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DrChrisHE

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Aggressive Spiders

I thought spiders bite to attack or defend.
It seems very odd that a spider would bite a sleeping human.
Spider bite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In any case, I wish you a speedy recovery.

Normally this is true, but as I did get confirmation on the photo of the spider, I was told that HOBOs/Aggressive House Spiders are ones that WILL attack. It is also possible that right before bed I shuffled its home around in the boxes and threatened it's web. Apparently the initial BITE is NOT painful with these...goes un-noticed unlike the ones with neurotoxins. The real damage comes over time.

It is my hope that this all becomes an academic exercise and this resolves with my current course of treatment.

Thanks for the info though.
 

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True...many FMGs are excellent

HB. An awful lot of doctors in the Uk are from Nigeria. This guy is really good and knows a lot about tropical medicine. He studied in the Uk and Us and has a license to practise here as well. He speaks fluent Spanish as well as english, and is a really good guy

I was not referring to the Nigerian doc when I made the iatrogenic comment. However, all that not withstanding, there are some very scary things that go on in SPM clinics and hospitals.

Something else to note is that my most of my medical missionary team with BSN that is down now actually has more years of university education (not counting intern/res/PGYrs) than the DR DOCs do! Most DR docs drop their jaws when they hear I have 11 years of Univ of Calif education--not counting PGYrs.

The thing is that when you time after time when people are brought to the ER for something such as possible stroke and then they don't even have their vitals s/a BP taken and attempted injections without any history of med allergies OR as with the case of one of the orphans who had her hand slammed in a door...the doc stitches through the nail twice and packs gauze UNDER the nail so that it wicks blood (continuing to bleed for 28 hours) and causes the whole nail to lift off pulling in the suture knots and causing great pain...it is VERY hard to bring oneself to walk into one of these places. When I broke my arm surfing last 27 de Feb, I had to tell the doc at Correro's to give me a hydrocortisone shot to avoid shock (right before I passed out pointing to my bilingual med alert). They didn't have an x-ray machine (& Galvis's wasn't working) so I had to have my dh leave work and drive me, the nurse, etc. to the UCE. Then the ortho surg who had PLENTY of years of practice put the wrong type of cast on, causing the complete fracture to splitter against the opposing ends. Another example is the 4 times my dh had to go to Galvis's to be tested for Dengue. He was positive but the ridiculous process of having a really sick person come in 4 times when the first results were clearly interpretable...sigh...One of the things that annoyed me was that they had drawn his blood one day and WHILE we were there, they said they'd have to send out another blood sample and do a slide smear. So, any normally trained med practice would have drawn the blood via a syringe (instead of vacutainer) and then prep smeared the slide. No...they drew blood and then had to poke his finger squeezing for 5 min (bec he was dehydrated even though I had been all over him about ORT and such) all while he had a raging 104.5 fever. The fact that I am constantly seeing doctors and nurses NOT washing their hands IS a real issue here, NOT using (or even comprehending) UNIVERSAL PRECAUTIONS as the major over "prescribing" of antibiotics REALLY makes me question the quality of some of these people's education. I could go on but suffice it to say that it is a daily occurrence that major standards of practice come up that shouldn't.

Something else that I notice is that many of the locally trained docs are NOT used to seeing clinical presentation symptoms in WHITES, so rashes and other symptoms appear quite different (as has been the case with several of those who had rashes and tested positive for Dengue Fever.)

Ciao,
Chris:bunny::bunny::bunny:
 
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I lived through this experience. I wondered what this bite was and it was itchy. Thought it was a mosquito bite at first but new better.

Aloe Vera applied directly is working for me and the red circle is now diminishing, the local clinics provided an ointment, but..... Citrus and Aloe

Some of these are flesh eating so beware.

When I lived in Costa Rica there must have been 15 species crawling in my house but they never bit me. I only have seen 4 or 5 in the year and a half that I have lived here .

Go figure !
 

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Hey thanks Mike--now I'm going to smell like some kind of exotic salad with Citrus, Aloe and the basil, along with a PM I reeceived of avocado!;P

How long have you been using this (when was your bite and what day are you on?)
TIA!
 

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Hey thanks Mike--now I'm going to smell like some kind of exotic salad with Citrus, Aloe and the basil, along with a PM I reeceived of avocado!;P

How long have you been using this (when was your bite and what day are you on?)
TIA!

Actually this is now 4 weeks. The local pharm precribed Systral cream, when I thought cortosine would aleviate the itch.

My bite is on my ankle and after further review, while I feel there is no imminent danger, and as this seems to be lingering far too long, the redness has turned to pink indicating a proces in the healing.

Tequilla, lime and perhaps a dash of cream will one day make this go away.

Not much of a salad but a little garlic goes a long way !
 

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I do NOT think what the OP has endured is a spider bite.

I think it's MRSA, because EVERY symptom he describes fits it to a Tee. It's a nasty bug that is expanding like wildfire, and is prolly the most mis-diagnosed condition in medicine tody. MRSA means methicillin resistant staphylococcus aureus, a staph variant that is immune to common antibiotics.

I speak from experience.

I had something that looked like a tiny spider bite, small, red, and looked to have a tiny "head". In 36 hours it progressed into a massive 2-3" infection, like a nasty ingrown hair/boil that was very painful to the touch and HOT. I knew something just wasn't right. I was fortunate one of my close colleagues is a gifted surgeon with the Hands of God. I snuck into his office, and he diagnosed it immediately, took a culture, and proceeded to lance it, having to go very deep to get the root infection, gave me a script for some powerful antibiotics.

The tests came back MRSA. Do a search.

The infection finally subsided. I had a couple of minor issues, like bad zits on my back and upper thighs I didn't relate to the first infection. Then 3 months later, ANOTHER infection popped up, just like the first, HUGE, rapidly expanding and angry. I went an Infectious disease specialist, the Medical Director for my old IV Therapy/HHA company, who took a look and knew what it was immediately. He put me on a regimine he called "decolonization" to get rid of the bug. The antibiotic he described, one of only three that can treat MRSA and the only oral one, was Zyvox...and cost (yes, this is the real cost) US$2200 for a 14 day regimine. The other drugs are IV, and would have been $14,000+ for the same 14 days. The decononization procedure consisted of the Zyvox, daily head-to-toe and all orifice cleansing with Hibiclens, an expensive antibiotic soap used in hospitals, and twice daily deep nasal swabbing of a strong antibiotic ointment...I mean DEEP...

Finally, the infections have been gone for well over 6 months, and no signs of returning.

I have determined I "caught" it at my gym, where handwritten signs popped up one day saying to wipe ALL equipment with an antibiotic solution before use. I talked to the manager, and he admitted they got word of a rash of infections from customers. I don't go there any more.

MRSA has been in the news a LOT lately. It is the #1 problem in health care facilities around the world today, and rapidly spreading. It is often misdiagnosed as a spider bite that won't go away and is not affected by most drugs. It kills in folks who have compromised immune systems, and becomes blood borne. It lives in the mucous membranes of the nose and is spread by contact and airborne. It looks for an opportunity to get beneath the skin, some small opening, where it can do it's thing.

IMO, this is worth the OP considering because it sounds EXACTLY like what I, and MANY others, have gone through.

<edit> The salves, creams and natural therapies will NOT make this go away, period. It is an aggressive bug immune to virtually everything except three antibiotics. The fact it has hung around so long speaks for itself and verifies what it is. Go to an Infectious Disease Specialist NOW, and specifically ask about MRSA.

There are anecdotes about folks who don't have it treated, where it can get into joints and literally disintegrate the bone, with permanent damage.</edit>
 
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Essential Oil of basil is working

Actually this is now 4 weeks. The local pharm precribed Systral cream, when I thought cortosine would aleviate the itch.

My bite is on my ankle and after further review, while I feel there is no imminent danger, and as this seems to be lingering far too long, the redness has turned to pink indicating a proces in the healing.

Tequilla, lime and perhaps a dash of cream will one day make this go away.

Not much of a salad but a little garlic goes a long way !

Mike: You might want to try what I now see as being a success. I am using a combo (self-mixed) of Essential Oil of Basil (aceite esencial de hinojo) and EO of lavender. It MUST be the real thing (produced by hundreds of pounds of the leaves being distilled) to work. Put a 4 drops of EO Basil and 2 of lavender directly on the open area and COVER with a large enough bandaid. The protocol calls for changing the bandaid three-four times during the day but good large bandaids are scarce on this side so I just "refreshed" the EO throughout the day yesterday and then put a new clean combo on today. I will say that about 8 hours after my evening 'refreshing' in the middle of the night my dh awakened me and said I had been scratching my leg with my other leg for over an hour; so, one DOES need to keep up on the EO being refreshed. Additionally, one is supposed to drink basil tea (pesto flavored tea if you ask me) so I raided the 4' high basil bushes at the orphanage (they don't use it--it's totally ornamental as far as the tias are concerned.)

After 5 minutes of the EO being on, the itching disappears and when I removed the bandages today for changing, the bulls-eye pattern had shrunken, there was much less red, heat and apparent bruising from inflammation. I'm still taking Benedryl and Ibuprofen (I had tried using homeopathic arnica the first day and had no results in spite of the fact that I normally respond to this for inflammation.

I bought most of my EOs from Nature's Sunshine Products. Some are from Young Living and the Basil I bought at the GNC store on Lincoln in the Capital.

I hope this helps someone in the future. I should have immediately started this. There are several MDs online who have personally used this method and recommend it. Besides my 'traditional' US training, I did a stint in the PRC on Traditional Chinese Med and am about 6 mo from finishing my ND (Naturopathic Doc too), which I didn't count in that 11 years of UC education because it is via distance ed. I'm self-taught in herbs & EOs from many years ago. SO, I'm one of these practitioners who pulls what I think is the best from each area and look at the big picture.
paz y salud,
Chris:bunny::bunny::bunny:
 

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There ARE some excellent docs in the DR, BUT...

Chris,

Have you found good doctors in the DR? Which clinics would you recommend?

Adrian

I know my tirade on quality must have scared some people (believe me, I left out the REALLY gross, potential gagging stories) but it is important to know what the comparison is for someone trained in another country. For example, Med Students in SPM don't start their clinical rotations nearly as early as I did.

Are you looking for specific types of docs (specialists) or in one geographic area? Although it is far from Juan Dolio, I think some of the best docs are in Santiago. Overall, I've not been impressed with anyone outside of the Capital or Santiago (and when we send kids or staff/volunteers out for care one of us goes with them--the kid with the gauze packing happened to NOT see either me or NPH's Pediatrician because both of us were in the air flying during that time...I went into the clinic the morning after I landed and several hysterical tias and volunteers begged me to see her although I was technically only there to get our med missionaries started on public health projects...it is very difficult to see a child tortured by inappropriate care; and most US practitioners WON'T UNDO another practitioner's work but I had to extract the gauze thread by thread after soaking it to not further torture her because the swelling had made the situation so bad.)

Anyway, I digress...I have had positive experiences with several docs at Clinica Patina Gomez on Independencia in the Cap (in particular, I really like Dr. Hernandez Troncoso, an endocrinologist who is also the president of the Dominican Med assoc.) My recent surgeries during TS Noel and then again during TS Olga (great timing) were outstanding experiences with Dr. Luis A. Cordero (plastic surgeon--I had hernia repair surg and also a basal cell carc removed from my eye-lid and didn't want scarring.) I found Cordero after seeing 6 other surgeons, most of whom I wouldn't have entrusted my cats to. My list of docs I'd not send people to is MUCH longer than those I would and proportionately much longer than in the US and Europe. Cordero and his team (cardiology, internal med, and anesthesia) are PRIVATE practice only and have a free standing clinic in Gazcue, SD. I've known women to opt to have HIM do mastectomies instead of an oncologist, even when they aren't having implants put in!

I can give much more specific suggestions if you tell me what you are looking for. One area I have been VERY disappointed in is the Dermatology specialists (so if anyone knows a good one, pls share.) Several people I know, some of our staff & volunteers have had horrid experiences with major scarring partly because I'm sure the docs didn't know that white skin responds differently to things like frozen Nitrogen.

I also have noticed huge variations in laboratory results when we've taken three samples and sent them to three labs (this was after two labs in the same day gave completely opposite results. SO, now when I can, I do my own labs--simple stuff like urine testing and anything I can readily view with our microscopes. However, I'm not set up to do most of the tests we need and some of our kids are HIV+ needing regular labs with special testing. There is a US trained Cuban/DR HIV doc (who spent years at the CDC) in La Romana but her name is escaping me at the moment.

All of the above notwithstanding, IF one hunts around, one CAN find them. The thing is that you really need to collect the info BEFORE an emergency. There really is no excuse for some of the behavior that goes on here--the not handwashing, or sneezing into a patient's open wound and spilling large amounts of skin eroding chemicals onto patients.

Some DR1 folks really like Plaza del Salud in the Cap (it's hit or miss though.) Clinica/Hospital Abreu in the Cap has a great rep. Supposedly Macorix is one of the better ones in SPM, but again--it just depends who is 'on' and the nursing staff isn't what I'd rate as great, plus they run out of supplies all the time. The Children's hosp in SPM is considered the best hosp in SPM for adults and kids but we've had to transfer many patients from there to the Cap after they've missed a diagnosis.

I strongly recommend bringing someone medically trained WITH you to appointments (preferably bilingual--my Spanish is at its BEST in hospitals, clinics, and pharmacies because most of the 'hard' words are just the same Latin word with a Spanish pronunciation.)
 

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Thanks Cobraboy...but...more info

Cobraboy is right about the severity of MRSA. It is very, very dangerous, but our infectious disease consultant from Canada ruled that out immediately. There are five actual SETS of bites (visible two prong bites) in the center of each of these five. That is not to say that one can't GET MRSA INSIDE a spider bite.

BTW, Cobra--I'm female & my specialty is public health & preventive medicine.

As of this morning, the course of action is working. Something that sets apart what you described besides the punctures is the intense itching. THe potentially necrotic area (what I described as looking purple has almost completely subsided.) However, I DO really appreciate your concern and the PM.

FYI: not all 'non-pharmaceuticals' are BS! For example, EO of Oregano actually has been proven to kill ANTHRAX better than CIPRO. Thymol (derived from Thyme) is approved by the US FDA for use in hospitals and commercial kitchens because it is more effective on a broader range of bugs than the standard disinfectants. These are just two examples where the natural (although VERY strong concentrated distilled essential oil is NOTHING to play with) treatments have an advantage over the big pharma meds--the bugs haven't developed resistance to them, nor have they in many years of use. Allopaths are now starting to use them because they are desperate to deal with MRSA. If you do a search on Manuka Honey, you will see that its performance FAR exceeds that of our normal allopathic treatments.

I'm curious why they didn't give you vancomycin before jumping to Zyvox (Linezolid)? The cost would have been much lower for you and vanco still kills MRSA except in rare cases where the two other newer ones are supposed to be reserved for treating those resistant to vanco...this is one of the reasons we are having such issues with multiple drug resistance. It isn't always best to jump to the most recently approved or even strongest (although statistically Zyvox doesn't have a better kill rate AND it has a HUGE list of VERY dangerous side effects plus it interacts with MANY meds AND FOODS!) Did your doc give you a reason for prescribing THAT particular med?
TIA!
Paz y salud,
DrChrisHE:bunny::bunny::bunny::bunny:

I do NOT think what the OP has endured is a spider bite.

I think it's MRSA, because EVERY symptom he describes fits it to a Tee. It's a nasty bug that is expanding like wildfire, and is prolly the most mis-diagnosed condition in medicine tody. MRSA means methicillin resistant staphylococcus aureus, a staph variant that is immune to common antibiotics.

I speak from experience.

I had something that looked like a tiny spider bite, small, red, and looked to have a tiny "head". In 36 hours it progressed into a massive 2-3" infection, like a nasty ingrown hair/boil that was very painful to the touch and HOT. I knew something just wasn't right. I was fortunate one of my close colleagues is a gifted surgeon with the Hands of God. I snuck into his office, and he diagnosed it immediately, took a culture, and proceeded to lance it, having to go very deep to get the root infection, gave me a script for some powerful antibiotics.

The tests came back MRSA. Do a search.

The infection finally subsided. I had a couple of minor issues, like bad zits on my back and upper thighs I didn't relate to the first infection. Then 3 months later, ANOTHER infection popped up, just like the first, HUGE, rapidly expanding and angry. I went an Infectious disease specialist, the Medical Director for my old IV Therapy/HHA company, who took a look and knew what it was immediately. He put me on a regimine he called "decolonization" to get rid of the bug. The antibiotic he described, one of only three that can treat MRSA and the only oral one, was Zyvox...and cost (yes, this is the real cost) US$2200 for a 14 day regimine. The other drugs are IV, and would have been $14,000+ for the same 14 days. The decononization procedure consisted of the Zyvox, daily head-to-toe and all orifice cleansing with Hibiclens, an expensive antibiotic soap used in hospitals, and twice daily deep nasal swabbing of a strong antibiotic ointment...I mean DEEP...

Finally, the infections have been gone for well over 6 months, and no signs of returning.

I have determined I "caught" it at my gym, where handwritten signs popped up one day saying to wipe ALL equipment with an antibiotic solution before use. I talked to the manager, and he admitted they got word of a rash of infections from customers. I don't go there any more.

MRSA has been in the news a LOT lately. It is the #1 problem in health care facilities around the world today, and rapidly spreading. It is often misdiagnosed as a spider bite that won't go away and is not affected by most drugs. It kills in folks who have compromised immune systems, and becomes blood borne. It lives in the mucous membranes of the nose and is spread by contact and airborne. It looks for an opportunity to get beneath the skin, some small opening, where it can do it's thing.

IMO, this is worth the OP considering because it sounds EXACTLY like what I, and MANY others, have gone through.

<edit> The salves, creams and natural therapies will NOT make this go away, period. It is an aggressive bug immune to virtually everything except three antibiotics. The fact it has hung around so long speaks for itself and verifies what it is. Go to an Infectious Disease Specialist NOW, and specifically ask about MRSA.

There are anecdotes about folks who don't have it treated, where it can get into joints and literally disintegrate the bone, with permanent damage.</edit>
 

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I'm curious why they didn't give you vancomycin before jumping to Zyvox (Linezolid)? The cost would have been much lower for you and vanco still kills MRSA except in rare cases where the two other newer ones are supposed to be reserved for treating those resistant to vanco...this is one of the reasons we are having such issues with multiple drug resistance. It isn't always best to jump to the most recently approved or even strongest (although statistically Zyvox doesn't have a better kill rate AND it has a HUGE list of VERY dangerous side effects plus it interacts with MANY meds AND FOODS!) Did your doc give you a reason for prescribing THAT particular med?
TIA!
Paz y salud,
DrChrisHE:bunny::bunny::bunny::bunny:
Vanco is the "last resort" drug, administered IV, and is highly caustic on the venous system, requiring a central line (was a pioneer in the Home IV business in the 90's). A 14 day regimine of home IV therapy runs roughly $1000 a day, not including the procedure to implant the port and 2 days of clinic based initial services.

My type of MRSA was surface/skin (thank god!). Zyvox works for that quite well. Systemic MRSA, i.e. blood borne, would require Vanco. My friend almost lost his ankle to MRSA and had inpatient and home Vanco. If the Zyvox didn't work, I'd have had to do the Vanco.

Current ID docs have a handle on MRSA. It's a big problem.

I had zero problems with the Zyvox. I did look into generics in Canada, and they would have been much less expensive ($800 vs. $2200), but it would have taken a minimun of 2 weeks to get them to me. I did NOT want to wait.

Those here who have met me know I'm a large, healthy guy, a former pro athlete. I never get sick. But this MRSA about kicked my ass.

Be warned, and be aware. Touch NOTHING in a medical clinic, and WASH YOUR HANDS!!!!
 

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As of this morning, the course of action is working. Something that sets apart what you described besides the punctures is the intense itching. THe potentially necrotic area (what I described as looking purple has almost completely subsided.) However, I DO really appreciate your concern and the PM.
When each MRSA infection finally healed, they left a pronounced purple scar, indicative of some necrosis of the area, another trait of MRSA. I have never had any scab, scar or wound heal with that color in my entire life.
 

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Interesting about the Vanco bec in the US it is usually given BEFORE Zyvox. They are both ridiculously expensive in the US and here the ones you get are probably FAKE!

So, tell me...when did you develop systemic symptoms? I've been down the MRSA route with a ferral cat bite that landed me in the hospital for 4 days of dual antibiotic IV therapy so I am well aware both personally and professionally of the issue at hand. The progression from bite to hospitalization was less than 24 hours and even then I almost lost my hand because I was being stubborn thinking I could treat myself. A friend who was also my Primary care doc URGED me to go into the ER.

The thing is, I had five areas of inflammation, each with dual puncture wounds and the spider was found within 3' of where I sleep. The Hobo is known to seek out warmth and humidity (I sweat here). I don't have any systemic symptoms. The swelling and redness subsided (I used RICE for the 12 hours after) and what was a purple area around each is disappating.

I'm not sure how I'd accomplish your suggestions of not touching anything because I run a clinic down here. I was astonished at the lack of hygiene and universal precautions taken by my DR colleagues. We don't even have a sink in the exam room of the make-shift clinic and many times the water isn't working in the bathroom so I go through LOTS of hand-gel and gloves. I had to fight with the DR nurses to STOP taking my gel off the interview desk after each patient. They thought it excessive that I cleansed between patients...eeewww....just think about that for a moment. Another tip those wanting to avoid disease transmission should use is to dry their hands on a paper towel and use the towel to both turn off the faucet and open the door. Stop laughing everyone who lives here...I DO KNOW IT'S A GOOD DAY WHEN THE WATER IS WORKING, THERE ARE LIGHTS, TP, SOAP, A TOILET SEAT AND THEN TO ASK FOR PAPER TOWELS ON TOP OF THAT, am I crazy?
 

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Interesting about the Vanco bec in the US it is usually given BEFORE Zyvox. They are both ridiculously expensive in the US and here the ones you get are probably FAKE!

So, tell me...when did you develop systemic symptoms? I've been down the MRSA route with a ferral cat bite that landed me in the hospital for 4 days of dual antibiotic IV therapy so I am well aware both personally and professionally of the issue at hand. The progression from bite to hospitalization was less than 24 hours and even then I almost lost my hand because I was being stubborn thinking I could treat myself. A friend who was also my Primary care doc URGED me to go into the ER.

The thing is, I had five areas of inflammation, each with dual puncture wounds and the spider was found within 3' of where I sleep. The Hobo is known to seek out warmth and humidity (I sweat here). I don't have any systemic symptoms. The swelling and redness subsided (I used RICE for the 12 hours after) and what was a purple area around each is disappating.
No systemic symptoms at all, strictly a skin infection, like a massive ingrown hair or a serious carbuncle from hell. 24-36 hours from first teeny, tiny "itch" to a 2-3" wide, 1/2-3/4" high, hot red, incredibly painful raging infection.:surprised

But here is the thing I didn't mention above. Each boil worked into 3-5 open, draining "heads", and before they got out of control had more than one "bump/bite" each. This is why folks think it's a bug bite. It fits the mental picture we have, when we aren't aware of what MRSA is and how it forms.

BTW-the ONLY way to eliminate MRSA is by a culture coming back negative. It can't be observed. All staph infections are not the same. Some can be treated conventionally, some are MRSA. I'd have sold Mom CB to the Arabs for mine to have not been MRSA. That s#!t is just nasty...

The ID I went to has seen so much of it he's become somewhat of a specialist in the area here in Tampa Bay. One thing he looked at was the sites of my big infection and each of the former smaller infection areas. He said a dead give away was the scars were purple, not red as a "normal" scar might be, certainly along with the lab culture.

Skin MRSA is treated first with Zyvox as part of the "decolonization" procedure. One big reason I went with the Zyvox is because I did NOT trust a generic to have the same level of efficacy. That is how bad it was.

Having owned Home Health Agencies and a Home IV Therapy company, I have a lot of clinical insight. I gotta very respectfully tell you: the very fact you work in a clinical environment tells me I'd be a LOT more suspicious of MRSA for your condition than a spider bite.

If you can get to the states, find an Infectious Disease doc that treats MRSA. I've spoken to doctors in the DR who know about it academically, but wouldn't be able to identify it. I'm unsure whether many labs in the DR could test for it.

MRSA is the most misdiagnosed disease in the world today. It's a problem well beyond what people think. And when it's misdiagnosed, the diagnosis is invariably a "spider bite" that when treated for a spider bite, doesn't act like a spider bite.

The cat bite could have been just staph. I'm not familiar with MRSA being spread by contact with animals.

Just one man's opinion. With what I went through, I'd seriously consider finding a knowledgeable second opinion form an ID specialist who KNOWS MRSA.

Best wishes. If you'd like to talk by phone, drop me a PM. I'm here to help.
 

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Thanks for the info and offer Cobraboy. Honestly, I do know that every day there is a risk of coming into contact with something I hadn't HAD I stayed home...but that is life. I also know that MRSA needs to be cultured and NO, I wouldn't trust a DR lab to culture it. I'd send it to one of my friends at the CDC.

My cat bite was an odd one that I too was betting was "just staph" but alas, I got so sick so quickly I didn't have to wait around to find out. The culture results took a bit of time but I'm glad I was treated rapidly and appropriately. The cat was a ferral we had just adopted and she freaked when she saw our golden retriever. My mistake was trying to hold on to her scruff; upon contorting her head like the exorcist, she sunk her teeth deeply into my index finger and hand webbing of my dominant hand. Both the infect disease specialist and vet consulted agreed that she probably had just eaten a mouse (I left out that she had gotten out of the house and I'd recaptured her right before my son brought the dog out.)

Your stern lecture IS appreciated...I JUST gave a similar one to a college student who is down volunteering and got his foot cut on the red coral in JD. He had a really good size chunk out and thought just putting polysporin on it (without even cleaning it) would be fine.

A shocking discovery I made about 6 mo ago is that we have anthrax here (it's not transmitted from person to person)...usually brought into the DR via the skins of Haitian goats! I saw my first case ever in person and just about fell over (I'd only seen slides and read about it, plus all the terrorism hype)...ran home and went on line, sent out a culture...'found out "yes, I was right about the Dx" BUT that anthrax is endemic in Haitian goats!! This little girl had been sleeping on a goat skin rug brought from her Haitian uncle. Every day is different here in many ways...definitely different than the US.

For now I'm really hoping that you are NOT right (sorry)...so far my body is saying ciao to these but I PROMISE to keep a close eye on it. I'm meeting a surgeon friend tomorrow who while not an exclusive expert in this will culture it and send it out if there is the slightest possibility that I'm just being an idiot (what are friends for after all.)
Paz y salud
 

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To interject I gotta say, quite an interesting exchange. I learned alot. Anyone else google manuka honey?

Sollie
 

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Thanks Sollie: I've had a few people request that we try to organize a HEALTH forum. Maybe someone could suggest it to DR1. I'd be happy to monitor it depending on the requirements of moderating. I certainly would contribute.

Manuka Honey is awesome stuff. I HAD bees in the US (till colony collapse disorder killed them between my last harvest in Sept and my visit in Dec.) I've used both Manuka, my own and wild honey from the DR on wounds. I believe you can find a bunch of links from a thread I started in the end of 2007. Or, you can just click on my name and then have it show you all my posts--then navigate there.

La vida dulce...off to the Cap to try and get an absentee ballot form!
paz y salud,
Chris
 

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Oh yeah...back to my topic of the thread. It is now the 4th day with spider bites and they are resolving SLOWLY with the basil, lavender and tea tree oil I'm using (and drinking basil tea--like drinking pesto!)

Thanks for all the input. I will let you know if it turns bad or continues resolving.
Paz y salud,
CHris
 

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Mike: You might want to try what I now see as being a success. I am using a combo (self-mixed) of Essential Oil of Basil (aceite esencial de hinojo) and EO of lavender. It MUST be the real thing (produced by hundreds of pounds of the leaves being distilled) to work. Put a 4 drops of EO Basil and 2 of lavender directly on the open area and COVER with a large enough bandaid.

Just in case somebody goes out and buys the wrong thing, basil is albahaca in spanish. Hinojo is fennel.

Hope you get better very soon ;)
 

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Herbal essential oils are very powerful compounds. Please don't use these irresponsibly. In this instance, both albahaca as well as hinojo oils are well known essential remedies for various things like insect bites and including flatulence.
 
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