yeah,
and their Sons would never drive that way paid for ferraris to Elec Poles on higher speeds than the allowed speed limits
Mike
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Metro back in the news - debts!
yeah,
and their Sons would never drive that way paid for ferraris to Elec Poles on higher speeds than the allowed speed limits
Mike
foreign engineeers planning.
the Metro even got it's Deal from that great Spaniard's experienced Metro.
Yep,
the Spaniards also pay for the next 1867 years at least to keep it running.
Mike
He is out to lunch with Nals and then going to the playa to dig a hole in the sand. :hurt:
hopefully not before a Poll about the Crisis is opened, lol
Mike
of course they are deeper in Debt,
they are the Hosts of Lehman Bro's &Co.
but not all Bro's up there are that bad and stu..,
I always liked the Blues Bro's as good Reps of a well organized educational superpower, Yikes.
but impossible in DR,
here the Gubmint doesn't have the Blues
Mike
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Bueno senores, no se pueden quejar. Ya tenemos metro! Yei!!
Hace falta electricidad, educacion, organizacion, apego a las leyes, recortes del gasto gubernamental, institucionalidad, vocacion a la exportacion, en fin muchas cosas.
Pero no le pare a eso!! Ya tu sabes como eh!! En Santo Domingo no hay ley.
Todos los que pueden hace lo que le da la gana. A bebe romo y a rapa se ha dicho!!
Dale pa lante que el golpe avisa!!!
Bueno senores, no se pueden quejar. Ya tenemos metro! Yei!!
Hace falta electricidad, educacion, organizacion, apego a las leyes, recortes del gasto gubernamental, institucionalidad, vocacion a la exportacion, en fin muchas cosas.
Pero no le pare a eso!! Ya tu sabes como eh!! En Santo Domingo no hay ley.
Todos los que pueden hace lo que le da la gana. A bebe romo y a rapa se ha dicho!!
Dale pa lante que el golpe avisa!!!
Hum maybe toooooo manyyyyyyy alreadyyyyyy. Sounds better as a female,
Macho as a strong drink,
Female is for the strong other stuff not allow to mention here without getting slapped by Chiri or Robert, ha ha.
o.k.,
I may just SU and move on to the other screen to check the weather.
Hey,
it is Santo Libre in my Glass right now, too,
and a Cigar from La reina Dominicana.
Heck,
Life is Good,
if just People more often also would be
cheers
Miek
Every freakin' time I try to give rep points I have to spread them around a bit??
Anyway, I dedicate this next drink to you Mike.
Prost!!!
Anyway, I dedicate this next drink to you Mike.
Prost!!!
Prost,
sounds fine to Me, ha ha.
and I have to refill again, lol.
and the same Mess than on the last Refill of the lil half liter Glass,
My Pretty Dishwasher is in Bed since a while,
so I really have to walk up to the Fridge Myself and get Da Ice and Brugal and make it Santito.
been great in the very low fresh wind down here on the Pier tonight,
I will never understand why some People seek for Hot Sunny Humid Summerdays, those Fresh Nights on the Pier with Calm sea and a Empty beach are what the real Stuff is made of.
spreading out Points???
heck Buddy,
what ya think where the Mods of DR1 get the Rep Points from???
Yes,
to be able to give points to real valuable postings we have to "spread out the bordlove" in the way of the 60's and 70's, means to Everyone, so we even give such to the Mods just to be able to Honor also the Valuable Contributions.
Time to get that Refill
cheers
Mike
That is terrible Mike! - make you sure that the fridge is in a safe place, well electrically grounded (15 Ohms or less) and without other hazards (washing machine, iron, hair dryer) around.
I have a "pint pot" (Stein?) but I still dribble down my chin.
This is no joking matter!
Truly we have our patience tested every day.
But we will overcome.
Keep the faith!
Pedro
x
PS - even though many, many days are perfect - I know you will never forget to cherish them all.
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Yikes,
the only ones of those mentioned Hazards I could get in trouble with would be the Iron, the Hairdryer, a Plate or Glass or two,
of course only when the pretty Dishwasher throws them after Me,
that's the mainreason why my Mrs and the Nanny and the Cookie and the Mrs and ....
will never ever get a computer and a Internet connection to read my posts, lolol.
cheers
on an other beautiful young Day in sweet Life
Mike
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I was away in a Doctor's "influenced" vacation...
I'm much better now, just don't need the drama...
The facts about the Metro will never be "simple" or "clear" from the media in the DR, much less from the self-imposed gag the gov has procured for the project.
Needless to say the gov is simply saying that funds are slow to come in from external sources to the L2 works, but they're coming in nevertheless...
There are two things one must pay attention to when dealing with data on the Metro:
#1 What's said in the media and from the gov.
#2 What's really taking place, which one can see with the naked eye in the actual works being carried out.
Let's go for #1:
The media says it investigated" that work in the ongoing L2 is unpaid for by a large chunk. Do you really believe the media here investigates? That's to say the media is "fed" information from those directly involved in the project, like contractors that want to "push” bit the funds down from the gov to their own pockets.
What better way to do this than using the power of negative press? Does it works? Yes! It always does in the DR and pretty much elsewhere corruption is present.
What's to be read from the media reports: The L2 of the SD Metro is broke! What it means: Contractors want their money pronto!
What the gov says to the media reports: Yes! Pretty yes! The money is owed, but it's coming soon! What it means: It never was a secret that funds were hard to secure given the economic crisis the world is in, but the cash flow will move again soon enough.
Now let's go to #2:
What's really taking place in the L2 works? Is work halted as the media claims? Slowed down from lack of sources? All contractors took up their crews and machinery and hit the "sleep" mode until paid what they're owed?
The reverse is the truth! While the media is fed one liners, the work is actually being carried out in haste for the past few weeks. Just as the constant rains receded and allowed the heavy machinery to start once again, the danger of a multiple storm season hitting the island has made the conclusion of open ground works a priority over other underground (scheduled) works!
While the timetable of the works called for all the stations to be built before the tunneling was carried out, the reverse is the actual plan. All now open stations are being covered as fast and possible, and the underground tunneling being the priority for the work. The Dosco boring machines are carrying out the tunneling from end to end non-stop, whilst the stations that interconnect the tunnels are delegated to the second phase. Only those stations that already have been intervened will continue to see work at surface as planned, always that the weather conditions are met.
Funding for the work in the L2 has come mostly from the revenues collected from fares in the L1 operations. Since the operational subsidy for the L1 was introduced complete from the last budget, all revenues from the fares are provided fully to cover ongoing work on the L2.
Needless to say the gov is simply saying that funds are slow to come in from external sources to the L2 works, but they're coming in nevertheless...
There are two things one must pay attention to when dealing with data on the Metro:
#1 What's said in the media and from the gov.
#2 What's really taking place, which one can see with the naked eye in the actual works being carried out.
Let's go for #1:
The media says it investigated" that work in the ongoing L2 is unpaid for by a large chunk. Do you really believe the media here investigates? That's to say the media is "fed" information from those directly involved in the project, like contractors that want to "push” bit the funds down from the gov to their own pockets.
What better way to do this than using the power of negative press? Does it works? Yes! It always does in the DR and pretty much elsewhere corruption is present.
What's to be read from the media reports: The L2 of the SD Metro is broke! What it means: Contractors want their money pronto!
What the gov says to the media reports: Yes! Pretty yes! The money is owed, but it's coming soon! What it means: It never was a secret that funds were hard to secure given the economic crisis the world is in, but the cash flow will move again soon enough.
Now let's go to #2:
What's really taking place in the L2 works? Is work halted as the media claims? Slowed down from lack of sources? All contractors took up their crews and machinery and hit the "sleep" mode until paid what they're owed?
The reverse is the truth! While the media is fed one liners, the work is actually being carried out in haste for the past few weeks. Just as the constant rains receded and allowed the heavy machinery to start once again, the danger of a multiple storm season hitting the island has made the conclusion of open ground works a priority over other underground (scheduled) works!
While the timetable of the works called for all the stations to be built before the tunneling was carried out, the reverse is the actual plan. All now open stations are being covered as fast and possible, and the underground tunneling being the priority for the work. The Dosco boring machines are carrying out the tunneling from end to end non-stop, whilst the stations that interconnect the tunnels are delegated to the second phase. Only those stations that already have been intervened will continue to see work at surface as planned, always that the weather conditions are met.
Funding for the work in the L2 has come mostly from the revenues collected from fares in the L1 operations. Since the operational subsidy for the L1 was introduced complete from the last budget, all revenues from the fares are provided fully to cover ongoing work on the L2.
So we cannot see the work because it is happening underground?
And the contractors are just hustling to get their invoices paid early?
Plausible.
Seriously, I used the same lines my self while drilling in Haiti.
:bunny:
And the contractors are just hustling to get their invoices paid early?
Plausible.
Seriously, I used the same lines my self while drilling in Haiti.
:bunny:
So we cannot see the work because it is happening underground?
And the contractors are just hustling to get their invoices paid early?
Plausible.
Seriously, I used the same lines my self while drilling in Haiti.
:bunny:
By the time you blink there will be another line in "preliminary" work (as Opret refers to work on the Metro) as well (hint: L3)...
The L1 is providing 60 million pesos to the L2 works per month from fare revenues alone... Now check the date when work started on the L2 and match the funds allocated from the L1 revenues to that project since...???
Work started in earnest by October 2009 on the L2 (by that I mean actual earth movement and not samples from the ground with "sondas").
By September 2009 the L1 was allocating some 40+ million pesos from fares a month to the L2 project. By January this year it was providing close to 50 million pesos... After that it went up above the 60 million mark per month, but fell back to the stable 60 +/- million pesos as of now.
Sept 2009, Oct, Nov, Dec = 160 million pesos... Jan 2010 to Oct 31st = 480 million pesos. All GT = 640 +/- million pesos allocated to the L2 already from those funds!
Why it happened like that you ask? The L1 has been given an operating subsidy from the gov from the last budget, which made it possible to divert 100% of fare revenues to the L2. They used this to bypass having to provide details of the L2 work to the then PRD contras in congress!! Reason why the PRD "economists" and "Metro" specialists can't identify where the money to fund the Metro current work came from!
The L1 is providing 60 million pesos to the L2 works per month from fare revenues alone... Now check the date when work started on the L2 and match the funds allocated from the L1 revenues to that project since...???
Work started in earnest by October 2009 on the L2 (by that I mean actual earth movement and not samples from the ground with "sondas").
By September 2009 the L1 was allocating some 40+ million pesos from fares a month to the L2 project. By January this year it was providing close to 50 million pesos... After that it went up above the 60 million mark per month, but fell back to the stable 60 +/- million pesos as of now.
Sept 2009, Oct, Nov, Dec = 160 million pesos... Jan 2010 to Oct 31st = 480 million pesos. All GT = 640 +/- million pesos allocated to the L2 already from those funds!
Why it happened like that you ask? The L1 has been given an operating subsidy from the gov from the last budget, which made it possible to divert 100% of fare revenues to the L2. They used this to bypass having to provide details of the L2 work to the then PRD contras in congress!! Reason why the PRD "economists" and "Metro" specialists can't identify where the money to fund the Metro current work came from!
That is a nice picture of all the weather that is coming NOWHERE NEAR US.
Look, it takes one to know one.
I am one.
I see one.
I know I see one.
But I think you missed the point.
It would be unnatural if somebody didn't go bust along the way with a project like this.
Look at the Chunnel.
Look at the cabling of the UK.
It is not a big problem.
This is something that you do not have to spin.
It will get finished, late and over budget like every project in the history of projects worth doing - but it will get finished I am sure.
Nice photos by the way - next time please include today's newspaper in the photo so we know you are telling the truth.
Psyche!!!
Look, it takes one to know one.
I am one.
I see one.
I know I see one.
But I think you missed the point.
It would be unnatural if somebody didn't go bust along the way with a project like this.
Look at the Chunnel.
Look at the cabling of the UK.
It is not a big problem.
This is something that you do not have to spin.
It will get finished, late and over budget like every project in the history of projects worth doing - but it will get finished I am sure.
Nice photos by the way - next time please include today's newspaper in the photo so we know you are telling the truth.
Psyche!!!
"Funding for the work in the L2 has come mostly from the revenues collected from fares in the L1 operations. Since the operational subsidy for the L1 was introduced complete from the last budget, all revenues from the fares are provided fully to cover ongoing work on the L2."
So Line 1 is paying for the construction work of line 2 - I cannot belive this is true.
The photos are impressive but other than the central business district I cannot see the need to have the entire line underground - this must add a considerable amount to the costs.
For a private indvdual you certainly seem to get hold of the data very easily Pichardo - who exactly are you?
So Line 1 is paying for the construction work of line 2 - I cannot belive this is true.
The photos are impressive but other than the central business district I cannot see the need to have the entire line underground - this must add a considerable amount to the costs.
For a private indvdual you certainly seem to get hold of the data very easily Pichardo - who exactly are you?