seeking advice,
I would hate to turn this into a personal battlefield...
However on that last comment, you definitely out did yourself by glorifying Larry, HB and Deelt's opinions to better burry mine. I would ask you to please keep other members of this forum out of this; I understand how desperate you are to get backup since you have probably realized that you have barked at the wrong three!

Now lets get serious professor, from what I gathered from your post you are some sort of an educator, part time writer who lives off of his wife (sorry if I am wrong, I don't mean to offend you, but I will! )



Now let me tell you about myself... in 1984, I won the 1st prize from the Montreal Chamber Of Commerce for the most probable to succeed business person of the year! At 19 years old my company was listed on the AIM stock exchange and I was earning over 7 digits a year. By the age of 25, I was completely bankrupt! that right, you don't know success until you failed!
Today I own several companies including a Movie Production, a Telecom company and a software development firm. That may not qualify me as an expert, but it sure as hell beats your resume!!! I have tried to show respect for your opinions, but you have shown no respect towards mine, maybe because a lot of people fill strong and powerful when there anonymous...
You may think that I am full of B.S. but I don't need to hide behind this forum, I would be happy to back up every thing I have just said and list my credentials.
As for uneducated, because of a few spelling mistakes...
" J'aimerais bien te voir ?crire en fran?ais, esp?ce de con! "
Finally, in the words of the great Albert Einstein: " I know only one thing for sure: That I know nothing! ?.
Gim, if you read this post please be careful about following my advice, but be double careful about following the professors advice! If he was so good, he would not be teaching, but practicing...

?Some of us see things as they are and say why? Some of us see things as they should be and say why not?! "

Interesting that you should quote Bobby Kennedy's quote regarding Civil rights while trying to make your argument regarding economics????

And talking about "Barking at the wrong tree," I have read most of Ketih's posts, you are very outclased with your self indulged thoughts of worth

Please do back up your words with your CV, I'm sure Keith will post his and we all can get a good laugh at your less than comparable hostory

And no, I am surely not one of his "friends" or followers, just some fool who bothers to read and comprehend

BTW, what ever happened to your "High class strip club" in The DR?
 
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Texasfool said:
Interesting that you should quote Bobby Kennedy's quote regarding Civil rights while trying to make your argument regarding economics????

Hey Tex, are you guys ganging up against me or what ?!
Alright bring it on! Any one else out there want a piece of me?!
Tex, I hope the professor does not take this to seriously...
Your sense of humor certainly put a smile on my face or more like a green!
P.M. me your personnal email and will be glad to email you my CV with referrences... The joke might turn out to be on you! ha ha ha...
 

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O.K. professor Keith , you have gone far enough!

I don't deserve the title "professor," because I have not taught in a classroom since 1997. You sound like you intend the title to be a put-down, but I don't regard it that way. I think educators should be respected. Most are doing it for love and dedication to their students -- certainly not for the money, as it is usually sorely lacking.

I will spare you the hassle of responding to your other comments by compassion for Gima who initiated this trend, hopelessly seeking advice,
I would hate to turn this into a personal battlefield...
However on that last comment, you definitely out did yourself by glorifying Larry, HB and Deelt's opinions to better burry mine. I would ask you to please keep other members of this forum out of this; I understand how desperate you are to get backup since you have probably realized that you have barked at the wrong three!

I don't bark, and certainly wouldn't bark at those three. LOL I don't bark at trees either! ;)

I did not mention those three to "glorify" their opinions or "bury" yours. I was just saying that, in Gimabella's case, I think their advice had been more sensible. You're taking this way too personally...

I am also not "desparate to get back-up" from anyone. I can handle myself in a discussion or debate or argument, thank you very much. But they or anyone else on this message board are quite free to chime in any time with any opinion they wish. You or I can't order them to stay out. Afraid perhaps that they might not back you up?

Now lets get serious professor, from what I gathered from your post you are some sort of an educator, part time writer who lives off of his wife (sorry if I am wrong, I don't mean to offend you, but I will! )

Hmmmm, who was it that was advising not to jump to conclusions? There are so many misconceptions in that one sentence, I don't know where to start. As I stated before, I am not a professor. Have not taught in a classroom since 1997. In fact, if you re-read my post, you should note that I used the past tense. I am therefore not really an educator, not in the traditional sense as I understand the word. I am not a part-time writer, I write/analyze/consult full-time for a living, and have consistently since 1981.

The part about living off my wife was obviously intended to insult. sigh. Kinda petty, that. Well, my wife and I are both professionals and have been for a long time. I have never "just lived off my wife," anymore than she just "lived off me" (except possibly during the time she took off work during her very difficult pregnancy and the early months after the twins were born). We both earn roughly the same income. Partners in every sense of the word.

Now let me tell you about myself... in 1984, I won the 1st prize from the Montreal Chamber Of Commerce for the most likely to succeed business person of the year! At 19 years old my company was listed on the AIM stock exchange and I was earning over 7 digits a year. By the age of 25, I was completely bankrupt! that right, you don't know success until you failed!
Today I own several companies including a Movie Production, a Telecom company and a software development firm. That may not qualify me as an expert, but it sure as hell beats your resume!!!

How do you know? You say that you do not know my resum?, but then proceed to insist that you can "beat" it. And "beat" it in what sense? Being a successful businessman does not make you all-knowing, above question, above making mistakes. You're still human, as am I.

As I said before, I don't care who you are. If you were Donald Trump or Bill Gates, I would still say what I said before. The advice in Gimabella's case, in my own opinion, was not appropriate. And citing the out-of-date and misleading sales material was a mistake. Let me ask you, since you pride yourself on being a businessman whose company was listed on the stock exchange. What would you think of a company that tried to sell you stock based on a four-year old prospectus full of errors and misleading statements? That's what Ascot is doing with the stuff it posts on the web.

I have tried to show respect for your opinions, but you have shown no respect towards mine, maybe because a lot of people fill strong and powerful when there anonymous...

You may think that I am full of B.S. but I don't need to hide behind this forum, I would be happy to back up every thing I have just said and list my credentials.

You should back up your points with sound arguments and facts. Simply waving your credentials around does not weaken any of my prior points.

I am anything but anonymous on this forum, and have never hid behind it. I have been on here since June 1998, and most participants on here any length of time know tons about me. My name is out there for all to see, unlike yours. Use the search function for my name, you'll find plenty of posts where I discuss my history & perspectives. Or check out my introductory thread to the DR1 Environment Forum, which I moderate, where I intro myself with a little background. Or go check my bio on my website, which is there for anyone anywhere in the world to read....

As for uneducated, because of a few spelling mistakes...

I never once called you uneducated. Re-read my posts.

" J'aimerais bien te voir ?crire en fran?ais! "

Yeah, me too! I can only read it (somewhat) so far, can't really speak it or write it worth a darn. French is my next language; have always wanted to learn it. Right now I'm only fluent in English, Spanish and Portuguese.

Finally, in the words of the great Albert Einstein: " I know only one thing for sure: That I know nothing! ?.

Gim, if you read this post please be careful about following my advice, but be double careful about following the professors advice! If he was so good, he would not be teaching, but practicing...

Ah, again with the erroneous suppositions! On behalf of the teachers out there, just because they're teaching does not mean that they are not good or knowledgeable. Many of them do it because they're passionate about teaching and the subject they teach. For a man who professes to value education as a socioeconomic indicator, I can't understand this constant desire of yours to put down educators....

Actually, I did not offer my own advice. I just opined about whose advice seemed to fit Gimabella's needs best.
 
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I write as someone who lived through the Hippo bank scare, here in the DR. On a day I will never forget last February I went round all the banks in which I had over $1000 US & withdrew it. I fully expected a 'nasty' to happen & I don't panic easily. The accounts I left open had $1000 or less & I was prepared to lose that if a nasty happened. Sure, I have money here, but it isn't in banks.
Now comes the interesting part.............I have YET to replace that money in banks. Why? I'm waiting to see what happens. When I have fully regained confidence I will replace that money. But that time, for me, has not yet arrived. For now, it will stay where it is, either here but not in a bank, or offshore in banks.
I don't know, Keith, if the person you have been debating with actually lives in the DR & gets a 'feel' for what is going on. You go back a long way in the DR, I have been here 12 years fulltime. Maybe it is different when one has a historical perspective? But, me? I'm still waiting & watching & learning & other than distributing Christmas presents to Bank staff I have known many years, I am staying away from them.
 

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I write as someone who lived through the Hippo bank scare, here in the DR. On a day I will never forget last February I went round all the banks in which I had over $1000 US & withdrew it. I fully expected a 'nasty' to happen & I don't panic easily. The accounts I left open had $1000 or less & I was prepared to lose that if a nasty happened. Sure, I have money here, but it isn't in banks.
Now comes the interesting part.............I have YET to replace that money in banks. Why? I'm waiting to see what happens. When I have fully regained confidence I will replace that money. But that time, for me, has not yet arrived. For now, it will stay where it is, either here but not in a bank, or offshore in banks.
I don't know, Keith, if the person you have been debating with actually lives in the DR & gets a 'feel' for what is going on. You go back a long way in the DR, I have been here 12 years fulltime. Maybe it is different when one has a historical perspective? But, me? I'm still waiting & watching & learning & other than distributing Christmas presents to Bank staff I have known many years, I am staying away from them.


Yeah, thanks for your input, Gin. This puts it more concretely than I did. Many many people -- not just expats, but reasonable and level-headed Dominicans like my friends and family -- were scared about the banking system earlier this year, and some about the CB. Even Golo, who at first advocated the CB CDs, got anxious about them. Check the posts archived on DR1, people, they'll bear this out. So anyone claiming that money is safer in the DR banking system than in the US either has been misled, does not know well the Dominican banking system, or is misleading. In any case, it would be a disservice to DR1 readers to let a statement like that stand unchallenged.
 

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I don't deserve the title "professor," because I have not taught in a classroom since 1997. You sound like you intend the title to be a put-down, but I don't regard it that way. I think educators should be respected. Most are doing it for love and dedication to their students -- certainly not for the money, as it is usually sorely lacking..

PLEASE EXCEPT MY SINCERE APOLOGIES TO BOTH YOU AND ALL THE EDUCATORS OUT THERE IF I OFFENDED ANYONE BY MY CARELESS USE OF THE TITLE " PROFESSOR ". MY MOTHER WAS A FRENCH TEACHER AND WOULD BE TURNING IN HER GRAVE IF SHE FELT THAT I WAS PUTTING DOWN SUCH A NOBLE PROFESSION.



Keith R said:
I don't bark, and certainly wouldn't bark at those three. LOL I don't bark at trees either! ;)

I did not mention those three to "glorify" their opinions or "bury" yours. I was just saying that, in Gimabella's case, I think their advice had been more sensible. You're taking this way too personally...

I am also not "desparate to get back-up" from anyone. I can handle myself in a discussion or debate or argument, thank you very much. But they or anyone else on this message board are quite free to chime in any time with any opinion they wish. You or I can't order them to stay out. Afraid perhaps that they might not back you up?.

You clearly understand that "barking at the wrong tree" is a metaphor and should not be taken literally. Off course during this debate you have chosen to play with my words and present them in or out of context witch ever suit your arguments best! That?s fine as you see we can both play that game!
Let?s get back to Gambella, now Keith, is this really about her? Or is this more about ego? Now that I understand better where you?re coming from, Schroder and yourself seem to have more in common (or differences) then I initially knew... I have been doing some investigating Mr. Ripley, and I think it's only fare to this discussion board that you bring the real issues out in the open?!
With your background, and your position on this forum no one would dare contradict your opinions, by fear of being kick out! At least I have more respect for the silent ones then the kiss a@!# that try to support your position but have no substance in there claims. As for myself, I am not running any campaign here and not trying to be popular. I come here to educate myself to better conquer new challenges. Feel free to disagree with me, but don't trash my opinions!



Keith R said:
Hmmmm, who was it that was advising not to jump to conclusions? There are so many misconceptions in that one sentence, I don't know where to start. As I stated before, I am not a professor. Have not taught in a classroom since 1997. In fact, if you re-read my post, you should note that I used the past tense. I am therefore not really an educator, not in the traditional sense as I understand the word. I am not a part-time writer, I write/analyze/consult full-time for a living, and have consistently since 1981.

The part about living off my wife was obviously intended to insult. sigh. Kinda petty, that. Well, my wife and I are both professionals and have been for a long time. I have never "just lived off my wife," anymore than she just "lived off me" (except possibly during the time she took off work during her very difficult pregnancy and the early months after the twins were born). We both earn roughly the same income. Partners in every sense of the word.

You stand correct in all the above and once again my sincere apologies to this board, yourself and your wife for the statement that I made earlier. I have learned that a man with caracter should not be afraid to admit when he is wrong !



Now just for the record, I totally agree that CD's at the Central Bank represent a potential risk, but what investment doesn't?
The rewards far out weight the risk (relax... once again this is only my opinion!).If this where a mature person with a family to support and holding on to there kids college funds, I would be more careful in recommending this form of investment. In Gambella's case, she is a young girl, with little or no responsibilities, living at home. I sincerely believe she is the perfect candidate for this kind of risk ... If the pesos remains stable, and the economy continues to growth she can double her savings in less then 3 years! If things go in the other direction she may lose a substantial part of her capital. If the peso continues it's ascension she may triple or even quadruple her investment in a relatively short term. The real threat here is how the pesos will react in the next years or month. No one can seriously predict that today... As for the horror scene of the Central Bank going under
And her losing all her capital, well she stands the same chance of dying (God forbid) in a plane crash!
I made my first million when I was only 19! Why? Cause I wasn't afraid to take chances. Today, things would have been different! That's why this is the best time for her to make it!
Gam, don't be afraid to get your feet wet, an if you fall, get back on your feet and try again. I have traveled the world looking for secure high yield investments and believe me this is the best I have found so far according to my personal risk/reward meter! Each person as there own degree of comfort, if it stop you from sleeping at night don't do it! If you dare to get on the roller coaster, you might just end up enjoying the ride...
 

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iluvdr said:
PLEASE EXCEPT MY SINCERE APOLOGIES TO BOTH YOU AND ALL THE EDUCATORS OUT THERE IF I OFFENDED ANYONE BY MY CARELESS USE OF THE TITLE " PROFESSOR ". MY MOTHER WAS A FRENCH TEACHER AND WOULD BE TURNING IN HER GRAVE IF SHE FELT THAT I WAS PUTTING DOWN SUCH A NOBLE PROFESSION.
Thank you.

Let?s get back to Gambella, now Keith, is this really about her?
Sigh. Yes. It's not about you, me or Schroder. It's about what is appropriate advice for Gimabella and potential investors just like her, and on what assumptions , expressed explicitly, that advice is based upon.

Or is this more about ego? Now that I understand better where you?re coming from, Schroder and yourself seem to have more in common (or differences) then I initially knew...
???? Not sure what this means.

I have been doing some investigating Mr. Ripley, and I think it's only fare to this discussion board that you bring the real issues out in the open?!
"Real" issues? The only real issue is, and continues to be as stated above: "what is appropriate advice for Gimabella and potential investors just like her, and on what assumptions , expressed explicitly, that advice is based upon."

With your background, and your position on this forum no one would dare contradict your opinions, by fear of being kick out! At least I have more respect for the silent ones then the kiss a@!# that try to support your position but have no substance in there claims.
Oh, give me a break! I may be a moderator, but there is no power in that outside of my own Forum, and even there, anyone who has read it can tell you I use what little power I have in that one forum sparingly.

And c'mon, enough with the conspiracy theory! Nobody tries to kiss my a@s and people have disagreed with me before (just ask Escott, Jim Hinsch, Aamet to name just three) and will again, and to my knowledge no one in my six years of participation on DR1 has ever been kicked off DR1 because they disagreed with me.

You stand correct in all the above and once again my sincere apologies to this board, yourself and your wife for the statement that I made earlier. I have learned that a man with caracter should not be afraid to admit when he is wrong !
Thank you. And my respect for you did just go up alot. BTW, check my past posts and you'll find that I tend to admit when I err as well. For example, very recently I confidently swore that Duverge was the capital of Independencia province, and Porfirio Rubioso proved me wrong -- check my immediate response. http://dr1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=253964#post253964

Now just for the record, I totally agree that CD's at the Central Bank represent a potential risk, but what investment doesn't?
The rewards far out weight the risk (relax... once again this is only my opinion!).If this where a mature person with a family to support and holding on to there kids college funds, I would be more careful in recommending this form of investment. In Gambella's case, she is a young girl, with little or no responsibilities, living at home. I sincerely believe she is the perfect candidate for this kind of risk ... If the pesos remains stable, and the economy continues to growth she can double her savings in less then 3 years! If things go in the other direction she may lose a substantial part of her capital. If the peso continues it's ascension she may triple or even quadruple her investment in a relatively short term. The real threat here is how the pesos will react in the next years or month. No one can seriously predict that today... As for the horror scene of the Central Bank going under
And her losing all her capital, well she stands the same chance of dying (God forbid) in a plane crash!
I made my first million when I was only 19! Why? Cause I wasn't afraid to take chances. Today, things would have been different! That's why this is the best time for her to make it!
Gam, don't be afraid to get your feet wet, an if you fall, get back on your feet and try again. I have traveled the world looking for secure high yield investments and believe me this is the best I have found so far according to my personal risk/reward meter! Each person as there own degree of comfort, if it stop you from sleeping at night don't do it! If you dare to get on the roller coaster, you might just end up enjoying the ride...

Now, that's what you should have said the first time!!!! Thank you. Well said. You did discuss how you see risk, what specifically led you to consider this investment and why Gimabella should consider your advice. I may not agree that she should take a similar risk profile, but that's not my call, it's hers. As far as I am concerned, my part in this discussion need not go further.
 
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Thank you.
As far as I am concerned, my part in this discussion need not go further.


Same here Keith! I am catching a flight this morning to paradise (DR) and will be off this forum for now. By the way, you turned out to be quite gentlemen and thought everyone including myself a very important lesson here:
?That it's OK to agree to disagree!" (I also improved my spelling....).
We will probably be up against each other in the near future since we don't seem to necessarily share the same vues. Particularly on passive and aggressive investments strategies...
I guess I got a bit a head of myself and put my shoe in my mouth when I talked about your ?resume "...
I went thru your site, and I understand better now why your opinion should not be disregarded.
To Gam, Sayonara baby... thanks for giving me the opportunity to share my opinions and take on this heated debate. There was, by my judgment, no winners or losers, simply thinkers trying to make sense out of realities that seems to have none!
Good Luck! I got your number and will be in touch...
 

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Hey Tex, are you guys ganging up against me or what ?!
Alright bring it on! Any one else out there want a piece of me?!
Tex, I hope the professor does not take this to seriously...
Your sense of humor certainly put a smile on my face or more like a green!
P.M. me your personnal email and will be glad to email you my CV with referrences... The joke might turn out to be on you! ha ha ha...

I have no idea who "KeithR" is with the exception of that which his posts convey

"Guys," pretty bold assumption you make there :)

I really don't care to divulge my personal email to you. You offered to provide your "credentials" to everyone on this forum to somehow "prove" you intelligence? I simply took you up on your offer, post away and maybe I will feel the need to post an apology

I can't find any reference to the "Montreal Chamber of commerce" most probable to succeed, maybe you could proved a link to that source along with the symbol to your company (Past or present, it would still be researchable)

You are taking all of this personal; don't. I recall when you started posting, asking about establishing a high class strip club. You were denounced, ridiculed and told you were foolish, I disagree. I think you may have been on to something and applaud you desire to start a business in the Dominican Republic

In this instance, Ascot Advisory has been the subject of much debate, and they (Ascott) have consistently failed to back up, produce or show any type of evidence of their success

Please remember that if you followed Ascotts advice of that 2000 dated article,.you likely would be completely broke by now

He (Schroder) constantly touts himself (Didn't you wonder just who his supposed interview was with?) as a "financial advisor," but I am quite confident if you search his country or origin, he is either no registered or has a "problem" with his history. He is quite succinctly a "snake oil salesman"

I feel you have done a terrible dis service by trying to convince the original poster, or anyone for that matter, that the DR banking system is as safe as the US

Since the great Depression, can you point out an instance where anyone in the US has lost their money in a FDIC insured bank?

My reference to "barking at the tree' was a joke, the common English expression is "Barking up the wrong tree" not "At the tree"

It would seem English is definitely not your first language, but I know only English so I defer to your knowledge of languages

This is only a forum, don't make it personal

Again, this is simply my opinion based on my interpretation of posted information, it doesn't express the opinions of any others.
 

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Just because Gimabella is young & doesn't have a family to support doesn't make her more suitable for an investment carrying more risk. I think, if I recall correctly, she said she worked from the age of 14 & saved that money. I would imagine it is therefore very important to her. My advice would be to go low risk with that money. If she wants to go high risk with anything, maybe it should be her inheritance, which was a gift, rather than something she worked for?
And kudos to you, Gimabella, for doing exactly what you did, working AND saving from an early age, AND being determined to continue with your education..........my guess is you have a very bright future!
 

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appears to have been highjacked!!!!

Gimabella, what questions are unanswered for you? YOu might want to start a new thread to get back on track. These others are very busy having their own discussions.

As for work here, maybe I can offer some info or help. Start a new thread to talk about the value of an MBA and work opportunities. Just my suggestion. YOur original thread was interesting but has gotten off track totally.
 

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Response by Ascot services to Keith...

Dear Gam, I don't mean to hijack your post, but Mr. Schroder sent me an interesting reply and I wich to share it with this board, since the whole discusion initiated here. I am sure you will forgive me, I also feel that you could learn alot from this discussion:

Dear iluvdr,

Thank you for the information regarding the comments from the DR1 message board. You are correct in that I do not visit message boards often if ever, and nor do I usually bother to post replies to any comments because I simply do not have the spare time to do so. In addition, I often find that message boards turn into gossip pages or often become diverted into other topics, which I am not inclined to spend time on (where to find girls, what is the price of beer in Sosua, etc., etc.) This is not meant to come off as a form of arrogance by the way, just a fact, or to say the reality of how and where my time is best applied. Better said, my main priorities are my clients and my family, and the time I need to devote to both accordingly. Message board mongering is not high on my list of things to do.

DR1 does provide an interesting and perhaps valuable forum and I do know that many people do subscribe to it. However, I also find much of the information to be one sided or lacking in deeper insight, which is a problem that I find in general in terms of what is reported in the North American media also with respect to the Dominican Republic. On an almost regular basis, I get swamped with telephone calls from clients after some condensed news article is posted on the DR1 newsletter. Posting news is important, but equally important is telling the entire story (both negative and positive). In addition, just as you would probably not ask your plumber for advice regarding your health (a qualified doctor is probably someone you should ask), taking banking or investment advice from a guy drinking beer in a tiki bar in Sosua (who probably is an absolute expert regarding all things related to alcohol, but not much else) is not a good idea either.

With this said, I think it important to know who exactly is posting comments or more correctly, who exactly knows what they are talking about and who does not. There are a large number of people that either have lived in the Dominican Republic, or still do, which in their own mind makes them experts on everything. Many things posted are personal opinion, gossip heard on the street or innuendo rather than concrete fact (or rather than a deeper understanding of events and other issues not so obvious in the public domain).

In any event, I have posted some comments of my own here and you are more than welcome to reprint it where you wish. Also, please allow me to say I believe in free speech and do think everyone is more than welcome and entitled to his or her own opinion. But, one should be cautioned to understand the difference between personal opinion and concrete fact (backed up by a detailed explanation).

Regarding the post from this gentleman, Mr. Keith R:


Keith R said:
Never said he was a scam artist. What I said was that his sales pitch is misleading. He may be quite skilled & saavy. But what he pitches in his "interviews" (which always seem to be him interviewing himself), articles & website materials are misleading -- not always in what they say so much as the many things he implies and many, many things he conveniently omits. For example, a few years back he had many potential investors under the mistaken impression that the DR was a tax haven, that American citizens could park large sums of dollars in Dominican banks and the IRS would never find out about it....

My Reply: In terms of comments I have made in the past regarding banking in the Dominican Republic, it is very TRUE that the Dominican Republic has some attributes of a tax haven, specifically tax-free banking (both for local citizens and foreigners alike). In any country whereby local banking deposits are not taxed by the local government, such account information is usually not reported to the local government because it does not have to be (the only reason a banking institution prepares a report file to the local government is usually for tax calculation purposes). I had one client that asked a President of a local bank some time ago: I want to know if you report to the alphabets? The Alphabets, asked the bank president? Yes, you know, the IRS, the FBI, the SEC, the TVA, the NSA, etc. The bank president replied, we do not report anything to our own government, why in the world would we report anything to any other government? Of course the same is true regarding Panama and even Sweden, a country with one of the highest tax regimes in place for its own citizens (in the case of bank accounts owned by foreigners). Sweden is a tax-haven for non Swedes in terms of banking (many other countries are as well) just as the US is a tax haven for non Americans with regards to capital gains from brokerage account trades. Mr. Keith R. does not understand this, but then again he seems not to understand a number of things.

Why do foreigners invest or put money in local Dominican Banks? Do they do it because they like the Dominican people? Do they do it because they are in love with the very pretty bilingual account officer at the bank? I think they do it because bank account interest is tax-free and all the other related issues that go with it. I would say they also do it because in the past, interest for US Dollar deposits was much higher than what can be found elsewhere, but of course today (December 2004) that is not the case in terms of interest rates for some specific reasons, which I have explained in recent issues of our newsletter. In addition, there are pressures from the IMF and the US government in general to take away some of these favorable conditions, but that of course is nothing new.

In general, intelligent investors place their money in other jurisdictions for a number of reasons. One goal of course is to gain higher interest, if possible. The other is for asset protection purposes. I will not take up space here to elaborate about what this means because either this applies to you, or it does not. Either you have money you want to protect for one reason or another, or you do not.

In addition, it is very important to note that while there may be some people with, shall we say, less than honorable motives in terms of why and where they conduct their banking affairs, this is not my experience with the larger majority of people I have come in contact with. Most are honest, hard working people that are looking for certain benefits. Read into that what you may or may not. If you think all foreigners that invest abroad are either tax dodgers or criminals, then that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. However, that is not my experience and in addition, in terms of our American clients, we do clearly state that, technically speaking, US Citizens are required to report any pay tax on ALL passive source income regardless of where it is invested. Of course, it is also true that since many financial institutions do not report interest or account balances even to their own local governments, it therefore it is up to the individual client or investor to do so on their own.

It is interesting to note that any emerging market needs capital to grow, and the Dominican Republic is an emerging market nation. In the past, the ratio of foreign versus local banking deposits totaled about 60-percent to 40-percent in the overall Dominican banking system. I do know what the current ratio is exactly today, but would say that foreign investment capital (and banking deposits) continues to play an import role in the local economic development. If ANYTHING changes to make the Dominican Republic a less attractive place for foreigners to invest or bank, this will have a very negative impact on the local economy (meaning if the local Dominican Government allows any situation to develop to such a point). So, it is in the best long-term interest of the Dominican Republic to offer tax and or other kinds of favorable regimes in place for their own long-term economic growth. If you think this is unfair in any way, keep in mind that the US does the same thing, allowing for capital gains derived from stock trading in the US to be treated on a tax-free basis (and often enough NOT reported to the other foreign government of the citizen that owns the account) for non-Americans that own such US based accounts.


In regards to the following comments by Mr. Keith R:


Keith R said:
You have to ask yourself, why is the outdated stuff still around? Why, for example, does he show you a picture of a big nice house and ask where else can you buy something like this for only US$75,000???] If he makes so much money from savvy investing, and is so ethical, surely he can afford and would feel compelled to update his materials. Could it be because it would inconvenient to discuss current Dominican realities? Perhaps just like why his investment newsletter disappeared when the economy tanked in the DR?...

My Reply: The answer as to why the outdated stuff is still around in terms of some, if not many, articles on the Internet is, lack of time to be frank but, also a result of plagiarism as well. Meaning, we have found some of OUR articles and information copied in the past and posted elsewhere, demonstrated as being original information authored by someone else. In order to combat this, as a tactic for a while, we have also willfully not updated many of the articles in order to put the other guys out of business, so to speak (the idiots that cannot come up with any original information on their own wither up and blow away usually). In line with this idea, we have found it more practical to put ALL newer and current information in our newsletter that we do send out at least monthly (we used to do it weekly, but it now it is done monthly or sometimes bimonthly if time permits). Perhaps being busy is no excuse, but it is the only one that exists.

In any event, ALL of our previous and very recent newsletters issues are on-line for those people that bother to take the time to look (and know where to look). In addition, from time to time we do try and purge our mailing list from people that really have no business being there (perhaps Mr. Keith R. was one of the people dropped off the list some time ago, and why he thinks we stopped the newsletter - we did stop it for some people like him). Not to go off on a tangent, but as another example of this, we have some local attorneys who have been able to get on the mailing list, under false pretences I can only assume. Which is to say, why in the world would a so-called knowledgeable and professional local attorney or even someone with so much local insight as our friend Mr. Keith R. want to read our newsletter? Why would be need to? Why would he even care? I have to admit that I do NOT read the DR1 information as I would rather spend the time preparing our own information for our clients - but, I digress.

In all fairness, there is a good bit of information and on-line articles that needs updating, and we have been doing so bit by bit as time permits. Of course I could afford to hire someone who is perceived to be as knowledgeable and insightful as Mr. Keith R, but the truth is I see no value in it, as I have yet to find any one particular person to take on this function that I can trust completely, knowledge wise or otherwise. So, I am afraid to say, you will start to see some new articles and new information, including on the Escape Artist and some other on-line venues I write for from time to time, but as my own free time allows. But as I already have stated, our newsletters throughout 2002, 2003 and 2004 have addressed the economics and other issues current at the moment they were written. Of course in all fairness, our newsletter is not devoted to the Dominican Republic alone as we discuss a variety of other topics, other jurisdictions and other information of interest to our clients as well.

In terms of real estate (today, December 2004) there are many cases that sellers are asking for prices that are beyond the term ridiculous, and if you only base your real estate search on classified lads in Listin Diario, you will be missing quite a bit. However, I personally looked at some new homes about 60 days ago, being offered by one of the larger construction firms in the country, that are selling for about RD$2 Million Pesos (which translates into about US$69,000 using an exchange rate of 29). I looked at another residential project north of the city but within the National District limits (before the toll booth) that are selling for US$45,000 and up. In both cases, residential home projects marketed to locals. Are they super luxury mansions? The answer is no. They are however very reasonable NEW homes in a middle class project that probably would be very acceptable to a retired couple or a small family (the largest home was 3-bedrooms). Your neighbors will NOT be people like Oscar De La Renta, but instead very normal working class, middle class people. If this bothers you, do not go there. If you want to pay high prices for real estate, then be my guest. If you do not, the properties are out there IF YOU KNOW WHERE TO LOOK. Why does our friend Keith R. claim such homes do not exist? Because HE DOES NOT KNOW ANY BETTER, which should perhaps tell you something about some of the other information he professes to offer.


In reply to the following comment by Mr. Keith R:


Keith R said:
As for this stuff "still making sense," this is coming from someone who decides the DR's education system is doing great because his bellhop has a law degree? Who has admitted that he is new to the DR's realities? A lot of this stuff didn't make sense to people living & working the DR realities when it was published 4 yrs ago! For example, in the article you quoted he talks about how tough it is to get & keep a banking license in the DR, as if this is a guarantee of bank safety. Can you say Baninter? Banco Mercantil?...

My Reply: Bellhop with a law degree? Without offering any very specific examples of exactly what comments or information he is referring, it is almost impossible to offer any rebuttal. However, generally speaking, I am going to take a stab in the dark and suggest that that Mr. Keith R. is one of those foreigners that has come to the Dominican Republic, and has failed at whatever he was doing, or in the least, found things to be a bit more difficult than he imagined them to be. If the educational system is really not that good or acceptable, if the country is so terrible either in terms of banking, economics, living conditions, whatever - why would you continue to live there? Why? It makes no sense. Why even talk about it? Move on. And if YOU do not continue to live there and other people do (and are content), what does that say? Are they crazy or are you? Are they a failure or are you?

It is always much easier physiologically for someone to blame another person, blame the government, or even blame the weather THAN to blame themselves for their own failures. There are many, many clients of ours that love the Dominican Republic (for a variety of reasons) and have done well living there. There are some people that do not like the country, for whatever reasons (which may be valid in terms of their own personal issues) and as I have said before, finding a new country is like trying on new clothes. You have to find someplace that fits just right with you personally, and the truth is, no place is perfect, but some places might just be a bit better for you than someplace else. Losers will always look for excuses or reasons why they have failed (other then themselves of course). Winners will see the value or benefits for what they are, and take advantage of them. So, yes there are a number of different realities. Take to the people that have been foolish, talk to the people that have failed, talk to the people that have lost money because of the decisions they themselves have made, and you will construct a series of realities of the losers. However, talk to the people that have been successful, talk to the people that have taken advantage of the benefits or opportunities - and you will see and hear a very different picture.

However, it is very painful to talk about this with the failures. Why? Because it highlights their own misgivings very clearly and makes them-selves feel badly in the process (because in that moment they must admit who and what they are). How is it possible that many foreigners have found very reasonably priced real estate that they are happy with? A client of ours found a home right on the beach, within 45 minute driving distance to Santo Domingo that purchased for about US$115,000 not too long ago (that he is remodeling and very thrilled to do so). Some other clients have done very well with their banking or other kinds of investments (and they wished they would have come to the DR 15 years ago instead of just 3 years ago). There are many stories like this. How do you explain these other realities? Think about it. Same country, same economy but two different people - One successful the other not - How do you explain it?

Let us now move on to banking. It is TRUE that the process for a banking license application in the Dominican is much stricter and possibly more costly (both in terms of fees and minimum capital one must put up) than in other jurisdictions (namely some of the English speaking jurisdictions that in the past have just about given away Class B banking licenses for US$35,000 and a smile). However, apart from this, there is a banking insurance fund (serving a similar purpose to FDIC in the US), which is administered by the Superintendent of Banking and maintained at the Central Bank. In fact, in terms of solvency, if you look at the statistics from FDIC and make a comparison to the Dominican Republics banking insurance fund, the Dominican Banks pay a much higher premium into the fund (than do their American Bank counterparts) and it appears to be more solvent than FDIC in terms of the insurance fund to account coverage ratios.

BANINTER. Many people hold the opinion this was a political issue rather than a bona fide banking failure, but the truth is the jury is still out (in fact the jury has never even meet to deliberate, figuratively speaking, which is part of the point as well). In any event, we have covered this is great detail in two separate newsletter issues, so I will not repeat it here. In any event, I do think it important to note that NOT one depositor lost money in BANINTER (the Superintendent of Banking came in and in an unusual but commendable move, the Central Bank also announced they would guarantee ALL deposits, which they have). Many, many people have gotten checks or have moved their accounts to Scotia Bank (in which case Scotia Bank handled the transfer or liquidation process for them). If someone had an account at BANINTER and if they have NOT retrieved their funds from the previous account or deposit, then it is their OWN fault. Which is to say, the only reason that such persons have NOT gotten their money is because they have not bothered to complete the claim form and deposit it with the Superintendent of Banking to do so. If such persons have not bothered to get their money, this is not my fault.

Banco Mercantil. So, what is the issue or problem with Banco Mercantil? Banco Mercantil was bought out by one of the largest banking groups based in the Caribbean, namely Republic Bank based out of Trinidad and Tobago. Some branches were closed or merged as a result of the decisions taken by the new executive management from Republic Bank, but apart from that, I do not understand the point? Are you claiming that depositors lost money? BanCredito was bought out by the Leon Jimenez Group, and the name changed to LEON bank. What is the point there? Bank depositors got a new passbook with a new logo on the cover? This is such a terrible thing? Bank mergers do not go on in North America or Europe? What is Mr. Keith R. trying to say? Does he even know what he is talking about?

In regards to the following comments by Mr. Keith R:


Keith R said:
This, plus your prior post, ought to come with the disclaimer, The prior has been brought to you by the unbiased folks at Ascot Advisory Services, or The Guardian Group, or whatever other identity they care to adopt these days. One final word of advice: there is not yet a consumer protection law in the DR, no entity charged with protecting consumers, no entity supervising advertising claims, and no true investor protections. Schroeder can dance around those issues all he wants, but those are the plain facts you'd do well to bear in mind in future investing in the DR....

My Reply: Sounds like a sour grapes comment to me, but here goes the reply. No country is perfect and no situation perfect either. I would like to tell you that the Dominican Republic is the here all to end all, but that is not reality. I do try to offer information, which while perhaps not considered to be balanced by some, is at least a more detailed in terms of explanation or understanding of events, the economy, etc. Which is to say, not everything is black and white or there are often some other things going on which are not so apparent at first glance.

Am I unbiased? Perhaps not, simply because I do like the Dominican Republic, and I do think for some people, the country can offer a number of benefits not found elsewhere. Then again I do like Panama, I like Argentina and a few other places as well. Each for different reasons, and that includes what I think about the Dominican Republic also (but it is far from perfect).

Our friend Mr. Keith R. seems to have some sour grapes in his fruit basket, or he did something foolish, got burned and not he wants everyone else to cry along with him (it is very true that misery does indeed love company). The Dominican Republic and many, many other countries that can be called emerging markets often enough do not have certain government regulations and laws that may exist elsewhere. There is both a positive and negative side to this. A businessman that wants to open a new bagel shop in Santo Domingo does not have to worry about all the ridiculous red tape and government regulation that might exist in Europe or the US (worrying about having to paint the bathroom the proper shade of white, or you do not get your operating license as is the case in the US as just one example). Of course you also do not have some of these idiotic and frivolous lawsuits in the DR that are tolerated in the US either.

However, all of this means one needs to use to common sense when buying real estate, when investing, or whatever else in countries like the Dominican Republic (of course some people do not have any common sense which is why they get into trouble in the first place). In the US and Europe the government takes away up to 70-percent of your money (via income and social security taxes) so they can protect you with all sorts of laws, regulations and agencies. Are they doing a good job of it and is it worth it? I do not know, only you personally can answer that question. It is true you do not have many of these so-called government nannies in countries like the Dominican Republic, but then again the local government is not sucking you dry with income taxes either (to pay another level of government morons to tell you what you can and cannot do with your own money). It cuts both ways. But some people like the government to tell them what to do, simply because they cannot think for themselves. They like and want someone to take care of them - and take almost all their money away for the privilege. So, it all depends upon what you want. If this is you, stay where you are in Canada or the US or Europe and never leave.

Our friend Keith R. sounds like one of these people. Perhaps he is not intelligent enough to know that someone advertising a Diamond Ring for 10 cents is probably full of it. He wants and needs the government to save him from himself, which he is why he thinks MORE government intervention is a good thing. I do not.

In regards to my business, Ascot Advisory Services is the name and I do not think that needs any further elaboration or explanation. The Guardian Investment Group is a private investment service managed by Mr. Andres Marranzini, who has been managing funds privately for some of our clients for the past six years now. What else?

In summary, the only thing I can agree with Mr. Keith R. on is to say one must use common sense when investing ANYWHERE. However, in the US, Enron and a host of other US companies (a country with some of the most stringent investor protection and securities laws in the world), was found to have cooked the books, and many investors lost money. With that said, does this mean every US company is crooked? If Mr. Keith R. did something foolish with his own money and lost it in the Dominican Republic, does this mean every investor has had a negative experience in the Dominican Republic? You decide, but remember, not everything is black and white and often enough, people posting messages on a message board often have a hidden agenda (such as to whine and place blame elsewhere, when such a person probably needs to look no further than their own reflection in the mirror).


Before anyone starts shooting at me, remember this wise advise by Julius Cesar : " Don't kill the messenger, because you don't like the message... "
 

Keith R

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I don't have to defend myself against the likes of Schroeder. And I think most DR1ers are smart enough to see through his smoke and mirrors.

And iluvdr, to quote from something I said to you earlier:

If the messenger is promoting misleading material, then I fault the messenger for it as well, I don't care who he is. If he's/she's not being careful, or doesn't care enough to check or warn that the info is skewed, then he/she is part of the problem.
 

Hillbilly

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Hey guys, let's put a halt to this

What the bishops call the Holiday Truce!

After all John knows his business and Keith knows his. They happen to have different opinions from each other regarding the who, whats and wherefores. So what?

The OP wanted to know what to do with her savings and many of us chimed in.

Keith is a family man and very conservative.

iluvdr is happy to put his money in someone's hands, someone that he personally has met, talked to and who he likes and trusts. That is what investing capital is all about. I do not know what the fuss is all about.

Me? Heck I took a middle road and suggested 1/3 of the money in Central Bank CDs at 24%....Which, and here the opinions differ greatly and hotly, if the Central Bank does not tell Uncle Sam who has what & where, the return to the young lady would be about $1000 per month, certainly not something to sneeze at. Re-invested she would be kinda wealthy in ten or so years.

Perhaps, since she is not a Dominican citizen the Central Bank might tell Uncle Sam. However, if she is Dominican, then I think all bets are off...But hey! I am not a tax expert and do not know jack about many of the issues here.


HB, wishing all a very Merry Christmas