Well, that too. But rumor has it the problem is a miniscule one - much less than average.
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Well, that too. But rumor has it the problem is a miniscule one - much less than average.
Maybe y'all can start a conversation about bob's wanger.
Seems the latest craze. You know, all the cool guys are doing it...
No feathers to fluff.
Cobra, remember. Scales. Fangs. Venom. You get the picture.
Gorgon pretty much surrendered when he trotted out his "black female PhD's are choosing illegitimate spawn, so therefore all illegitimate spawn are A-OK. Ergo, illegitimacy is NOT a predictor of poverty..." effort.
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While ignoring the massive quantity of data from his beloved Big Gubmint showing the overwhelming poverty & social issues with those who spawn them without a family structure.
He somehow extends the income of .16% of the black population to the whole population. With a straight face.
There is nothing left for me to respond to. It's gorgon who is struggling with regaining his credibility, not me. It's like the Cardinals, behind 42-0 to the Ravens, throwing a Hail Mary before time expires searching for a moral victory.
yes, Derfish, but not before giving him an A for effort. he does put on a good show. 5th graders would be mightily impressed. they would actually start a debate to decide whether or not he was intelligent.
quick question for cobraboy...
since you contend that illegitimacy is a predictor for poverty, give me an answer to this, complete with statistics
what percentage of heretofore well to do people who end up having an illegitimate child, descend into poverty, which can be traceable to the presence of such child?
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since you contend that illegitimacy is a predictor for poverty, give me an answer to this, complete with statistics
what percentage of heretofore well to do people who end up having an illegitimate child, descend into poverty, which can be traceable to the presence of such child?
parse that!
To Rand, being “selfish” meant being true to oneself, neither sacrificing one’s own desires nor trampling on others. Likewise, Rand’s stance against altruism was not an assault on compassion so much as a critique of doctrines that subordinate the individual to a collective—state, church, community, or family.
Illegitimacy is the Major Cause of Child Poverty | Heartland Institute
On Child Poverty, MSM Ignores the Basic Truth - By Heather Mac Donald - The Corner - National Review Online
Center for Immigration Studies
http://mason.gmu.edu/~fbuckley/Unwed24.htm
So does poverty cause illegitimacy or does Illegimacy cause poverty? Here are some article with research to back them up and link them.
that's funny. i thought i said that the question was for cobraboy. actually, saunders, there are many analysts that take the viewpoint that illegitimacy is not causally linked to poverty. a simple article written by, of all people, the Catholic Church, reminds that the rate of illegitimacy in County Mayo, in Ireland, is only 10% of the rate of illegitimacy in County Down, despite the fact that Mayo is the poorest county in Ireland, and Down is very prosperous, relatively. you see, saunders, i do not read just one side of the story. i look for every avenue to arrive at the facts. that is how academia works.
saunders, when you choose to interject yourself, and your opinions into a conversation, prepare yourself a little better. when you plan to cite reading material to buttress a viewpoint, at least send something relevant. the study from George Mason attempts to make no causal link between illegitimacy and poverty. i suggest that you read the articles before you post links. secondly, try to get viewpoints from both sides of the political divide. sending all your material from conservative think tanks is intellectual dishonesty. it is also simplistic, because it is easy to decipher.
Nope those where just the first 4 articles and perhaps you should re-read the article from George Mason. You can go find your four articles that refute that, from progressive NY times, Huffington Post, Daily Kos....etc.
From the George Mason article:
The effect of welfare subsidies on illegitimacy rates is one of the most contentious issues in welfare reform. Unwed birth rates in the United States have soared in the last twenty years, and illegitimacy has come to be accepted as the root cause of other social pathologies. These concerns prompted the 1996 Personal Responsibility Act ("PRA"), which curtailed payouts under the Aid to Families with Dependent Children program ("AFDC"). The AFDC program offers cash payouts to unwed mothers, and is the most direct economic subsidy of illegitimacy in the United States.
saunders, do you understand what you read? nowhere, in any of the articles you have submitted, is any attempt made to establish whether or not there are institutional and structural factors which cause poverty, and whether or not people were poor BEFORE they had illegitimate children. show me a study that people were doing fine BEFORE they had illegitimate children, then drifted into poverty after. i have see no study that attempts to establish a dateline. i am searching for such a study, so if you find one, please inform me. i need no more studies to prove that illegitimate children have more inopportune life circumstances. that is not what i am debating. did you study sociology in college, or do you just assume that you have an inherent ability to have a better grasp of the subject than i do?
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