DR1 impetus for Dominican nationalism

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the gorgon

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I don't go by that, considering just the U.S. alone has over 4,000 2 to 4+ year colleges included.

Let alone when you add the top ten countries in the world by GDP/development.

Then again, places like the U.S. and U.K, where most of the top achievers are immigrants or one generation remove from an immigrant, it's hard to say who's who.

Also you add in the fact that you have massive R&D tied to gov and private finances in those top ten nations and you get the picture.

This is like arguing that the men that developed (came up with the idea and actual thing) using a rubber tire filled up with air for vehicles instead of rubber over wood/metal or stone(stone age) was SMARTER than the guy that placed the first hole on a round piece of stone and rolled away a load with it...

whaaaaa?????
 

windeguy

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Would you care to explain the relevance of your second link?

The second link has information where no University in the DR is listed until the ranking of between 2,000 and 5,000 in the world. Impossible to tell which exact DR schools are ranked and exactly where in that 2,000 to 5,000 range. The point is, no DR school in the top 2,000 world wide .
 

the gorgon

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The second link has information where no University in the DR is listed until the ranking of between 2,000 and 5,000 in the world. Impossible to tell which exact DR schools are ranked and exactly where in that 2,000 to 5,000 range. The point is, no DR school in the top 2,000 world wide .


nor the top 5000, either. PUCMM, at 5250, is the highest ranked.
 

windeguy

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I don't go by that, considering just the U.S. alone has over 4,000 2 to 4+ year colleges included.

Let alone when you add the top ten countries in the world by GDP/development.

Then again, places like the U.S. and U.K, where most of the top achievers are immigrants or one generation remove from an immigrant, it's hard to say who's who.

Also you add in the fact that you have massive R&D tied to gov and private finances in those top ten nations and you get the picture.

This is like arguing that the men that developed (came up with the idea and actual thing) using a rubber tire filled up with air for vehicles instead of rubber over wood/metal or stone(stone age) was SMARTER than the guy that placed the first hole on a round piece of stone and rolled away a load with it...

Next time in comprehensible English, please.
 

windeguy

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In your opinion, education in RD has no value. I would suggest that the vast majority of educators and graduates would disagree. And I would hazard a guess that you still don't have the 'nads to express your opinion to anyone in a face to face conversation.

A third tier education is still far better than no education. Nobody implied going to school here has no value. A degree from a school here generally carries little value outside of the DR.
 

Chip

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A third tier education is still far better than no education. Nobody implied going to school here has no value. A degree from a school here generally carries little value outside of the DR.

Not true. Many Americans and other foreigners study medicine in the DR and have done for many years and then go and get licensed in the States or Europe. Furthermore, PUCMM offers dual degrees with French and American universities.

Also, engineer with bachelor's from PUCMM can sit for the Fundamentals Exam in the States and can get registered as a professional engineer. This is saying a lot as not every college or university in the US can say this. I understand PUCMM is working toward getting ABET accreditation, which would be even more impressive given that Yale's Environmental Engineering program does not have this certification, just to give an example.
 

the gorgon

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Not true. Many Americans and other foreigners study medicine in the DR and have done for many years and then go and get licensed in the States or Europe. Furthermore, PUCMM offers dual degrees with French and American universities.

Also, engineer with bachelor's from PUCMM can sit for the Fundamentals Exam in the States and can get registered as a professional engineer. This is saying a lot as not every college or university in the US can say this. I understand PUCMM is working toward getting ABET accreditation, which would be even more impressive given that Yale's Environmental Engineering program does not have this certification, just to give an example.

maybe Yale is working on getting accreditation too.
 

windeguy

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Not true. Many Americans and other foreigners study medicine in the DR and have done for many years and then go and get licensed in the States or Europe. Furthermore, PUCMM offers dual degrees with French and American universities.

Also, engineer with bachelor's from PUCMM can sit for the Fundamentals Exam in the States and can get registered as a professional engineer. This is saying a lot as not every college or university in the US can say this. I understand PUCMM is working toward getting ABET accreditation, which would be even more impressive given that Yale's Environmental Engineering program does not have this certification, just to give an example.

I said generally in the DR. You picked medical and engineering disciplines (and at one school for engineering). What percentage of students are in those curricula in the DR?
 

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Good for Chip continuing his education and doing right for his family. However that does not excuse the cr*p he posts. It is irritating to no end how he feels he is the spoke person for the Dominican Republic. His around about comments insinuating that foreigners are the root of all evil and bad in DR. One thing I think managed to learn all these years in the DR is that the Dominican people have no respect for any foreigner that comes here and pretends to know how and what Dominicans think. You may have some comprehension but you will never truly know.
 

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As I see it, Chip is not responsible for the caliber and quality of the school system here.........
When a person knocks his effort by downgrading his education..........
You are just making yourself look small..........
He is making an outstanding effort in his education that few of us here as foreigners would ever consider...........
I may not agree with his views and ideas, but I do respect him for all the hard work he has taken upon himself to try and make himself a better man for himself and his family........
While a lot of dr1'ers talk about their experiences sitting in a bar.........
Chip is improving his future life for himself and his family with an extended education...........

B in Santiago

I agree that chip has done good things by getting a degree. I also agree that the quality available is not his responsibility.



Universities in the DR remain a third tier.

Jingoism says we should praise the universities not subject them to comparison that would result in them being ranked low.

Nationalism might say I hear criticism is it valid and what should I do.

What chip and others here are promoting is jingoism and that is a dead end.

As far as the size of my balls from another poster: it takes balls to accept criticism and a lot more to change. Most of what I am hearing is excuses for the conditions and denial of the conditions. That's what no balls means!

Don't blame me or others stating the facts because it hurts your feelings.
 

the gorgon

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Good for Chip continuing his education and doing right for his family. However that does not excuse the cr*p he posts. It is irritating to no end how he feels he is the spoke person for the Dominican Republic. His around about comments insinuating that foreigners are the root of all evil and bad in DR. One thing I think managed to learn all these years in the DR is that the Dominican people have no respect for any foreigner that comes here and pretends to know how and what Dominicans think. You may have some comprehension but you will never truly know.

truer words were never said. if you want to see contempt and disdain, try telling some guys here something they never knew before. try teaching them a better method of doing what they do. it burns them up, and they resent you for it. want proof? get a restaurant, hire them to cook, then try to teach them that it does not require a quart of oil to fry an egg. six weeks later, after telling them the same thing every day, you will still be going through a 55 gallon drum of oil per week.
 

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Bob, I wasn't clear I was describing his degree from PUCMM. They are reported here to be ranked about #5200. Better?

Perhaps if you had a first tier education your command of the English language would be better. LOL. PUCMM is ranked between 200 and 250 in Latin America. Even 5000th in the world isn't that bad. How many are they ranked against.
 

tommeyers

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Perhaps if you had a first tier education your command of the English language would be better. LOL. PUCMM is ranked between 200 and 250 in Latin America. Even 5000th in the world isn't that bad. How many are they ranked against.

They were ranked against at least 4999. Ranking against more than what they had been ranked against would result in either no change (stay at 5000) or to a higher number (>5000). No improvement.
 

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"No Offense",To "My Fren" Chump, or to "Bob" either, but I seriously doubt that chip has ever seen, studied in, or visited, Clemson!!!!!
His studies were done here in the DR, not in the USA!
Again,..."No Offense",..."My Fren"!
I went to Harvard,when I lived in Boston, just not for very long!
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Any jobs yet chip,..."My Fren"???????? :cheeky::cheeky::cheeky::cheeky:
"No Offense"!!!!!! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
 

PICHARDO

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"No Offense",To "My Fren" Chump, or to "Bob" either, but I seriously doubt that chip has ever seen, studied in, or visited, Clemson!!!!!
His studies were done here in the DR, not in the USA!
Again,..."No Offense",..."My Fren"!
I went to Harvard,when I lived in Boston, just not for very long!
CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC

Any jobs yet chip,..."My Fren"???????? :cheeky::cheeky::cheeky::cheeky:
"No Offense"!!!!!! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Getting a visitor's pass for a day in Harvard does not translates into attending CCCCCCCC....
 

keepcoming

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Last night a well educated Dominican man told us at dinner that the Dominican people have a huge responsibility/part in why the Dominican is the way it is. He was very clear to say that foreigners are not the reason the country is in the state it is in. He also said accepting the Dominican way of life as a foreigner living here is one thing, pretending to know and understand is another. Only a Dominican truly knows, the rest just pretend. Living in the Dominican and getting continuing education does not make one Dominican or give one the ability to know and understand how a Dominican truly feels and thinks about his/her country. Another interesting comment was Dominicans have no respect for anyone who has such a high dislike for their home country, whether it is to their face or behind their backs. Why do think there is so much Dominican Pride amongst those living abroad he said, because they never forget where they came from. Interesting comments I thought.
 
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