The language is SPANISH !!!
This is directed to tomgallo who in a different post seemed to take offense at the language of Spanish being called Spanish. I didn't want to highjack the other thread so I thought I would start this one so that I might try to set the record straight.
tomgallo said;
As to your equivocal statement that the Spanish language doesn?t exist I offer the following quotes to you from people that in fact are more knowledge then you;
From a professor at the School of English, University of Leeds -
(QUOTE)The official language of Spain is indeed Spanish. It is Spanish (abbreviated as 'es' for 'Espa?ol') which represents Spain at the EU (http://europa.eu.int/). More information is available if you follow the 'Languages' link. The dialect of Spanish which has become the standard variety of Spanish is Castilian.But Spanish is not the ONLY language of Spain, of course. Basque is one of the languages of Spain and it is not related to Spanish at all. A further complexity is that in recent years varieties such as Catalan and Galician, which have at some times been regarded as separate languages, and at others as dialects of Spanish, are currently generally seen as languages in their own right. Catalan and Galician can be seen as dialects of Spanish but most certainly NOT as dialects of Castilian. So Catalan, Galician and Castilian can all be seen as dialects of Spanish, or can be seen as separate languages, which is why some people have taken to calling Standard Spanish 'Castilian'.You may wish to read Clare Mar-Molinero (1997) *The Spanish Speaking World* for an account of this.? [/QUOTE]
Another linguist -
Another linguist from Ball State University ?
From an Assoc. Professor of Anthropology ?
And lastly from the department of linguists at the RAE ?
I hope this helps clear your mind on the particular matter.
tomgallo also said;
Merriam Webster says ? Latino - 1 : a native or inhabitant of Latin America
2 : a person of Latin-American origin living in the U.S.
Latin - 1 a : of, relating to, or composed in Latin b : ROMANCE
2 : of or relating to Latium or the Latins
3 : of or relating to the part of the Catholic Church that until recently used a Latin rite and forms the patriarchate of the pope
4 : of or relating to the peoples or countries using Romance languages; specifically : of or relating to the peoples or countries of Latin America
Bartleby.com says ? Latino - 1. A Latin American. 2. A person of Hispanic, especially Latin-American, descent, often one living in the United States.
Latin -
NOUN: 1a. The Indo-European language of the ancient Latins and Romans and the most important cultural language of western Europe until the end of the 17th century. b. The Latin language and literature from the end of the third century b.c. to the end of the second century a.d. 2a. A member of a Latin people, especially a native or inhabitant of Latin America. b. A Latino or Latina. 3. A native or resident of ancient Latium.
ADJECTIVE: 1. Of, relating to, or composed in Latin: a Latin scholar; Latin verse.2a. Of or relating to ancient Rome, its people, or its culture. b. Of or relating to Latium, its people, or its culture. 3. Of or relating to the languages that developed from Latin, such as Italian, French, Spanish, and Portuguese, or to the peoples that speak them. 4a. Of or relating to the peoples, countries, or cultures of Latin America. b. Of or relating to Latinos or their culture. 5. Of or relating to the Roman Catholic Church.
Doesn?t seem to have anything to do with ancestry with the application of the words (of), (member of), (native of), (inhabitant of) and as a Dominican is a Dominican and a Mexican is a Mexican I think that the definitions above would classify them both as Latinos.
Have a nice Christmas
This is directed to tomgallo who in a different post seemed to take offense at the language of Spanish being called Spanish. I didn't want to highjack the other thread so I thought I would start this one so that I might try to set the record straight.
tomgallo said;
Most "latin" immigrants to the USA are poor and of course with a minimal education. At arrival the 1st priority is "making ends meet" and sometimes having 2-3 jobs to do it. English is a very difficult language to master more difficult than Castillian "the spanish language does not exist - it is castillian"
As to your equivocal statement that the Spanish language doesn?t exist I offer the following quotes to you from people that in fact are more knowledge then you;
From a professor at the School of English, University of Leeds -
(QUOTE)The official language of Spain is indeed Spanish. It is Spanish (abbreviated as 'es' for 'Espa?ol') which represents Spain at the EU (http://europa.eu.int/). More information is available if you follow the 'Languages' link. The dialect of Spanish which has become the standard variety of Spanish is Castilian.But Spanish is not the ONLY language of Spain, of course. Basque is one of the languages of Spain and it is not related to Spanish at all. A further complexity is that in recent years varieties such as Catalan and Galician, which have at some times been regarded as separate languages, and at others as dialects of Spanish, are currently generally seen as languages in their own right. Catalan and Galician can be seen as dialects of Spanish but most certainly NOT as dialects of Castilian. So Catalan, Galician and Castilian can all be seen as dialects of Spanish, or can be seen as separate languages, which is why some people have taken to calling Standard Spanish 'Castilian'.You may wish to read Clare Mar-Molinero (1997) *The Spanish Speaking World* for an account of this.? [/QUOTE]
Another linguist -
The Castilian dialect began to take distinct form in the late fiftheenth century and since it was the local dialect of the seat of power, Toledo and subsequently Madrid, it became identified as the Spanish of Spain, even though regional forms descended from Latin spoken in the Iberian peninsula were developing to become the current list of official languages of Spain. Similarly, while their are five or six
regional dialects of European Portuguese, the speech of Lisbon and Coimbra became standard at least four hundred years ago?.
Another linguist from Ball State University ?
?The Ethnologue (www.ethnologue.com) lists the official languages of Spain as Spanish, Basque, Galician, Gascon (Aranese), Catalan. Castilian is one of several
dialects of Spanish, and as with any contemporary dialect of any contemporary language, it would be naive to suggest that a particular dialect is the origin or source
of the language. The modern dialects of Spanish all trace themselves back to ultimately to the Late Latin spoken in Spain, which began to be recognizably distinct around the 8th or 9th c?.
From an Assoc. Professor of Anthropology ?
?Spanish is the official language of Spain. So is Castellano. The problem you are encountering, aside from the confusion about language and dialect and the notion that "dialect" means a nonstandard, is that Castellano has two meanings, one of them subsumed within the other. Many Spanish speakers -- even in the New World -- use "castellano" to mean 'Spanish'. So 40 or 50 years ago one could hear people from Latin America, especially middle and upper classes, say they spoke "castellano" even when the dialect was clearly Latin American, derived from Andalusian, not Castillian. It is like the English word 'man/men' which means both 'human being' and 'adult male'. In the former meaning it is perfectly sensible and appropriate for women to say in the Nicene Creed ''for us men and for our salvation". So in the sense in which Castellano means 'Spanish', everybody who speaks Spanish speaks it.
My impression is that this meaning of castellano is fading -- some of the other panelist probably have a closer handle on that than I do?.
And lastly from the department of linguists at the RAE ?
?Para designar la lengua com?n de Espa?a y de muchas naciones de Am?rica, y que tambi?n se habla como propia en otras partes del mundo, son v?lidos los t?rminos castellano y espa?ol. La larga pol?mica sobre cu?l de estas denominaciones resulta m?s apropiada est? hoy superada. El t?rmino espa?ol resulta m?s recomendable por carecer de ambig?edad, ya que se refiere de modo un?voco a la lengua que hablan hoy cerca de cuatrocientos millones de hablantes. Asimismo, es la denominaci?n que se utiliza internacionalmente (spanish, espagnol, Spanish, spagnolo, etc.). Aun siendo tambi?n sin?nimo de espa?ol, resulta preferible reservar el t?rmino castellano para referirse al dialecto rom?nico nacido en el Reino de Castilla durante la Edad Media, o al dialecto del espa?ol que se habla actualmente en esta regi?n peninsular. En Espa?a, se usa asimismo el nombre castellano cuando se alude a la lengua com?n del Estado en relaci?n con las otras lenguas cooficiales en sus respectivos territorios aut?nomos, como el catal?n, el gallego o el euskera.
Reciba un cordial saludo?.
I hope this helps clear your mind on the particular matter.
tomgallo also said;
BY the way "Latin or Latinos" are "White Europeans" or descendants from the following European Countries (Latin countries) :
France/Portugal/Spain/Romania and Italy.
Dominicans with African ancestry and Mexican with Indian ancestry are not LATINS OR LATINOS.
Merriam Webster says ? Latino - 1 : a native or inhabitant of Latin America
2 : a person of Latin-American origin living in the U.S.
Latin - 1 a : of, relating to, or composed in Latin b : ROMANCE
2 : of or relating to Latium or the Latins
3 : of or relating to the part of the Catholic Church that until recently used a Latin rite and forms the patriarchate of the pope
4 : of or relating to the peoples or countries using Romance languages; specifically : of or relating to the peoples or countries of Latin America
Bartleby.com says ? Latino - 1. A Latin American. 2. A person of Hispanic, especially Latin-American, descent, often one living in the United States.
Latin -
NOUN: 1a. The Indo-European language of the ancient Latins and Romans and the most important cultural language of western Europe until the end of the 17th century. b. The Latin language and literature from the end of the third century b.c. to the end of the second century a.d. 2a. A member of a Latin people, especially a native or inhabitant of Latin America. b. A Latino or Latina. 3. A native or resident of ancient Latium.
ADJECTIVE: 1. Of, relating to, or composed in Latin: a Latin scholar; Latin verse.2a. Of or relating to ancient Rome, its people, or its culture. b. Of or relating to Latium, its people, or its culture. 3. Of or relating to the languages that developed from Latin, such as Italian, French, Spanish, and Portuguese, or to the peoples that speak them. 4a. Of or relating to the peoples, countries, or cultures of Latin America. b. Of or relating to Latinos or their culture. 5. Of or relating to the Roman Catholic Church.
Doesn?t seem to have anything to do with ancestry with the application of the words (of), (member of), (native of), (inhabitant of) and as a Dominican is a Dominican and a Mexican is a Mexican I think that the definitions above would classify them both as Latinos.
Have a nice Christmas