The Level of Education!

[Funnyyale26]

Ese "cambio" que tu quieres no tiene sentido comun. Tu quieres comunismo y eso nunca a sido la solucion a problemas que tenga el capitalismo.
Y a donde a triunfado el socialismo? bajate de esa nube compai!

Yo me sentir?a m?s orgullosa de ser dominicana, si la gente de mi pa?s tuviera m?s educaci?n (Cuba) o se invirtiera mas en la educaci?n (Costa Rica, invirtiendo 8 % del PIB) O si no se estuviera sufriendo de calamidades que ya hace tiempo debieron de haber sido erradicadas en el pa?s (El Dengue).

Yo pienso que a todo esos traidores del estado, lo mejor es cogerlo del cocote y que mueran ahorcados...es preferible un pa?s donde se respeten las leyes, que tenga dignidad a un estado de mierrrrda como estamos viviendo ahora.

 

[Don Juan]

Funnyyale, I feel your pain. I too am highly frustrated by all the wasted government spending that sacrifices education, medical care and ignore so many more other necessities. to pay for a white elephant such as the metro project and an army of leaches/parasites in our armed forces.

Did you know some of them are behind the theft of electricity wires? I wonder if they'll ever be prosecuted?
I agree that these traitors in high places should hung until they're dead and their bodies thrown to the sharks!

 

[rotondo]

Many People Buying In To Castros Myth What Good Does It Do
For Someone To Become A Doctor If He Is Going To Be Sent To Africa
Haiti-venezuela And If He Is Not =he Has To Try To Work In The Tourist Industry-the Medicines Have To Be Sent From Relatives That Are Living In Exile All Over The World

 

[Texas Bill]

It seems to me that------

In the DR, the people vote for a change every 4 yeaars, hoping that the NEXT Administration will be better than the last and will PROVIDE for the necessities of a decent existance for the people.

Well, I have news for the country.

Until such things as Basic Consideration for their neighbor, vocalization of their outrage over the way things are run in Government, Insistance on Honesty, Integrity and Transparancy in the executions of government social and economic programs, relinquishing the attitude of "gimme, gimme, gimme" demanded of government, demand thaat REAL EDUCATION be provided for their children instead of the ROTE PARROTING of course outlines presently used, demand that projects, once begun are completed, solve the problems in the Electric Sector, ON and ON and ON.
The existing problems would require VOLUMES to renumerate and there isn't enough time or space for that.
As to Freedom, it is something that is earned by sacrifice and continuous alertness to political maneuvering by unscrupulous elected officials who only want "their share" of the pie.
The sooner Dominicans realize that they are living in a modern-day FEUDALISTIC environment and take those necessary steps to eliminate that scenario, the better off they will be. It's just that a lack of historical knowledge and adequate education is at fault and that lack rests squarely in the laps of a series of Governments that strive for keeping the Status Quo.
The mechanism for good Government is embodied in the Constitution and the extended Laws. Their PROPER implimentation is the ingredient that is lacking in the existing society.

Therin lies the problem and the solution.

Can Dominicans rise to the challange???

I think so, given time and guidance by those who THIMK!!

Whew!! That was certainly a mouthful, now wasn't it???

Texas Bill

 

[Mirador]

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Whew!! That was certainly a mouthful, now wasn't it???

Texas Bill

Too bad most people are deaf, and miss the earful!!!

 

[cobraboy]

The mechanism for good Government is embodied in the Constitution and the extended Laws. Their PROPER implimentation is the ingredient that is lacking in the existing society.

Therin lies the problem and the solution.

Texas Bill

Yup. I don't see a lot wrong with the basic ~structure~ of government. It's the ~people~ within.

I've said before: the #1 thing that needs to be implemented is a strong and fair Civil Service System. Once patronage for basic bureaucratic jobs is eliminated, things have a much better chance of changing, and efficiency follows.

 

[dv8]

Dude, which is more important: 1) education/healthcare or 2) freedom? How many thousands did Castro butcher and imprison for the last 45+ years before the population became tranquil?

I hope dv8 weighs in with her opinions. SHE grew up under Communism.

there i go:
i am sorry to say but all people from my generation will say "f*** the freedom, we want freebies"...

communism in a mild form - like in poland 15 years ago - is beneficial - great free education, healthcare and start in life guaranteed (system offered small apartments for minimal fee paid over the years, say, you have a kid and for 18 years of its life you pay 5 bucks a month, with 18th birthday they get a small studio flat that can be later exchanged - again free - for bigger flat when they start family).

polish education is on a very high level but most highly educated people leave the country to work abroad. i imagine DR would be the same. minovio's sister just graduated from PUCMM, lots of her friends with good grades already have offers of work in the states...

 

[dv8]

funnyyale, trust me communism may be in some way better than capitalism but communists as people are far worse that any greedy fat chopo in his jeepata with pockets stuffed with government money.

did you know that grat famine - on orders of stalin - in ukraine in 1933 has taken 7 million lives? that is a quarted of ukraine's poplulation at a time.
even poland had its share of deaths at the beggining of communism times, people arrested without charges...

of course we gringos see bad things about DR - we know what can be done better, we have seen it done better in our countries!
to me it looks that DR does not need a change in government, it needs a change in people's hearts. and that takes time, maybe generations, to learn how to do things - your own way.
we can all agree that DR needs better education system but we cannot look at poland, USA, canada to do it here the same way. DR is different and it needs different approach to things...

 

[Alyonka]

funnyyale, trust me communism may be in some way better than capitalism but communists as people are far worse that any greedy fat chopo in his jeepata with pockets stuffed with government money.

did you know that grat famine - on orders of stalin - in ukraine in 1933 has taken 7 million lives? that is a quarted of ukraine's poplulation at a time.
even poland had its share of deaths at the beggining of communism times, people arrested without charges...

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It is not communism it is worship of personalities such as Stalin and Hitler. Communism has nothing to do with it. There were a lot of decent people among communists. They ended up dead or in jail because of crazy governmental officials.

 

[El_Uruguayo]

From my experience, living in 2 countries (Canada, Uruguay) that have achieved a "welfare" state, they seem to do well. Uruguay has fallen off the track a bit, but is coming back. Anyhow, it's not outright communism, but a mixed economy, with good social services. And their economies are doing well, especially Canada. Not that the DR is really comparable, it has 1/3 of the population and is about 1/220 the size, but education and healthcare could go a long way, and removing church influence a little. I think one of the major setbacks is over-population, or families having more kids than they can sustain. This goes back to education, if women and men knew a little more about contraception, they might have less kids and be able to advance better.

 

[candice]

Educate women

From my experience, living in 2 countries (Canada, Uruguay) that have achieved a "welfare" state, they seem to do well. Uruguay has fallen off the track a bit, but is coming back. Anyhow, it's not outright communism, but a mixed economy, with good social services. And their economies are doing well, especially Canada. Not that the DR is really comparable, it has 1/3 of the population and is about 1/220 the size, but education and healthcare could go a long way, and removing church influence a little. I think one of the major setbacks is over-population, or families having more kids than they can sustain. This goes back to education, if women and men knew a little more about contraception, they might have less kids and be able to advance better.

The Education of women period, is what helps society move on. Most women know about birth control. Being able to secure good paying jobs provides a reason to use the knowlege of birth control. Poor uneducated women in most societies, including Canada are the demographic that have higher birth rates.

 

[Texas Bill]

A great deal of the lack of -------

effective "birth contol" and therefore uncontrolled increases in the populations of less affluent (read "educated" ) countries has it's roots in the religeous philosophies being practiced world wide.
I'm not against "faith-based" beliefs, but have always felt that religeous leaders create a tremendous amount of conflict within the populations they serve.

Human beings go to great lengths to protect the species through the medium of varoius charity organizations, calling on the world population to support their individual efforts of feeding, housing and providing necessary health incentives. These area primarily of a nature of "emtional appeal" directed towards the more affluent nations populations and are generally quite effective in gaining the funds they seek for their individual purposes and goals.

What is incongruous is that these charitable organizations very seldom seek funds for schools through which to educate affected populations and thereby increaase their knowledge base on how to personally combat that which is keeping them from progressing on to a better and more productive lifestyle.

The UN deals with the governents instead of going directly to the people most affected. Most of the governments which do not deal with their own social problems are of a very corrupt nature, yet the UN continues to funnel funds into those entities. The result is that the funds so appropriated never reach the affected populations and become ineffective in solving the problems.

It is my belief that the efforts of the UN are, from a practical standpoint, useless or minimally effective in their goals.

This discourse may be "Off the OP" but it is germane to the issues having been put forth by various posters.

The same logic is applicable to the DR and within the context of the matters being discussed.

We have, in the DR, an excessive number of "squeeky wheels" that all demand to be greased by the government. And that government, in seeking continuity of venue, makes feeble attempts to grease those wheels to the detriment of the overall society.

The biggest problem, as I see it, is even if the DR were to become a totally socialist state, it would become bankrupt within a very few years because it hasn't the resevoir of natural resources to sustain such an economic/political model. Already, the government take and improper distribution of the country's wealth is becoming overwhelmingly obvious. I don't think the "Elite" AND the middle class will bear the burden indefinately.

Texas Bill

 

[Don Juan]

Totally agree.....

That not only is the lack of formal education compounded by the lack of information AND religious tenets, that contributes most to the overpopulation of a nation that can ill-afford to take care of its own.

Have you notice how prosperous nations tend to have low birth-rates? And why is that?... It is, as we all know, because they are educated, informed and religion does NOT dictate their decisions in life.

An educated population can and will plan their course of action when it comes to having children. They're not under pressure from their spouse, government or religion to decide if and when to procreate.

The topic of this thread is "The level of education" in DR... Education is paramount to achieving prosperity and thereby happiness.

What did the United States founding fathers stipulate in their bill of rights?
Among many, the "pursue of happiness".

My beloved DR will never achieve prosperity/happiness if it does not achieve freedom from illiteracy, poverty and last but not least: secular orientation.

Too many of us haven't got a clue as to what reality is all about. I wish a miracle would take place and education become the priority that common sense tells us, it should be.....Alas!

 

[Berzin]

Leave the concept of freedom for people who know how to handle it (Americans/Europeans) people that more or less don't abuse freedom. We Dominicans (I am not speaking about Latin Americans in general) need a jefe that would keep people under control, at least for now, someone like Castro.

When you read, every day in the press, that a politician or a government leader is stealing away the little that a country has, I think its far better the option of communism.

Weak latin-american countries tied to the tit of the US dollar is what US foreign policy is all about. America will NEVER let things in the DR get so out of hand that healthcare and education will be improved.

Believe me when I tell you that americans have no concept of the responsibility that comes with living in a democracy. If we did we(and the rest of the world) would'nt be suffering this idiot we have now for a president.

If you follow political science at all you will see that we are nothing but a fiefdom for large corporations to thrive while for the rest its' dog-eat-dog.

Just because we live better than the average dominican here in the states does'nt mean we're free of governent-sanctioned corruption and corporate greed.

 

[Don Juan]

What does US foreign policy have to do with Dominican health care and education?
Our internal deficiencies have absolutely, directly or indirectly, nothing to do with the US.
Why do we need to blame our shortcomings on anyone other than where it belongs: on the stupidity of the DR government!
Stop the US bashing, darn it!!!

 

[candice]

US internal policy

What does US foreign policy have to do with Dominican health care and education?
Our internal deficiencies have absolutely, directly or indirectly, nothing to do with the US.
Why do we need to blame our shortcomings on anyone other than where it belongs: on the stupidity of the DR government!
Stop the US bashing, darn it!!!

You are correct about foreign policy. If you don't have oil the US has no policy or "LIBERATION" plans for you either. Internally, if you are not a rich white male in the US there is no policy for you. Your children will have little access to good health care and will have substandard education. The US used to be a proud and free country. Never socialist but always with a feeling of equality. As time goes by it is harder to tell who is better off; poor dominicans or poor US citizens. The average high school hallway in an inner city.school is scarry. More frightening than a downtown SD back ally.

 

[cobraboy]

And y'all wonder why Chip00 left.

Yet another Bash the US thread by folks that obviously failed US Civics.

Moonbats are everywhere.

 

[candice]

is chip on a mission?

And y'all wonder why Chip00 left.

Yet another Bash the US thread by folks that obviously failed US Civics.

Moonbats are everywhere.

Maybe Chip is busy running for public office to bring back the USA that used to be. You know the one that wanted to accept "the poor and huddled masses." Those great americans are still there. They need to organize. They need to show the world how to give people equality and education as they used to do only a few short years ago. The education system that they developed used to be the best and most universally available in the world. Now it is for the wealthy. Maybe Chip and like minded americans can give that back to the people instead of letting things insult them. I think america is a great nation but its citizens may have become too dependant and trusting of their leaders as its freedoms and rights are erroding and dissapearing into history books that no-one is able to read.

 

[Berzin]

And y'all wonder why Chip00 left.

Yet another Bash the US thread by folks that obviously failed US Civics.

Moonbats are everywhere.

Go see the documentary "Life and Debt", about how the World Bank deals with globalization and their policies for lending money to developing nations. It will encapsulize why and how their policies succeed in developing greater amounts of poverty for the masses.

Read a book called "Bitter Fruit" about US foriegn relations in Guatemala and you will further understand Americas's affect on Latin America and the carribean.

Read further still about the current dealings the DR has with the US and its ecomomic relationship in terms of loans and debt repayment(that's if you know how how to read) and you may see what I see and understand that it has nothing to do with US bashing but everything to do with what is actually going on, which you can't sugarcoat with an ignorant sarcastic remark I"m afraid.

 

[Funnyyale26]

Read further still about the current dealings the DR has with the US and its ecomomic relationship in terms of loans and debt repayment(that's if you know how how to read) and you may see what I see and understand that it has nothing to do with US bashing but everything to do with what is actually going on, which you can't sugarcoat with an ignorant sarcastic remark I"m afraid.

Big second...lo que pasa es co?o que la verdad duele, carajo. Quiera Chip00 entenderlo o no, su pa?s siempre ha apoyado a estos monstruos que gobiernan a Latinoam?rica, para llevarse su tajada, no joda. Como dije antes, es cierto que nuestros gobiernos corruptos tienen la mayor parte de la culpa, pero el que niegue que EEUU nos ha hecho da?o con sus pol?ticas exteriores de libre mercado, es un BUEN JABLADOR! (para decirlo en dominicano ).