The Cuban Threat

What do you think the opening of Cuba to Americans would mean to Dominican tourism?

  • Dominican tourism will collapse.

    Votes: 6 6.3%
  • Dominican tourism will go through hard times.

    Votes: 38 40.0%
  • Dominican tourism will not feel much.

    Votes: 31 32.6%
  • It will mean nothing, Dominican tourism will remain strong and well.

    Votes: 20 21.1%

  • Total voters
    95

cobraboy

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Dunno if this is something personal between you two, in which case, don't shoot, I'll just step slowly and quietly back to the door and leave you to it!
Nope. Nothing personal. Turns out something_in_the_night and I went to different schools together...;) :glasses:

KeithF said:
But if it was genuine, I do think a lot of people who are US citizens are fed a lot of BS by their government re Cuba,
That works in many different directions. I suspect many have been fed eeeevil anti-US BS by the detractors of the US.

There are sheeple in every country. 'Course it's the ~other guy~ who's the sheeple, not you...:cheeky:

Does anyone really know all the answers? Besides me, that is...;)

"Those who think they know it all really pi$$ off those of us who do...":p
 

cobraboy

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Genuine on my part. See, I can take batting instructions from a has-been or a bench-warmer or even from a casual observer of the game, but when it comes to stuff like this, it's best to take it directly from someone who has been there.
LOL!

Isn't "taking it directly from someone who has been there" second-hand knowledge?

If a dedicated Marxist, say Michael Moore, goes to Cuba and a member of the Republican National Committee, say Newt Gingrich, went to Cuba on the SAME tour, do you actually think their opinions would be identical?

Opinions are largely based on comparing both the objective and subjective to one's personal paradigm.

My standard, beyond personal experience, is a culmination of differing opinions until some semblance of a "standard deviation" begins to form. Within that + and -1 SD lies the body of the truth.
 

something_of_the_night

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LOL!

Isn't "taking it directly from someone who has been there" second-hand knowledge?

If a dedicated Marxist, say Michael Moore, goes to Cuba and a member of the Republican National Committee, say Newt Gingrich, went to Cuba on the SAME tour, do you actually think their opinions would be identical?

Opinions are largely based on comparing both the objective and subjective to one's personal paradigm.

My standard, beyond personal experience, is a culmination of differing opinions until some semblance of a "standard deviation" begins to form. Within that + and -1 SD lies the body of the truth.

I suppose I could/should have said, "Thanks, I learned something."

Us communists/socialists are not always trying to instigate.

I'm outta here.
 

gonzaga

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Hi KeithF,

I have had conversations here in Toronto with one of Cuban friends, and what you write is like listening to him. He has told me that the two greatest things in Cuba is their Health and Education sytems.

If I recall, it was in 1980 when Castrol open up the crossing to Miami from Cuba to allow whomever to cross into the US(there is a name for it, but I don't remember). This was a smart move for him, as this was his way of getting rid of many of the cubans who were dangerous, violent and corrupted in Cuba. Thereafter, he closed the passage for all cubans to Miami.
 

suitelady79

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I'm sorry, that is nonsense and propaganda put out...

I am certainly no expert on cuba, but I only stated that based on what I saw on that documentary that I posted about. Tourists were not allowed in the cane fields for fear that they would leave some disease or other thing in the fields and poison the cubans that way. It could have been all staged for TV...who knows. But as I also stated in my blurb, I don't know if it's all propaganda being told to us by our government or not. I wasn't sure. I learned a lot from your post and really appreciate you sharing such information. I can't wait till the embargo is lifted so that I can go to Cuba and experience what you have experienced. I am already a big fan of Cuban music (AfroCuban All Stars, etc.) and I am very sad that they have been forced to cancel some of their shows in the US because of not being able to get visas and such. They are such a wonderful band!
 

KeithF

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I am certainly no expert on cuba, but I only stated that based on what I saw on that documentary that I posted about. Tourists were not allowed in the cane fields for fear that they would leave some disease or other thing in the fields and poison the cubans that way. It could have been all staged for TV...who knows. But as I also stated in my blurb, I don't know if it's all propaganda being told to us by our government or not. I wasn't sure. I learned a lot from your post and really appreciate you sharing such information. I can't wait till the embargo is lifted so that I can go to Cuba and experience what you have experienced. I am already a big fan of Cuban music (AfroCuban All Stars, etc.) and I am very sad that they have been forced to cancel some of their shows in the US because of not being able to get visas and such. They are such a wonderful band!

Sorry if my first comment came across a bit 'snotty'!

We had complete freedom to go where we wanted, when we wanted. If we'd 'wanted' to go into a sugar cane field, we could have, they are very similar to in the Dom Rep, ie, come up to the road, without fences. We went on one organised trip to a Cuban farm, which was a bit like going on a Jeep Safari, except the farmer had a big, 1950's Cadillac, which he proudly started up for us and drove it out of the garage for us to look at! We had bananas off the tree, again, like in DR on trips. One of the Americans that I met in Havana had been to Cuba a few times and had hitch-hiked around the country, on his own. He loves the country, and at that point, had never had a problem, either in the US or Cuba. He travels via Mexico both ways. US citizens face large fines if they travel there and are caught by the US government. I'd guess the biggest risk would be if you lost your passport, as you'd have to try and sort out a new one before you could go home, which would be tricky, if not impossible, without letting on you were there! When you go in to Cuba, they place a piece of paper in your passport and stamp it, then on leaving, they stamp the piece of paper again and remove it so that US immigration don't see a Cuban stamp. To this day, I'm still frustrated by the fact that my passport hasn't got a Cuban stamp on it!

They do have some strange rules. Before I went I found one web site that listed the things tourists can't take with them into the country. This included "refrigeration units". Obviously, no self respecting tourist leaves home without one:ermm: But also, DVD players "including in PC's". No other web site mentioned this an it wasn't on my ticket etc, so I risked taking mine as I do a lot of digital photography and like to back up my stuff while away. I arrive at customs, put my bag through and am about to pick it up when a soldier shouted at me, pointed at the bag and shouts "LAPTOP!" Ohhh...f.... So I start opening it, and the guy on the X-Ray machine shouted something else and he snatched my camera. They put it through the X-Ray machine and stopped the belt, all crowding around, looking at it. Eventually they let it go and I grabbed it and legged it before he remembered the laptop! It was when digital SLR's first came out and I'm guessing they'd not seen one before so wondered why there was no film compartment. Not sure I'd get away with that now. Anyway, at our first hotel, we were talking with the rep and having a beer one evening and mentioned DVD's. He said he'd never seen one and "you won't get one into the country". So I went and got mine to show him it! On the laptop were loads of photos from a previous trip to DR which he really loved seeing. Despite being such a close neighbour, he knew nothing about the Dominican Republic, even asking us "do they speak Spanish" and laughing that "hey, they look like us!" He, like most Cubans, simply felt they would like to travel, which is possible but extremely difficult and expensive, almost always requiring a foreign 'sponsor' to pay for the trip and the admin costs.

Apparently, it's the only country in the world that hasn't got either a Mac Donalds, Burger King or KFC... so if you needed an excuse to go there, that's it!

I'm not *huge* fan of Cuban/Latin style music, although the Buena Vista Social Club were playing Havana just before we got there (or just after, I forget now) which would have been really cool to go and see.
 

suitelady79

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Keith,

You can be as snotty as you want! LOL--but only because I enjoy reading your stories! I didn't see a McDonalds, Burger King or KFC in the DR--do they exist there?

The Buena Vista Social Club is an excellent band as well (so I hear, but I have never heard their music). I plan to check them out as I have heard nothing but good things about them. I think the fines that they could charge me if I was found out to have been there would definitely be a problem for me if I was caught, as well as the fact that I was (and kind of still am) actively pursuing a career in the Foreign Service and having snuck off to Cuba might not look too good on my background check results. So I have stayed away so far and hope and pray for a reversal of the embargo in the near future.
 

Chirimoya

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Apparently, it's the only country in the world that hasn't got either a Mac Donalds, Burger King or KFC... so if you needed an excuse to go there, that's it!
I doubt they have them in Iran, Somalia, Bhutan or North Korea. I don't think they even have them in Haiti. KFC possibly but the other two definitely not. The only one I know for sure is there is Domino's Pizza.

suitelady79 said:
I didn't see a McDonalds, Burger King or KFC in the DR--do they exist there?
Yes to all three.
 

AnnaC

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I remember a time you couldn't even find a bag of chips in the DR except maybe at the airport. Now it's covered in junk food. ;)


Yes the the Buena Vista Social Club band is excellent. My son bought it for me one Christmas right here in Canada.

PS
their CD that is not the band :laugh:
 

KeithF

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North Korea, now that's a good shout! Probably not one there yet! (Starbucks maybe!)

True exchange of conversation from a tour in Cuba...

The tour guide said "Cuba is the only country in the world without a McDonalds" (although we've pretty well debunked that one today!).

A Canadian woman at the front of the coach asked "what about Burger King?" "No ma-am" he replied, almost with pride in his voice.
"KFC?"
"err, not one of those either"


She was stunned for a moment and then said "well what about the children? Don't they miss them?

Poor lad had no idea how to politely respond to that one!
 

NALs

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Keith,

You can be as snotty as you want! LOL--but only because I enjoy reading your stories! I didn't see a McDonalds, Burger King or KFC in the DR--do they exist there?
Do you travel outside of the resorts when you visit the DR?

KFC - Santo Domingo and in Santiago

McDonalds - Santo Domingo, Santiago, and in San Pedro de Macoris

Burger King - it's the most widespread. Not only do you find stand alone restaurants in Santo Domingo, Santiago, etc but they seem to have team up with Shell. Everywhere there is a Shell gas station, not too far there is a Burger King. Often enough, the gas station shop is the Burger King.

-NALs
 

NALs

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She was stunned for a moment and then said "well what about the children? Don't they miss them?

Poor lad had no idea how to politely respond to that one!
That was halarious! :p

-NALs
 

aegap

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It will mean nothing, Dominican tourism will remain strong and well.
 

something_of_the_night

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She was stunned for a moment and then said "well what about the children? Don't they miss them?

Poor lad had no idea how to politely respond to that one!

The overly used "What about the children?" reared its conservative head one too many times. Classic.
 

shadInToronto

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The sky won't fall .....

Cuba would be another vacation destination for American tourists if future American administrations decide to lift its trade embargo (not UN embargo) on Cuba. There are many other vacation spots in the Caribbean that compete with the DR but the tourism sector is still growing.
 

sosuajames

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DR and Cuba are priced the same from our home in canada. my wife and i got deathly ill in sosua two years ago and havn't been back since. at the resorts in cuba you can actually drink from the taps. the constant "check out my shop" and people pulling you into their stores has turned off many of the people here that travel there. the sickness has to stop. review after review of sickness. seems to be a feb-march thing. we have been to the north coast 5 times and some form of sickness each time, but the last time we couldn't get out of bed for days. couldn't eat, drink nothing. it was the worst thing i have ever lived through. been to jamaica twice since and no sickness. cuba twice since then and no sickness.

havana/veradero trip coming this feb......can't wait
 

A.Hidalgo

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DR and Cuba are priced the same from our home in canada. my wife and i got deathly ill in sosua two years ago and havn't been back since. at the resorts in cuba you can actually drink from the taps. the constant "check out my shop" and people pulling you into their stores has turned off many of the people here that travel there. the sickness has to stop. review after review of sickness. seems to be a feb-march thing. we have been to the north coast 5 times and some form of sickness each time, but the last time we couldn't get out of bed for days. couldn't eat, drink nothing. it was the worst thing i have ever lived through. been to jamaica twice since and no sickness. cuba twice since then and no sickness.

havana/veradero trip coming this feb......can't wait

Well this is one tourist that the DR lost without the opening of Cuba. Either do something about the water or hand out anti-diarrheal tablets at the airport.:ermm:
 

Dominican0102

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Well honestly I think Cuba will be a tough competitor against DR if it were ready....But u got to admit that DR is in top of the game..even Puerto rico is loosing!!! DR a mecca for carribean tourism and is rising every day as new resorts are coming out and more international airports. Cuba will rise..but for now its gonna take Cuba ALOT!!!! to catch up...were on fire baby...4 million tourist by the end of 2006...