Pre-Fill your oil filter

[chico bill]

All you self-mechanics here in DR, here's an interesting video and why you should pre-fill your spin on oil filters when you change oil.
Never thought to do this but from now on I shall.
If you have a canister than mounts horizontally you are SOL

FYI - because of the quality of service you have available in DR - you will become more involved in mechanics than if you lived ib Europe or North America where mechanics are certified and actually own full sets of tools.

 

[josh2203]

All you self-mechanics here in DR, here's an interesting video and why you should pre-fill your spin on oil filters when you change oil.
Never thought to do this but from now on I shall.
If you have a canister than mounts horizontally you are SOL

FYI - because of the quality of service you have available in DR - you will become more involved in mechanics than if you lived ib Europe or North America where mechanics are certified and actually own full sets of tools.

Very good video. I have always done this with our Ford, where indeed the oil filter mounts like a bucket upwards, very easy to mount prefilled. Pre-filling also helps lubricate the filter seal which again helps when you remove the filter... I agree on the video with the oil pressure thing, as when you change the oil, there's a decent amount of oil that the new, dry filter eats, so if the engine does not have to wait for the oil pump to first fill the filter, much less oil pressure lost.

 

[cavok]

I've never heard of that before nor have I ever done it. I can just imagine the look I'll get from the mechanic if I ask him to do that.

 

[playacaribe2]

All you self-mechanics here in DR, here's an interesting video and why you should pre-fill your spin on oil filters when you change oil.
Never thought to do this but from now on I shall.
If you have a canister than mounts horizontally you are SOL

FYI - because of the quality of service you have available in DR - you will become more involved in mechanics than if you lived ib Europe or North America where mechanics are certified and actually own full sets of tools.

Pre-filling is not necessary, but there is no harm in doing so.

What is of far more importance is the quality of that filter and that it is the correct type of filter. Those that use synthetic oil which can last longer than conventional oil need to use a filter that stands up to the extra miles between oil changes.

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

 

[cavok]

I've heard that an engine can run for about a half an hour without any oil at all. I'm sure there's damage before that but I doubt you're doing any damage to an engine in the couple seconds it might take to fill up an empty oil filter. Sounds like another thing to be OCD about.

 

[bachata]

I am a professional mechanic, I knew this for more than 15 years otherwise I barely do it. In some vehicles this is just impossible like in my Toyota Camry V-6 since the filter is installed almost in horizontal position.
It's recommended to do so because the oil pump sucks from the filter in some engines not in all applications.
In the ISL9 Cummins engines I put a hole in the filter to drain it before removing it and before I install the new one I add two quarts of oil to prevent the crankshaft from suffering damages due friction as the oil pump will take ten seconds to prime the air in the lubrication ducts.

JJ

 

[josh2203]

I've heard that an engine can run for about a half an hour without any oil at all. I'm sure there's damage before that but I doubt you're doing any damage to an engine in the couple seconds it might take to fill up an empty oil filter. Sounds like another thing to be OCD about.

You could be right, I don't have exact facts, but I do know that any time metal against metal is usually not the best treatment you can give to an engine. I have no trouble being OCD on matters that involve a vehicle, as that, has been a decent investment for us... So I'd rather be too careful than just do the necessary. If it gives the engine some extra miles, good for me...

 

[josh2203]

Pre-filling is not necessary, but there is no harm in doing so.

What is of far more importance is the quality of that filter and that it is the correct type of filter. Those that use synthetic oil which can last longer than conventional oil need to use a filter that stands up to the extra miles between oil changes.

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

As our vehicle is a bit older, I actually only use 100 % synthetic, a better quality oil filter and do the oil change at about 70 % intervals as compared to the recommended intervals, so more frequently...

 

[PJT]

All you self-mechanics here in DR, here's an interesting video and why you should pre-fill your spin on oil filters when you change oil.
Never thought to do this but from now on I shall.
If you have a canister than mounts horizontally you are SOL

FYI - because of the quality of service you have available in DR - you will become more involved in mechanics than if you lived ib Europe or North America where mechanics are certified and actually own full sets of tools.

This is a good idea. A little spin to this, is also dab your finger in the oil and spread it over the filter ring and threads. It helps makes a tighter leak proof seal.

Regards,

PJT

 

[playacaribe2]

As our vehicle is a bit older, I actually only use 100 % synthetic, a better quality oil filter and do the oil change at about 70 % intervals as compared to the recommended intervals, so more frequently...

Try to make sure the filter is rated for synthetic. The best for either synthetic or regular oil, and in no particular order are Bosch, Mobil1, and a brand many have never heard of called Royal Purple.

Ideally in a hot climate like the DR and since oil, even synthetic, breaks down faster, I would look to change synthetic oil and filter every 6,500 miles or equivalent kilometers and conventional oil every 3,000 miles.

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

 

[bachata]

One single engine of the buses I maintain Cummins ISL-9 cost more than a one bedroom apartment in Sosua.

JJ

 

[USA DOC]

to fill your oil filter or not to fill...the important thing is to change your filter and oil every 3K miles normal oil is fine...just remember if you car is just sitting and not being driven the heat here will break the oil down causing loss of viscosity...always pull the dip stick and feel the oil between your fingers if its losing viscosity it will not feel sticky......from a old used car manager............

 

[cavok]

You could be right, I don't have exact facts, but I do know that any time metal against metal is usually not the best treatment you can give to an engine. I have no trouble being OCD on matters that involve a vehicle, as that, has been a decent investment for us... So I'd rather be too careful than just do the necessary. If it gives the engine some extra miles, good for me...

The thing is, even though you drain the oil, all the engine parts inside are still covered with oil. That oil film only "disappears" as the engine gets hot and breaks down the oil film. That's not remotely going to happen in the 5-10 seconds it might take to fill up the oil filter.

The average flow rate of typical engine oil pump is supposedly about 4 gallons/minute. That's about 8 ounces/second. Eight ounces is about the size of the filter on my Camry, so one second to fill it up.

 

[playacaribe2]

This is a good idea. A little spin to this, is also dab your finger in the oil and spread it over the filter ring and threads. It helps makes a tighter leak proof seal.

Regards,

PJT

Old school idea that still is worth doing but probably not necessary. The reason they used to do this is the seal on the filter could dry out while waiting on a shelf to be purchased and/or installed. Today’s seals are far more advanced as are the filters.

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

 

[bachata]

Old school idea that still is worth doing but probably not necessary. The reason they used to do this is the seal on the filter could dry out while waiting on a shelf to be purchased and/or installed. Today’s seals are far more advanced as are the filters.

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

I always lubricate O rings in all types of filters and parts installation, some filters come from the factory with the lubricant included, just to mention a couple examples in my daily basis maintenance jobs are CNG fuel filters and airdryer repairs kit they come with Vaseline.

JJ

 

[Kricke87]

I've heard that an engine can run for about a half an hour without any oil at all. I'm sure there's damage before that but I doubt you're doing any damage to an engine in the couple seconds it might take to fill up an empty oil filter. Sounds like another thing to be OCD about.

Don't know about newer cars, but I can confirm that's not the case at least for my first car I bought. 18 years old, a 1989 FORD Escort. Before leaving home I was checking the oil level but forgot to put the oil dipstick all the way in. So less than 10 minutes later I got to my school's parking lot and I heard loud knocking sounds, freaked out, called my dad and he just confirmed that I'd just killed the engine. Opened up the hood and oil was EVERYWHERE.
So atleast that car didn't last 30 minutes without oil....

 

[cavok]

Don't know about newer cars, but I can confirm that's not the case at least for my first car I bought. 18 years old, a 1989 FORD Escort. Before leaving home I was checking the oil level but forgot to put the oil dipstick all the way in. So less than 10 minutes later I got to my school's parking lot and I heard loud knocking sounds, freaked out, called my dad and he just confirmed that I'd just killed the engine. Opened up the hood and oil was EVERYWHERE.
So atleast that car didn't last 30 minutes without oil....

I believe that was at idle rpm under no load. You can find videos on YouTube where they'll run an engine under full load at max rpm with no oil for a couple minutes before it seizes up or throws a rod. I think your Escort had hydraulic lifters so that might have made things worse(?).

 

[playacaribe2]

I always lubricate O rings in all types of filters and parts installation, some filters come from the factory with the lubricant included, just to mention a couple examples in my daily basis maintenance jobs are CNG fuel filters and airdryer repairs kit they come with Vaseline.

JJ

Of course when it is factory suggested, it is a good idea. However, most car manufacturers do not require it of/from their dealers who service cars, but as I said above it is still worth doing for those who believe.

It reminds me of the great debate back in the day, for the product that would make/coat your internal engine parts almost wear proof eading to a longer life. Slick marketing and some fancy commercials and lots of people bought/used "Slick 50."

Did it work? The debate still goes on by some people who swore by it.

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

 

[bachata]

Of course when it is factory suggested, it is a good idea. However, most car manufacturers do not require it of/from their dealers who service cars, but as I said above it is still worth doing for those who believe.

It reminds me of the great debate back in the day, for the product that would make/coat your internal engine parts almost wear proof eading to a longer life. Slick marketing and some fancy commercials and lots of people bought/used "Slick 50."

Did it work? The debate still goes on by some people who swore by it.

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

Yes I believed in some products (oil additive) to extend the life of my engines. I not longer use them in my vehicles as the oil Quality has improved efficiently in the last decades.
When I started working in the maintenance department where I have been almost since I arrived in the US I have seen a lot changes in the frequency of oil changes in our Fleet, same engines when I started in the company the PMI where performed every 3000 miles then went up to 5000 and today we are doing it at 7.5 k.

JJ

 

[chico bill]

Try to make sure the filter is rated for synthetic. The best for either synthetic or regular oil, and in no particular order are Bosch, Mobil1, and a brand many have never heard of called Royal Purple.

Ideally in a hot climate like the DR and since oil, even synthetic, breaks down faster, I would look to change synthetic oil and filter every 6,500 miles or equivalent kilometers and conventional oil every 3,000 miles.

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

Hot in DR? There are places all over the world way hotter.
And lately it's been quite cool