The Middle Class in the DR

Gurabo444

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The middle class is only a small part of the population but they all live in Santo Domingo, between Maximo Gomez to Luperon and Kennedy to Sarasota or maybe Independencia. So these 1,000,000 people you are seeing all around you when moving around in the capital.

Damn got to tell half the people I know that they're in the wrong place, no wonder....

"primero muerto que sencillo" is a typical dominican motto...

First time that I've ever heard that motto, asked my uncle who's obviously older than me and he has never heard it either.

Though, I agree with the whole notion of many Dominicans always wanting to show off instead of living comfortable, or withing their means. One motto that I've often heard is "el que anda a pie' no es nadie" in English; someone with no car is a nobody. Thanks to that, we have thousands of people who can't afford a change of tires owning cars.
 

ccarabella

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I've heard it a million times. People have criticized us for not being flashy, for my kids wearing Crocs (years ago before they were popular).
They'd even criticize my Dad for not driving his car anymore. My Dad always snapped back (in his NY kinda attitude) and put people in their place. "The owner rides in the back" he would say.
On the other hand people that are close to us have complimented us for being down to earth and not trying to keep up with the Jones' or is it the Gonzalez's?
 
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My next question would be how much coin is middle class. If you live in the Wash D.C area making 120 thousand a year (household), you don't have it "made" .In fact you are seriously limited on where you can live and I would doubt you are middle class
 

JayinRD

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In the DR, one either has too much or too little, nothing in-between.

From what i have observed for every Dominican here that has too much there are at least 10 with too little.. not a good ratio. I think the success of a country depends on a strong and growing middle class... and an effective, fairly non corrupt police force...maybe doesn't bode well for the future here.
 

pauleast

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.5 million is 500,000

Bob. That was NALs number not mine. I was just putting a period after the "WOW' my bad. However 5 million seems like a lot of middle class folks. There are a lot of well off people in Santiago, but I doubt a million people are.
 

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I've heard it a million times. People have criticized us for not being flashy, for my kids wearing Crocs (years ago before they were popular).
They'd even criticize my Dad for not driving his car anymore. My Dad always snapped back (in his NY kinda attitude) and put people in their place. "The owner rides in the back" he would say.
On the other hand people that are close to us have complimented us for being down to earth and not trying to keep up with the Jones' or is it the Gonzalez's?
It's all relative, and certainly not a DR state of mind only.

In New York, it's tough to pay rent, utilities, amenities, and lead a comfortable, sustainable lifestyle. People here do what many others have done; share living quarters, bills, ration themselves, etc.

People lead lives as prescribed by their personal priorities. If you only care to impress, you will make decisions accordingly. Conversely, like the Spanish saying goes: "No tienes con que caerte muerto"... If you worry about things such as putting food on the table, having a rainy day fund, retirement income, then most of your productive worker life is normally spent stashing money away like squirrels stash away nuts.

Younger people don't think about this because they're likely busy boosting their ego impressing women and friends. As you get older, these vanities are usually replaced with whatever current realities at hand. Not to say there's exceptions to the norm. I'm 34 and by no means I care to impress anyone. Ten years ago, however, I can think of several stupid mistakes I've made with money with the motto in mind: "You only live once".

I'll never understand why people can't respect each other's choices in life. Class really is a state of mind.
 

JayinRD

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Yep, My girlfriend can't understand why a "rich gringo" like me doesn't have the latest Iphone, drive around/own a gas guzzling tank, throw out used but good quality food, or buy a fancy big house here.
 

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So....when I write they ALL live in the Central Polygon, you really think I literally mean ALL? Ofcourse there are middle class people all over the place (not to mention Santiago, where many high class people live) , but within the boundaries of the streets I mentioned you'll find many of them. So if you move around in Santo Domingo you will think this country is full of owners of SUV's, nice USD200,000 appartments, luxurious malls etc. But we are talking about 5-10% of the population that is middle and high class and moves around in a relatively small place.
 

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Yep, My girlfriend can't understand why a "rich gringo" like me doesn't have the latest Iphone, drive around/own a gas guzzling tank, throw out used but good quality food, or buy a fancy big house here.

Perhaps her real Papi Chulo (benefactor) spoiled her with his casual RD100K investment, you are poor compared to him!
 

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My next question would be how much coin is middle class. If you live in the Wash D.C area making 120 thousand a year (household), you don't have it "made" .In fact you are seriously limited on where you can live and I would doubt you are middle class

Ok Considering that a professional with a master's degree here in SD can get work in an NGO for US $1500 a month.. so.. take my neighbors.. who would certainly be considered middle class.. not in the poligon.. one car, two carrers, two kids, private schools, nanny who does not live in.

I would say they are bringing in somewhere around $3000 US.

Starting salaries out of universities are $500 full time.
 

Chirimoya

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Targetted at high-ranking embassy staff, World Bank officials, or corporate executives. Why would a wealthy Dominican need to rent a mansion?
 

dv8

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My next question would be how much coin is middle class.

it depends on several factors, i guess, that will broaden up the money limits. location? SD or santiago cost more to live in than POP so you need more cash. kids? they are small money eaters, kids. housing situation? if you rent you need more, if huse fully paid expenses are smaller.

i would say the lower middle class will start maybe at 1k dollars a month for a single person who owns the house/apartment they live in. goes up all the way to something like 10-20k dollars a month that i will consider as high middle class. more than 250k dollars a year is going towards rich category and there are no limits there.
 

caribmike

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1K up to 10-20K is a wide range...

I conclude there must be a middle middle class btwn the lower and upper middle class... :confused:
 

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We had this discussion a few years ago and it was quite lively. :)

IMO after many years here and meeting many professionals in Santiago I believe a middle class lifestyle is a combined household income of starts at RD40k a month as this usually is enough to send the kids to a private school and have a vehicle and live in a concrete home. It will of course depend on the number of children and other costs.
 

mountainannie

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An embassy? Some of the places that I have seen where the NGO workers lived.. the head of Unicef? with a pool? Now I have no idea what the rental prices were.. and I certainly doubt that they were paying that much. But all the UN workers and foreign NGOs live well above what their salaries could afford them in their home countries. And.. well, of course, if one has money from ... shall we just say.. the darker side of the table.. why not live in such luxury?

That is really only an income of 336,000 a year.

The last time I read any figures, which was about 20 years ago, the cocaine cartels had an annual budget equal to the US military.. that is a LOT of money! I am not saying that it has to be black money.. just that we only think about one side of the table when there is an entire OTHER game in play here.
 

dv8

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1K up to 10-20K is a wide range...
I conclude there must be a middle middle class btwn the lower and upper middle class... :confused:

ok then :) my view, more precise:
1-3k dollars a month, lower middle class
3-10k dollars a month middle middle class
10-20k dollars a month high middle class

the comfort of living really depends on costs: rental, credits, number of kids and so on. a single person can live ok on 1k a month but a couple with 4 kids, not so much.
 

bienamor

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ok then :) my view, more precise:
1-3k dollars a month, lower middle class
3-10k dollars a month middle middle class
10-20k dollars a month high middle class

the comfort of living really depends on costs: rental, credits, number of kids and so on. a single person can live ok on 1k a month but a couple with 4 kids, not so much.

Your talking DOLLARS? at 10k a month thats 120,000 a year, thats a damn good living in a lots of areas of the USA. At 20k a month in a lot of areas of the US you would be considered rich. Know a lot of folks that make less than 3k a month in the USl. Now we are not talking NYC, DC, LA, etc