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Dominicanisation of Haiti/Haitians
I have witnessed Cap-Haitien over the past 15 years slowly morphing into an "almost Dominican" town. Now girls are wearing tight jeans and doing their hairs, guys are driving motorbikes and "conchoing"... You can definitely get the feel. In every tap-tap I use, there's always a guy asking me something in Spanish. Me depi m'pale anpil Kreyol, it makes everybody laughs when I answer in Cr?ole ;-)
https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=14000
Haitians lack basic policing services, and many residents do not report assaults, rape, and other crime because of lingering, and too-often justified, perceptions of police apathy, incompetence, and corruption.
A comparative analysis of figures from various police/security entities operating throughout Haiti reflects a continuation of the trend in which incidents of crimes are inaccurately or under-reported. The under-reporting is due to a lack of sufficient police presence and response capability and/or lack of faith in any action by the police to investigate. In a country of approximately 10 million people, the HNP has about 8,500 officers, approximately two-thirds of whom are deployed in the greater Port-au-Prince metropolitan area (Port-au-Prince has approximately two million residents). Due to this deficiency, many communities do not have the means to report crimes, though most experts agree that there is not much crime to report in provincial towns and rural areas. In addition, when crimes are reported they are not adequately documented in any sort of standardized reporting format.
Haitians lack basic policing services, and many residents do not report assaults, rape, and other crime because of lingering, and too-often justified, perceptions of police apathy, incompetence, and corruption.
A comparative analysis of figures from various police/security entities operating throughout Haiti reflects a continuation of the trend in which incidents of crimes are inaccurately or under-reported. The under-reporting is due to a lack of sufficient police presence and response capability and/or lack of faith in any action by the police to investigate. In a country of approximately 10 million people, the HNP has about 8,500 officers, approximately two-thirds of whom are deployed in the greater Port-au-Prince metropolitan area (Port-au-Prince has approximately two million residents). Due to this deficiency, many communities do not have the means to report crimes, though most experts agree that there is not much crime to report in provincial towns and rural areas. In addition, when crimes are reported they are not adequately documented in any sort of standardized reporting format.
I completely disagree, Haiti is littered with ONGs quick to point fingers always wishing for the worse in order to justify their presence/existence and the need for their services whatever they maybe. Because the worst things are in the country the easier they can justify the exorbitant sums spent for the little that they do and the glamorous lifestyles. In the last two years with the world focused on Haiti, with gold prospectors, expats, tourists all over Haiti and the Haitian Government making great strides in providing both cell phone and radio communication capabilities in all the provincial towns and rural areas by resurrecting the "Kaseks" program, also known in Creole as "Chef seksyon". All crimes are reported to them and in turn they report it to the nearest station who in turn investigates it and/o escalates it to the departmental level or refers it to the local justice of the peace.
Because of the assumption above, I think crime is over reported in Haiti, they used samplings of the overpopulated capital to reflect the crime rate for the entire country. People were dumfounded at first, because crime was so low. They assumed "Black Country+poor people= lots of crimes. Haitians overall are an extremely proud people, Haiti is the only place in the world that I will sleep in the bed of a pick-up truck while traveling throughout the country for days on end. Yes, the majority of Haitians are black, poor; but they humble, and very hospitable. Haiti overall is the safest poor country I have ever been to. Now say that for El Savador, Honduras, Nicargua, Guatemala.
Jeepito, sakap fet neg lakay. I couldn't believe they named that club the same as the one in Sto Dgo. Where is the creativity? There are many more latin clubs but let's remember this isn't a new phenomenon as a lot of Cubans live in Haiti and other Hispanics. What's new are the Colombianas are taking over the cafes where Dominicanas dominated.
Regarding Prestige and Barbancourt entering the DR Market, you need to know that these products are prohibited by Dominican government. You can still get these items in the black market in Little Haiti Santo Domingo. I personally think if Dominicans en masse get the taste of Prestige,presidente will go out of business. I have to say there are good exchanges but also we are also picking up there mauvaise moeurs as well.
Squat,
I wouldn't say a Dominican town rather Dominican influence on Haitians in Au Cap. The girls are also becoming materialistic like their dominican counterparts. tout moun vle iphone galaxyS even blackberrys are considered ti bagay malheureux. Motortaxi is king in P-au-prince..I think there are more in Haiti than DR as when I got into Santo Domingo it appeared I saw less zipping thru traffic. Also going to DR isn't even a big deal anymore..every Haitian seems to have gone once at least..there was a joke among my friends when a girl mentioned she's been to DR everyone laughed and said then you haven't traveled anywhere.
Are you sure that is what you wanted to write? Bro, a third world country remains a third world country. Some of them might have more PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURES THAN OTHERS, but the fact remains.
Haiti is safer than most countries in the CARRIBEAN! There is no doubt about that.
It's not my writing, it's a quote from the article. Did you read the article? It's from the US State Department on Diplomatic Safety. I'm sure it's reasonably accurate. They beg to differ with you on how safe Haiti is. The government had made some serious dents in the crime rate but: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/22/haiti-violent-crime-economic-costs
Bob,
Crime happens everywhere. I look at that picture and frankly can't relate as I would never enter these areas. Just like I am sure you're not going to enter Gualey,Cristo Rey, or hot barrio in the DR. The media has a tendency to focus on the worst area and paint all of Haiti with the same brush. Poverty sells, the ONG's/media are making a living off this. We can depict the USA Bronx where the crime rate is high and NYC where women are afraid to take a stroll in Central Park due to the predators waiting to snatch them into a secluded bush. Or Brooklyn where gang bangers are now killing one year old babies. I am sure many people will tell me well there are good parts in these boroughs. I assume you're getting my drift.
If Bob doesn't want to go to Haiti because of what the media puts out there then don't come but I can assure any tourist that travels to Haiti and stay within their own social class which they come from back home and not try to fulfill their vices in a country where poverty makes them appear to be gold then there wouldn't be a problem. I witness not to bright tourist walking around la Ville in shorts and sandals heading to places I wouldn't be caught dead walking. Kiyes ki voye yo al cheche tet maman la? A fek gade yo!! If you aren't interested good for you but don't put fear into others. Crime happens ever where. It's not like if crossing the border Bob is going to get swarmed by squad of killers.
I think not seeing PRESTIGE OR BARBANCOURT, is done on PURPOSE. If PRESTIGE is allowed in the OPEN in the DR, there will be no PRESIDENTE. I HAVE tried this PRESIDENTE BEER, it is purely WATER. I think that shows you that the third world mentality, no competition. Prestige and BARBANCOURT would be the king DR. I visited there twice, but could not find A PRESTIGE TO drink while i can walk now to any LIQUOR STORE in the US and buy a PRESTIGE OR BARBANCOURT
I can't believe that you would come up with something like this. Reggaeton from ATTICA and SING SING? Hardly. Reggaeton comes from PANAMA where the Latin music culture and the American musical traditions often mix to give birth to new ideas which catch on quickly throughout the region.
I don't think that there will be a "cultural Dominicanization" threat to Haiti as much as there will be a "cultural Globalization" threat as is happening all over the 3rd World. Heck there seems to be less and less "Dominicanization" happening in the D.R. as international retailers, food chains and hotel chains are beginning to dwarf local providers. It's these same businesses which will come to engulf the Haitian culture as the country develops, just as in the Dominican Republic.
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For my fellow music lovers, here's a bit of Reggae Roots, made in Haiti: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py-oXJvaUqI
JkC,
Mon Cher,
Pas fe sa. We do not need to point down their beer to uplift our own products. Besides, I don't drink beer that much to even continue discussing which beer is better. Again it's the Dominican gov't that has this ban whether done on purpose is not important, we should rather focus on the unilateral trade which is has been sens-unique for too long. Most of countries in Latin America have a monopoly on products. Please maintain the level of conversation with a sense of integrity and substance.
Mon Cher,
Pas fe sa. We do not need to point down their beer to uplift our own products. Besides, I don't drink beer that much to even continue discussing which beer is better. Again it's the Dominican gov't that has this ban whether done on purpose is not important, we should rather focus on the unilateral trade which is has been sens-unique for too long. Most of countries in Latin America have a monopoly on products. Please maintain the level of conversation with a sense of integrity and substance.
Hey, one person's perception is another person's reality. I'm not sure why you are giving me a dislike for a US State department report. I'm sure they didn't invent the information. I have no plans for going to Haiti at this time, however I wouldn't say I'll never go. I know several educated Haitians here in Jarabacoa, and they tell me they feel safer here than in Haiti.....so are they wrong as well.
Greydead,
You, too, are incorrect. Regueton is from Puerto Rico rather reggae en espanol is the home of beautiful Panama. I was sadden to find it hard to find a good salsa night club in Puerto Rico where reguedumb venues were everywhere.
Haiti will never ever become dominicanized rather it's influence will play a role and vice versa this little taboo has been going on for a very long time. Neither Haitians nor Dominicans want to admit this. I am sadden with the big baseball caps and colourful
sneakers basically American subculture. The world is doomed with this globalization mess.
Bob,
Vous etes tres sensible. I disliked your post because these reports are most of the time bias. Jarabacoa has a small affluent Haitian Community and I'm sure they will tell you they feel safer in Jarabacoa than Santo Domingo. Your opinion is as BIAS as the US Dept. Report. Jarabacoa is safer than many places in the DR as well thus I am confused. Again Haiti is a big country and there other places than just Port au Prince.
Actually, it's a fusion between dancehall reggae topped off with urban Latin lyrics. The forerunners were El General (Panamanian) and Noriega from Capone and Noriega here in the US. This, obviously, is before the likes of Daddy Yankee.
I remembered El General here in Brooklyn hanging out with Jamaicans and learning the patois and the music itself. He ran with it back to Panama and across Latin America. Even the genre "Dembow" is dancehall Jamaican reggae. The original, of course, being the great Shabba Ranks (Jamaican).
I remembered El General here in Brooklyn hanging out with Jamaicans and learning the patois and the music itself. He ran with it back to Panama and across Latin America. Even the genre "Dembow" is dancehall Jamaican reggae. The original, of course, being the great Shabba Ranks (Jamaican).