The DR Breaks Ties with Taiwan, Unites with China

Do you think the DR has a lot to gain with its new relations with China?

  • Yes

    Votes: 17 68.0%
  • No

    Votes: 8 32.0%

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NALs

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Rosa Ng, one of the leaders of the Dominican-Chinese community (she herself is half Dominican -Santiago- and half Chinese), says her efforts to make the DR recognize one China and establish diplomatic relations was part of her life mission and she's now satisfied to see this come true.

She has been living in China for the past few years representing Dominican interests and inviting Chinese businesses to invest in the DR.

The video was made four days ago in China, but it's in Spanish.

[video=youtube;PzP4ymhIuoQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzP4ymhIuoQ[/video]
 

NALs

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Back in September 2017 Doña Rosa was interviewed in Enfoque Matinal and she clarifies the grat impact China already had in the DR. In fact, China already became the second largest importing partner of the DR and Doña Rosa says she thinks its probably greater because the official import statistics only cover direct importations from China. She says that many Chinese products are also imported via Panama and the USA. Those items appear as Panamanian or American products in the statistics, but in reality they are Chinese in origin.

[video=youtube;zT9WYURGjPk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT9WYURGjPk[/video]

With the formalization of diplomatic relations this will only increase.
 

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DR1 News......

DR to sign aviation agreement with China

The president of the Civil Aviation Board (JAC), Luis Ernesto Camilo announced that before the end of the year the Dominican Republic will have signed an aviation agreement with the People’s Republic of China. The agreement follows the opening of formal diplomatic relations between the two countries announced on 30 April 2018.

Camilo said that the number of Chinese travelers to the Dominican Republic had already increased 65% in 2017 compared to the previous year. From China, at present the best connections are through New York City, USA, Toronto, Canada or Sao Paulo in Brazil.

Camilo highlighted that World Tourism Organization statistics indicate that Chinese travelers are the big spenders. He said estimates are that Chinese travelers spent US$257 billion in their travels, compared to US$135 billion by the US travelers. He highlighted that 127 million Chinese traveled abroad in 2017.

The Dominican Republic has yet to complete the process to be recognized as an official destination for Chinese travelers by the PRC.

http://www.jac.gob.do/index.php/noti...rvicios-aereos


Time to attract Chinese tourists

After the announcement of the signing of diplomatic relations with the People’s Republic of China, Tourism Minister Francisco Javier García met on Thursday, 3 May 2018, with the commercial representative of China Xinrong Fu García to speak of new challenges and opportunities ahead for both nations. García said that the new relations with the Asian giant "open a whole range of opportunities for Chinese investors to know the good levels of profitability that exist in the Dominican Republic."

He also considered that this decision of the Dominican Government is an important step to get more Chinese to come to the country to know the Dominican idiosyncrasy and culture, thus contributing to obtain the goal of 10 million tourists by 2022, since China is the source of the highest amount of tourists in the world.

He also announced that in the coming days he will hold a meeting with the Association of Hotels and Tourism of the Dominican Republic (Asonahores), to assess the impact that, from the tourist point of view, the new relations with China will have for the country.

The Minister of Tourism said that the President of the Republic, Danilo Medina, has been interested, since the beginning of his administration, in establishing diplomatic relations with China.

For its part, the Chinese trade representative Xinrong Fu said that work now starts on steps to materialize the contents of the agreement.

On Monday, 30 April 2018, the Dominican Republic and China announced the establishment of diplomatic relations. The surprise announcement meant the Dominican Republic severed diplomatic ties with the Republic of China (Taiwan) that had been maintained for more than 75 years.

http://mitur.gob.do/ministro-turismo...re-china-y-rd/


Even the news today about Club Med, Miches is Chinese related since the Chinese now own Club Med.

The only sectors saying the deal is bad for DR, is Taiwan and some American commentators and politicians.

Since this is a DR forum...go DR!
 

Riva_31

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Yesterday I saw online an interview and when the representant of China in DR talked about turism, she said few important things.

1.- To declare Dominican Republic as a turist destination for Chinees, that mean that all travel agencies will offer packages to visit Dominican Republic.

2.- That we will have to creat a route because the Chinees love to go out spend money, so that mean that we will be getting a diferent kind of turist that they dont like to travel just to see a nice beach and this si a great oportunity for Santo Domingo that they arrive into Santo Domingo and from there they can move to east, north or south as they want and will be x distance to all those areas.

I have a friend living in Thailand and he has visited DR and he said to me, They have also tropical beaches in Asia closer and cheaper to visit as beautiful as Dominican beaches, so no body is going to pay a lot money to come to see same beach, DR has to offer something else to make them to come.
 

PJT

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Playing the field is over

Think the DR was better off playing the field, courting both suitors, Taiwan and People's Republic of China. It had the ability to play one against the other for its benefit. China does have a lot to offer. Now, the DR has taken China's bait and will swoon for a while with the goodies it brings to the table. The DR's politicians and their like really don't care about the decision as long as they can fill their own pockets with the brand new benefits of office provided by China. They will not have to pay back the debt on the profit they take. The country's treasury will have that burden when the debts for China's assistance come due. Think taxes.

China is expanding its orbit.


Regards,

PJT
 

Riva_31

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Think the DR was better off playing the field, courting both suitors, Taiwan and People's Republic of China. It had the ability to play one against the other for its benefit. China does have a lot to offer. Now, the DR has taken China's bait and will swoon for a while with the goodies it brings to the table. The DR's politicians and their like really don't care about the decision as long as they can fill their own pockets with the brand new benefits of office provided by China. They will not have to pay back the debt on the profit they take. The country's treasury will have that burden when the debts for China's assistance come due. Think taxes.

China is expanding its orbit.


Regards,

PJT

Roles just switched now, before official ties was with Taiwan and we was making business with China, now official ties are with China and we will continue doing business with Taiwan.
 

KyleMackey

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Does China mettles in the internal affairs of other countries or do they just do business?

A month ago Roberto Rosario finally said the reason his US visa was cancelled last year. He was pressured by then US Ambassador Walley to accept Haitian nationals as if they were Dominicans the Civil Registry, even though that was prohibited by Dominican law. After Roberto Rosario made it clear he was not going to succumb to foreign pressures in what is essentially an internal matter of the Dominican government, it was made public through the media that Roberto Rosario's visa had been cancelled.

[video=youtube;D4f5AEZcNNU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4f5AEZcNNU[/video]

BTW, you can activate automatic translated subtitles in the video by doing the following:

1. On the lower right corner of the video, press on the rectangle on the left end.

2. Press on the round sign next to that (it has an HD red box on its upper right).

3. Click where it says subtitles, then click on 'automatic translate' (traducir automáticamente).

4. Scroll and click on your language.

Subtitles in your language of what is being said in the video should pop up in the video.

Would not surprise me, the slime and filth of the last administration is slowly being exposed to sunlight.
 

PICHARDO

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China Recognizes Dominican Republic — We Should Worry




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By Evan Ellis
Tuesday, 08 May 2018 12:25 PM




On May 1, 2018, the Dominican Republic established diplomatic ties with the People’s Republic of China (PRC), obligating the Republic of China (ROC) to cut its own 77-year long political relationship with the country. The change by the Dominican government left just 19 countries globally that officially recognize the ROC as the legitimate government of all of China.

Of these, 10 of the remaining (more than half) are in Latin America and the Caribbean.

The official acceptance of the Dominican government’s action by the PRC provided further indication that the informal "diplomatic truce" that prevailed with the PRC during the KMT government of Ma Jing-yeou in Taiwan from 2008 until 2016 has come to an end. Following elections in Taiwan in January 2016 that brought to power Tsai Ing-wen and her Democratic Progressive Party to power led the PRC to again accept the offers of (and even to court), countries wishing to change their diplomatic relations from Taiwan to the PRC.

The initial PRC steps in this direction began in Africa with the PRC establishing diplomatic relations with Gambia in March 2016, followed by Sao Tome and Principe in December. That renewed competition extended to Latin America in June of 2017 with Panama’s recognition of the PRC.

The recent similar act by the Dominican Republic indicates that the PRC will continue its diplomatic struggle with Taiwan in the Western Hemisphere, with further recognizing the PRC even prior to the end of 2018 not unthinkable. Yet whichever country is next to change its diplomatic posture on China, the concentration of the countries still recognizing the ROC in Central America (Belize, El Salvador Guatemala, Honduras and Nicaragua) and the Caribbean (Haiti, St. Kitts and Nevis, the Grenadines and St. Lucia) suggests that the struggle, and the gestures that accompany it on China’s part, will bring about a significant increase in Chinese commerce, loans, investment activities, and even military engagement in the near term, in uncomfortably close proximity to US shores.

In the days since the Dominican Republic’s change, the associated activity and discourse has followed a familiar pattern. The Dominican government gave Taiwan 30 days to retire its diplomatic personnel, and Taiwan announced the immediate suspension of its aid programs.

Although the Taiwanese government accused the PRC of bribing the Dominican Republic with $3 billion in loans to change their position (a criticism echoed by U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla.), the Dominican government denied that it had received any quid pro quo from the PRC for its action, other than assurances that Dominicans studying in Taiwan on scholarships would have the opportunity to continue their studies in the PRC (presumably via funds from the PRC organization Hanban).

As in other cases, the change in diplomatic recognition by the Dominican Republic has raised hope within its business community for an expansion in the nation’s exports to the PRC. The country’s lopsided trade balance with mainland China is not atypical, particularly for states lacking relations with mainland China. During the period 2012 to 2016, the Dominican Republic’s total exports to the PRC, $1.3 billion, were eclipsed by imports from China of $6.54 billion.

Indeed, prior to the change, Dominican exports to the PRC had been steadily declining, from $273.8 million in 2015 to $85 million in 2017. Also paralleling the experience of many other Latin American and Caribbean countries, Dominican exports to the PRC are mostly comprised of low value added commodities, including copper, nickel, and zinc, while its imports from the PRC include a broad range of higher value added manufactured goods.

While some Dominican businessmen have expressed the hope that their government’s diplomatic recognition of the PRC will help expand the country’s traditional agricultural exports to continental China, such benefits have been limited in other cases, due to the cost-prohibitive nature of shipping perishable food products long distances across the Pacific, where the PRC has more cost-effective ways of obtaining such undifferentiated goods from its Asian neighbors.

Beyond expanded commerce, Dominicans clearly hope that diplomatically recognizing the PRC will attract more investment in the Caribbean country from PRC-based firms. Reflecting the prior lack of incentives for Chinese companies to invest in the Dominican Republic without diplomatic relations (and the difficulties of doing so), only nine PRC-based companies currently operate in the country, although another three are reportedly setting up shop.

The PRC’s commercial representative in the Dominican Republic Fu Xinrong expressed optimism that diplomatic recognition would facilitate the advance of an estimated $800 million in proposed investment by these Chinese firms in progress prior to the announcement (to include a project on the Yuna river, the construction of low cost housing, and a plant for generating energy by recycling trash). Yet the more significant investment, to the extent it arrives, will likely come from other PRC-based companies.

Dynamics to Watch For

While neither the Dominican nor the Chinese governments have advanced a roadmap of actions to develop their newly forged relationship in the coming months, the record of other governments in the region that have gone through the process with the PRC suggest a number of likely activities:

First Dominican Republic will likely open an embassy in Beijing in the coming weeks, leveraging preparations that have probably been underway in secret in the PRC for some time. In the Dominican Republic, where keeping secrets involving buildings, people, and major administrative arrangements is not as easy, an embassy for the PRC will probably be opened in several months.

Beyond diplomatic activities, negotiations are probably already underway regarding which of the Dominican Republic’s universities will host the Confucius Institute that will almost inevitably be established in Santo Domingo to facilitate the promulgation of PRC- sanctioned Chinese language and cultural studies in the country.

As occurred after Panama recognized the PRC, the Dominican Republic could open negotiations for a free trade agreement, which would not only facilitate commerce with the PRC, but position the Dominican Republic to receive investment from Chinese companies interested in exporting goods into the U.S. market taking advantage of the access provided to the U.S. from the country under the terms of the Central American Free Trade Accord (CAFTA-DR), to which the Dominican Republic is a signatory.

The expanded investment and loan-funded projects that occur in the Dominican Republic are likely to principally occur in the six business areas officially sanctioned by the PRC government in its "1 plus 3 plus 6" engagement concept (and the 2019-2021 China-CELAC plan) as priorities (energy and resources; infrastructure construction; agriculture; manufacturing; scientific and technological innovation; and information technology).

Candidates for Chinese projects include mining, construction (with companies such as China Harbour, Sinohydro, and China State Construction and Engineering already established in the Caribbean), electricity (including both large Chinese companies such as State Grid, and component providers for wind and solar generation), manufacturing (such as the assembly of Chinese goods for export to the U.S) and retail (including the import of Chinese motorcycles, cars, appliances, consumer electronics, and other products).

As in other parts of the Caribbean such as Guyana and Suriname, projects performed by Chinese companies will likely bring Chinese workers into the country, or facilitate the arrival of others through human smuggling networks, affecting the size and dynamics of the ethnic Chinese community there. Prior to the diplomatic recognition of the PRC, that community had been shrinking, and is currently estimated to number approximately 3,000 people,with an estimated 500-700 Chinese restaurants and other small stores in Santo Domingo’s "Chinatown" district.

The incoming PRC ambassador, when he or she arrives, will confront the task of not only reaching out to Dominican business and other interest groups, but also in building ties with the Chinese-Dominican community, which for almost a century, until just last week, had arguably been a pillar of the Taiwanese government’s engagement with the country.

Beyond its expansion and its relationship to the PRC embassy, the Chinese-Dominican community will likely, in part, try to exploit the new engagement with the PRC as a business opportunity, focusing on marketing themselves as culturally aligned, knowledgeable, politically-connected insiders for the wave of Chinese businessmen who will soon be making officially-encouraged trips to the island, as well as for the Dominican businessmen who seek to travel to the PRC.

Indeed, one of the principal leaders of the Chinese-Dominican community in Santo Domingo, Rosa Ng, was part of the official delegation that traveled to the PRC with Dominican foreign Minister Miguel Vargas, meeting with Chinese Vice President Wang Qishan, among others.

Beyond the country’s borders, the Dominican Republic’s recognition of the PRC will also affect its neighbor Haiti. Although Haiti has declared its intention to continue its own diplomatic relations with Taiwan, the new contrast between the diplomatic choice of two countries sharing the island of Hispaniola will only reinforce other differences and historic sources of tension between them.

Outside Hispaniola, the nine nations in Central America and the Caribbean continuing to recognize Taiwan will closely watch how PRC engagement with the Dominican Republic plays out, in order to decide whether the time has come for them to also "make their move," and thus avoid the lesser benefits they may ultimately receive from Beijing if they are one of the last states in the region to change their own diplomatic position.

Recommendations

From a U.S. perspective, the Dominican Republic’s recognition of the PRC makes it more important than ever to remain engaged with the country, and with the Caribbean and Latin America more broadly, as a pillar of US security and prosperity.

On the economic front, the U.S. should be particularly attentive to Chinese companies setting up manufacturing facilities to import Chinese goods into the US from the Dominican Republic, to ensure that the domestic content provisions of CAFTA-DR are adhered to.

In the security domain, U.S. Southern Command and the Office of the Secretary of Defense for Western Hemisphere Affairs should monitor (to the extent possible) the likely forthcoming People’s Liberation Army initiatives to bring senior Dominican officials to the PRC for training, professional military education activities, and other official visits which may give the Chinese the opportunity to evaluate and secure leverage over them. U.S. defense authorities should similarly monitor gifts of military materiel (including non-lethal goods) and the sale of military hardware (likely on credit) to the under-resourced Dominican army.

The Dominican Armed Forces have a close relationship with the U.S., including almost universal training of the Dominican officer corps in U.S. doctrine and procedures at the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation (WHINSEC), yet are arguably vulnerable to courtship at both the personal and institutional levels by the Chinese. Similarly, appropriate U.S. authorities should closely follow Chinese law enforcement collaboration against organized crime, where such collaboraton is publicly acknowledged by the Chinese as an area of interest in working more closely with the region, and which will logically be sought by the Dominicans to replace help previously provided by the Taiwanese government.

Indeed, the PRC has already provided such assistance to the Argentine government (in the fight against the Chinese triad Pixiu, and probably in Panama and elsewhere), yet such law enforcement collaboration would also facilitate expanded security collaboration with the PRC, and by association. Organizations that currently work closely with the U.S., such as the country’s counterdrug organization DNCD, are arguably particularly important in this regard.

In strategic terms, the change in diplomatic recognition by the Dominican Republic should expand attention by U.S. analysts and policymakers regarding the expansion of Chinese influence in areas close to the U.S., such as Central America and the Caribbean.

Indeed, beyond the impact on the Dominican Republic itself, the perceived benefits of such engagement may prompt other nations in those subregions and the Caribbean to follow the Dominican lead to switch diplomatic recognition from Taiwan to the PRC, creating a cascading effect that expands the PRC’s commercial and military presence and associated influence in the region far more rapidly than the Dominican Republic’s act of diplomatic recognition alone would indicate.

Expanding PRC influence in the region cascading from the Dominican Republic’s action could be also be magnified by other dynamics, including resentment toward Washington from states such as Honduras because of the loss of "temporary protected status" for their immigrants in the United States, or the search by Guatemalan elites for a counterweight to US support for the CICIG anti-crime commission.

In Mexico, if Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador (AMLO) wins the country’s July 2018 presidential election, which is likely, then his political discourse, in combination with Mexico’s historic influence in Central America and the Caribbean, could push the region toward greater political independence from the United States, just as its new diplomatic ties with the PRC is re-orienting and giving it the resources to pursue such a course.

The recognition of the PRC by the Dominican Republic, while not catastrophic for the U.S., should be a wake-up call for U.S. policymakers concerning the value of the region for the prosperity and security of the U.S., and the importance of dedicating to it the attention and resources that it deserves.

Dr. Evan Ellis is Senior Non-Resident Fellow at CSIS, and Professor of Latin American and Caribbean Studies. His work focuses on security and defense issues, including transnational organized crime, populism, and the region’s relationships with China and other non-Western Hemisphere actors. Dr. Ellis has published over 210 works, including three books, and has presented his work in 26 countries across four continents. He has testified on multiple occasions regarding Latin America and the Caribbean before the U.S. Congress, and his work regularly appears in the media in both the U.S. and the region. Through his work, Dr. Ellis calls attention to the strategic importance of Latin America and the Caribbean for the United States through bonds of geography, commerce, and family, and how the prosperity and security of the U.S. are tied to that of its partners in the region. To read more of his reports — Click Here Now.



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How China Got Sri Lanka to Cough Up a Port

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/world/asia/china-sri-lanka-port.html

The case is one of the most vivid examples of China’s ambitious use of loans and aid to gain influence around the world — and of its willingness to play hardball to collect.

The debt deal also intensified some of the harshest accusations about President Xi Jinping’s signature Belt and Road Initiative: that the global investment and lending program amounts to a debt trap for vulnerable countries around the world, fueling corruption and autocratic behavior in struggling democracies.

And you are done.
 

NALs

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The Chinese government's representative in the DR (I guess she's now the ambassador) had quite a chuckle when she was asked why the USA is nervous that of the strengthening relationship between the DR and China. She said that the USA is a factory of lies, while chuckling.

The video is in Spanish, but her chuckling is very clear. From 3:06 she chuckles at what Taiwan did after the news hit the stands, and from 7:05 she touches on what the USA did.

[video=youtube;Dl-obzWROZw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl-obzWROZw[/video]

These are chuckles of superiority, of a winner. They are the laugh that says 'you guys are over and you know it.' She even says that the USA envy China. lol
 
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No. Stop. Don't.

The Chinese government's representative in the DR (I guess she's now the ambassador) had quite a chuckle when she was asked why the USA is nervous that of the strengthening relationship between the DR and China. She said that the USA is a factory of lies, while chuckling.

These are chuckles of superiority, of a winner.

You betcha

They are the laugh that says 'you guys are over and you know it.'

Too bad Dominicans don't realize it...

She even says that the USA envy China. lol

That's why millions of Americans are immigrating to China and not the other way around. Oh, wait...

More like the derisive laugh Hitler had when he returned from signing the agreement with Neville Chamberlain. She laughing at you...

I have only left to say to the Dominican people:



[video=youtube;W9ZD3_ppcPE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9ZD3_ppcPE[/video]
 
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Kenya Risks Losing Its Port to the Chinese over Increasing Debt

Is Kenya China’s New Colony? 70% of Kenya’s External Debt Comes from China

https://sokodirectory.com/2018/07/i...-70-of-kenyas-external-debt-comes-from-china/

The common phrase among many Kenyans and which the political class does not want to hear about is that Kenya stopped being a working nation, became a walking nation and now it is officially a borrowing nation.

Word has it that Kenya might be losing her port in Mombasa to the Chinese over the ever-skyrocketing debt with the inability to pay back on time.