5 Things I Learned From Ilana Benady's Dominican Culture Book.

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We tend to be overly proud of our race accomplishments and cover some for their short comings...

i don't get it. i never will. i cannot be proud of being white, female, polish... i was born with those conditions. there is no achievement. i may be content to be who i am but not proud.
 

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Huh, didn't some guy named Rudolph or similar try that with an entire race back in the 30's?

I assume you're talking about Hitler? I'm going to say something on that subject, but I'm going to say it delicately because I know it is a sensitive subject. I would first like to say that Hitler was a ruthless, self destructive psychopath that caused the death of millions. However, the man did have some good ideas. I used to be against Eugenics, but what I'm beginning to see is that trash continues to breed trash, and this is one of the reasons why society is deteriorating. Some of the greatest minds in history(the Wright Brothers, Nikola Tesla, etc), died without children, while low life losers continue to breed. Did you guys here about that female prison guard on the news that got pregnant by the inmate? That is the type of stuff that makes me support eugenics.

And look at Donald Trump, Trump is the model. Have you seen his daughter Ivanka? She looks like a living doll, I mean her genes are perfect. You think that was an accident? Nope, Trump knows how to pick em, he knows how to pick women that will give him BEAUTIFUL and INTELLIGENT children. And now he has gotten that slovenian model pregnant. So I think there is some truth to eugenics, I think you have to be smart about who you breed with. And I'm looking for a Dominicana who has superior genes than me, so that I can breed a kid that like Trump's children, will be beautiful/handsome and intelligence. Evolution is about improving our lineage, and look at all these single mothers in the DR? Society is deteriorating and we need to choose a new path.
 

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Damm, hundreds of years of cultural evolution and .............

Has culture really evolved? Has the status of women really changed? Not really. The status of Dominican women, like American women, only appears to have changed. Yeah, that book I read said that there are more Dominican women in college than men. And, while this may be true, it doesn't change biological reality. What I mean by biological reality is that despite their education, both Dominican and foreign men still have the power, the physical, political and economic power. Remember what I said a few pages back, knowledge is less important in the DR than connections. Therefore, the increased education of Dominican women is a victory, but in my opinion a Pyrrhic one.

Okay, a Dominicana gets her degree from college, then what? Who will she work for? Most of the large enterprises in the DR are run by men, either local of foreign. So if she wants a job at a respected large enterprise it will lilkely be male dominated. If she goes abroad she will experience the exact same thing. At best, she may be able to start a small business here in the DR to gain autonomy, but where does she get the capital? See, that is the key. Despite the supposed progress that women have made, the feminists won't admit that at the end of the day, men still control the capital, and if you don't believe that, check out the Forbes top 400 richest men in the world. Women can't gain anything in this world without going through a man either directly or indirectly, and ultimately, men seize and control resources through warfare and brute force, an arena where women simply cannot compete. The only weapon women have in their arsenal against men is charm, seduction, and sex.
 

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I am sure some will slam your post, but I give you kudo's for putting "it" out there.
I think you did well in putting it out there "delicately" , as you said.
Generally no thread that involves the name Hitler and good ideas will go unpunished ;)
 

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I have a daughter, she's quite a character and the opposite of being a disappointment. At 7 she has already so much game that she's playing everybody the way she wants to. By the time she reaches 18 she'll be pussy whipping guys like you who think learning about life you do by just reading books. ;)

You used the word "pussy whipping," and by doing so you confirm what I said in my previous post.......that seduction is the ONLY weapon women ultimately have against men. They have nothing else. A friend of mine always says that "sex is the only thing women have on us, and he is right on." Cleopatra gained her power through Julius Caesar, you think I haven't studied history? That is how she gained power, and most women who have gained power and wealth have mastered seduction and charm. So if I have a daughter, and I decide to teach her something, teach her the skills of seduction and charm. Hell, I don't even know how I would teach her that, which is one reason why I don't want a daughter.

Sons, on the other hand, you can really teach them some amazing things. Why? Because men don't have the restrictions in the DR that women have, and anyone here who thinks otherwise is just kidding themselves. All the cards in the DR are stacked in the favor of the man, which is why I'd prefer a son. A daughter wouldn't be the end of the world, I'd just have to totally change my plans for her upbringing. But I definitely wouldn't raise a daughter in the DR to grow up with that "strong independent woman" stuff, because it would only hurt her in the long run. Dominican society won't tolerate it.
 

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So Scorpion what are you going to do if/when your child turns out to be either gay, lesbian, wimpy, not too smart, or just completely rejects the idea of being a "super kid" and just wants to be a normal kid? I hope you know that no matter how much you plan having a kid is like playing a lottery ticket...once a blue moon someone will have one who will go on to be president or CEO of a large company, but 99% of the time your kid will just be normal, average person like the rest of us.

When my kids were born I had grand ideas of them becoming Uber successful, because after all if me coming from poverty in The DR had made it this far then they should be able to "be anything they wanted to be". At a minimum I envisioned them becoming doctors or successful lawyers, but here we are and neither one of them is interested in any of that. They're most likely not going to be presidents of The US, but I'm OK with that as long as whatever it is they end up doing makes them happy, because I've come to understand that in the end that's what REALLY matters.
 

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I'm confused. You're proud of the way your daughter manipulates people to get what she wants?

Nothing wrong with that in my opinion. I'd raise my daughter the same way. Women have all the odds stacked against them Cobraboy, and that is the way it has been since the dawn of human civilization. This is why women developed seduction
as a strategy against the masculine form of warfare. Women figured out thousands of years ago that they weren't going to beat a man on the battlefield. So women learned how to control men off the battlefield, and this is a lost art that many women have forgotten.

There is a reason why Cleopatra gained her power. The same for Queen Elizabeth and Empress Wu of China. Napoleon could never let go of Josephine, despite her inability to bear children. These women were master seductresses, and few women alive today could ever rival them. Most women(especially Western ones), believe that head on, aggressive confrontations and conflicts with men are the answer, they are not. Truly smart women know how to seduce and charm men, but REALLY smart women know how to seduce and charm powerful men.
 

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i don't get it. i never will. i cannot be proud of being white, female, polish... i was born with those conditions. there is no achievement. i may be content to be who i am but not proud.

Well you should....dominicans have in new yol the pride parade or something like it..i see my favorite dominican jochy santos in it, i see all that pride and asked myself what is that for??? are they proud to be over represented in the dish washing jobs (ouch)
 

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One can manipulate people and screw them or one can manipulate people so that everybody benefits, she's doing the latter and yes I'm proud of that.
Isn't that what all successful people do? ;)

Frank, you're a wise man, and I agree with you. I think your daughter has a bright future. :)
 

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How about just teaching them self-respect, honor, charity, thrift and the joy of learning...and let them chart their own course?

Allow my daughter to chart her own course? HAHAHAHAHA ROFL! Oh yeah, sure, we all know where that leads.....to teen pregnancy! Or maybe a pimp will take her! I can't allow my daughter to chart her own course, young women aren't rational enough to do that, I will need to chart the course for her. I think the very idea that Western fathers allow their daughters to choose their own husbands is ridiculous, a lot of Asian and Middle Eastern men have sense enough not to.
 
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No it's not.

Successful people help others achieve beyond what those people think is personally possible, an expansion of personal possibilities.

Manipulation implies convincing people to act in a way that benefits the manipulator.

I think Frank is right Cobraboy. There is nothing wrong with manipulating people and being manipulated. I've used people and people have used me, sometimes I benefited and sometimes I didn't. And the more you do it the better you get at it. Sometimes you will lose and the other person will win. Sometimes you will win and they will lose. And sometimes you will both win. And sometimes you will both lose. Its a game really, kind of like Chess. It is best to teach children this all important game while they're still young.
 

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Allow my daughter to chart her own course? HAHAHAHAHA ROFL! Oh yeah, sure, we all know where that all leads.....to teen pregnancy! Or maybe a pimp take her! I can't allow my daughter to chart her own course, young women aren't rational enough to do that, I will need to chart the course for her. I think the very idea that Western fathers allow their daughters to choose their own husbands is ridiculous, a lot of Asian and Middle Eastern men have sense enough not to.
O.M.G. O.M.G. (sorry robert this is not about religion)
 

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Allow my daughter to chart her own course? HAHAHAHAHA ROFL! Oh yeah, sure, we all know where that leads.....to teen pregnancy! Or maybe a pimp will take her! I can't allow my daughter to chart her own course, young women aren't rational enough to do that, I will need to chart the course for her. I think the very idea that Western fathers allow their daughters to choose their own husbands is ridiculous, a lot of Asian and Middle Eastern men have sense enough not to.


OK dude. You had me for a while but you are now in the clown bin as far as I am concerned.
 

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I felt the same way, and I raised three sons. Now I'm in my dotage, I regret not having a daughter. Daughters call and write.


Ginnie and Ileana's book clearly differentiate Dominican culture from African-American or African-European subcultures. The ills of the A-A subculture you come from migrates here somewhat through NYC returnees and the "jevitos". You seem well read, Scorpion. I hope you've had a chance to read my favorite living American philosopher's mournful yet factual history on the A-A subculture, "Black Rednecks and White Liberals" by Thomas Sowell. You may be surprised to learn that the negative side of inner city black culture in the U.S. derives from Ireland, northern England and southern Scotland via the Old South.


Conversely, the sometimes negative side of Dominican culture, as the book makes clear, derives mostly from the physical ambiance of the tropical Caribbean. Squirrels that don't have to save up nuts for the winter get to play around all year long. That's not bad.

Wow, this is one of the best posts I've seen so far! I've never considered that regarding daughters, you've allowed me to see this issue from a different level. And I've found that book you recommended above on Amazon, it has been added to my wish list. :)

Your last paragraph revealed something that I've also suspected as well, that environment plays a role in why Dominicans are the way they are. I've read some books by George Friedman, and he seems to hold the view that geography ultimately dictates the success or failure of society. In your final paragraph above, you state that you believe the ambiance of the Caribbean plays a role in the negative side of Dominican culture, since they don't have to save nuts for the winter. But let me ask you this, how is it that the Japanese have been able to do what they've done? Could it be because Japan is farther north and has colder winters? If so, what about Taiwan? Taiwan is an island nation that has made startling advances in technology. How have the Taiwanese been able to do it, but the Dominicans haven't? What are your thoughts on this. Will definitely read that book you recommended.
 

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OK dude. You had me for a while but you are now in the clown bin as far as I am concerned.

Are you familiar with the divorce rate in the USA? It sounds like you aren't, so I will enlighten you. The divorce rate among the general population in the USA is about 60 percent. Among Black Americans it is 70 percent. Did you know that arranged marriages in the Far east and Western Asia have the lowest divorce rates? Go research it yourself. Apparently the mother and father are better at picking mates for their children. Are you crazy enough to believe a young woman is rational enough to make a good decision regarding a husband, and if so, why are so many Dominican women single mothers?

Women, especially young women, choose men based on THE WAY THEY MAKE THEM FEEL. This DOES NOT imply that these men would make good fathers or husbands. Low life men with a gift of gab or who wear nice clothes can easily manipulate a young woman's feelings. This is why in many societies the fathers choose their son in laws because fathers won't fall for the fancy clothes or gift of gab that no good men use on women. A father will choose a husband for his daughter based on logic, which in my opinion is the only metric that should be used.

Are you familiar with a man named Arthur Gaston? AG Gaston was one of the richest Black American men who ever lived. When he was young, he wanted to marry a woman. He had to go through her father, and he and the father discussed the issue like it was a business decision. The daughter had no say so and wasn't even present in the meetings. The father only agreed to allow Gaston to marry his daughter once Gaston made him a partner in his business. THIS is how marriages should be arranged, and are arranged among the powerful. Feelings and love are useless.
 
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Dark escorpion...There are advantages and disadvantages like every thing else in live..it depends on that individual person (boy or girl) some do good others dont. If you take care of them...chances are in your favor they will do well.
 

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I'd say, in general, this is true of most cultures between the tropic latitudes...

This is one of the reasons why Africa is unlikely to advance. Have you ever seen the works of Jared Diamond? He is the guy who wrote the book Guns, Germs, and Steel. This book explains the truth behind why Europeans where able to conquer the New World and Old World. Diamond reveals that it has less to do with innate/genetic European superiority and more to do with the European geography. Put in simple terms, Europe, especially Northern Europe, is one of the best pieces of real estate on planet Earth.

I was playing this online game a few weeks ago, and another player on the game asked me where I was from. I told him I was in the Caribbean and he laughed and said he is so jealous of me, since he lives in cold and rainy Germany. I thought to myself, yes, Germany may be cold and rainy compared to the DR and Caribbean, but geopolitically and geography, Germany is superior to the DR and all the other Caribbean islands. This is why Germany is so rich while the Dominican Republic is poor, it isn't so much because Germans are superior to Dominicans, it is just that Germans just happen to have better land. Regarding Africa, it will be extremely difficult for African nations to advance because they lack navigable rivers and they are packed with rainforests and jungles. You're not driving an 18 wheeler through a rainforest, and the cost of clearing that rainforest or jungle to build a highway system would not only bankrupt the state financially, it could also have dangerous ecological costs. Tropical nations, whether in South America, Africa, or Asia, generally have a history of instability and chaos, just look at Columbia or Rwanda.
 

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"Dark Scorpion" did you "Sting" yourself????
You are without a shred of a doubt, the most "F"d Up poster I have EVER seen on 10 years on DR1!
Please have a vasectomy today!
My DR wife had a 3 year old son when we got married 18 years ago.
If you marry a Dominicana, you better be ready to get her entire family at the same time!
That's why you should choose the right "Family" above the wife!
I helped raise that boy into a fine young man, and am very proud of his accomplishments in his short life!
Today he is in his third year of university, "UNAPEC" here in SD.
We have never had a harsh word,and he, just like my biological children, is "My Child"!
Hopefully you will never have the opportunity to teach a child your warped, misguided, and ignorant views on "LIFE"!
AND, "American Blacks" DO have a "Country".
It's called the "UNITED STATES of America"!
The vast majority, just like every other person "Born In The USA!",(Hey, Great "Title" For A Song!) love the USA, and have fought and died to show it!
I'm overjoyed that you left!
The USA's "Gain", is the DR's "LOSS" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Criss Colon, you and I are different. I'm more like a lion or bear, and you are more like......well, I'm actually at a loss of words to come up with a description. Anyway, lions and bears will not raise the offspring of rival males, they will kill them, put the mother back in heat, and then impregnate them. Now, while I'm certainly not that brutal, I can never see myself raising the child of another Dominican man. Why? Well, its pretty logical actually. Any resources I give to a Dominican step child would mean LESS resources for my own biological child, and that doesn't really make a lot of sense.

Criss, let me ask you this, why do expat men such as yourself feel that you should pay for the irresponsibility of the local women? Let me understand this, she couldn't keep her legs close and now she has used you to raise her child that another man had the pleasure of making with her? Isn't that kind of.........stupid? I don't mind helping a Dominican woman's family, but why on Earth would I raise her child that she had with some dead beat Dominican father? She should find her baby's daddy and get money from him, that to me is just logical.

Regarding African Americans, the USA is not really their country. You can't call a country "yours" when your people don't control the politics, military, or economics. Colon, if the USA was truly the country of African Americans, we would see Martin Luther King or Malcolm X or some other Black figure on the American currency........we do not. Black Americans are little more than a minority group living in a country where they have zero control over the politics or destiny. Black Americans did not write the Constitution or Bill or Rights, those documents were written by White American men. Therefore, the USA belongs to White Americans, Black Americans just live there and take up space.......
 
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