Beach Rules

[PJT]

There are some resort beach fronts that have posted beach rules. Some rules are reasonable and others tend to be really controlling. Supposedly, all beaches are public up to 60 meters from the high water mark and the public can supposedly use them within those bounds. However, the belief is beyond the public 60 meters the resorts do have complete control of the use and activities on the property.

The question is does a resort have the right to deny: a beach goer the use of his/her own beach chair; the use of his/her beach umbrella; or the use of a picnic within the 60 meters? Most of us are well aware some resorts use bullying to maintain control of their beach fronts. The laws may indicate the bullying has no rule of law behind the behavior.

The laws regarding the use of resort beach areas were amended in recent years (Leonel) to favor the resorts vs public use. But of course, nothing was published or distributed in a manner to make the public completely aware of the use and accessibility of resort beaches.

What does Guzman have to say?



Regards,

PJT

 

[dv8]

Most of us are well aware some resorts use bullying to maintain control of their beach fronts. The laws may indicate the bullying has no rule of law behind the behavior.

but it does, honey, it does...

dominican constitution, chapter 4 "natural resources, article 15:
Las cuencas altas de los r?os y las zonas de biodiversidad end?mica, nativa y migratoria, son objeto de protecci?n especial por parte de los poderes p?blicos para garantizar su gesti?n y preservaci?n como bienes fundamentales de la Naci?n. Los r?os, lagos, lagunas, playas y costas nacionales pertenecen al dominio p?blico y son de libre acceso, observ?ndose siempre el respeto al derecho de propiedad privada. La ley regular? las condiciones, formas y servidumbres en que los particulares acceder?n al disfrute o gesti?n de dichas ?reas.

https://es.globalvoices.org/2009/10/28/republica-dominicana-acceso-restringido-a-las-playas/
http://eldia.com.do/privatizacion-de-playas-y-rios/

so if the only access to the beach is through private property, then there is no access. and rightly so.

 

[ramesses]

I guess the goal is to buy all of the land around the beach?

Can you enter said beach on a boat?

 

[dv8]

I guess the goal is to buy all of the land around the beach?

before you get on a high horse think: if it was your private property that had access to the beach, would you let hundreds of people pass by, leaving a trail of trash in their wake? there will always be places open to all, like long beach in POP, along the malecon.

 

[windeguy]

I guess the goal is to buy all of the land around the beach?

Can you enter said beach on a boat?

The law is ambiguously worded now to protect the private property owner. A lawyer would need to answer that question.

 

[ramesses]

before you get on a high horse think: if it was your private property that had access to the beach, would you let hundreds of people pass by, leaving a trail of trash in their wake? there will always be places open to all, like long beach in POP, along the malecon.

I have no opinion on whether this is right or wrong. I am curious is all.

(Long beach is a bad example, I would not wish that beach on my worst enemy. :cheeky: )

 

[dv8]

long beach is a good example. it is filthy and contaminated because of small streams that enter the ocean there after passing through several barrios. maybe if people cared more for their own surroundings we could have public access to more beaches...

 

[PJT]

The core of PJT's question is about bringing personal comfort items and foodstuffs to the beach and being hassled and denied the use of those items by the resorts. The question is not about access, it is about one's use and enjoyment of the public space at resort beach fronts.

Regards,

PJT

 

[ramesses]

long beach is a good example. it is filthy and contaminated because of small streams that enter the ocean there after passing through several barrios. maybe if people cared more for their own surroundings we could have public access to more beaches...

I was curious for my own use as a tourist not on a resort.

 

[dv8]

The core of PJT's question is about bringing personal comfort items and foodstuffs to the beach and being hassled and denied the use of those items by the resorts. The question is not about access, it is about one's use and enjoyment of the public space at resort beach fronts.

most of beaches open to public have regulations in place such as no glass containers, no animals, no music and so on. the legislation regarding contamination of such areas can be found here: http://www.vertic.org/media/Nationa...ublic/DO_Ley_General_sobre_Medio_Ambiente.pdf

 

[LTSteve]

The core of PJT's question is about bringing personal comfort items and foodstuffs to the beach and being hassled and denied the use of those items by the resorts. The question is not about access, it is about one's use and enjoyment of the public space at resort beach fronts.

Regards,

PJT

Find a beach that isn't in front of a resort. Also, please don't refer to yourself in your own question. Come on man!

 

[Lobo Tropical]

There are some resort beach fronts that have posted beach rules. Some rules are reasonable and others tend to be really controlling. Supposedly, all beaches are public up to 60 meters from the high water mark and the public can supposedly use them within those bounds. However, the belief is beyond the public 60 meters the resorts do have complete control of the use and activities on the property.

The question is does a resort have the right to deny: a beach goer the use of his/her own beach chair; the use of his/her beach umbrella; or the use of a picnic within the 60 meters? Most of us are well aware some resorts use bullying to maintain control of their beach fronts. The laws may indicate the bullying has no rule of law behind the behavior.

The laws regarding the use of resort beach areas were amended in recent years (Leonel) to favor the resorts vs public use. But of course, nothing was published or distributed in a manner to make the public completely aware of the use and accessibility of resort beaches.

What does Guzman have to say?



Regards,

PJT

It makes sense that a resort within their property line maintains standards for the comfort and enjoyment of all guests. In an AI resort there are established eating and service areas.
The lounge chairs and umbrellas also conform to a standard and colour code.
Similar to a condo where the use of common or limited common property is controlled.

 

[windeguy]

The resort owners will kick your arse off their beach, if they want to, no matter how you got there.

That is the bottom line.

 

[AnnaC]

The core of PJT's question is about bringing personal comfort items and foodstuffs to the beach and being hassled and denied the use of those items by the resorts. The question is not about access, it is about one's use and enjoyment of the public space at resort beach fronts.

Regards,

PJT

Are you asking if you can bring your own chair and food to an AI resort which you have paid for?

 

[caribmike]

If Dominicans would use common sense instead of behave like pigs on public beaches then we would need a lot less rules regulating beach use etc....

 

[drescape24]

The fact of the matter is, Dominicans are bad for a resorts business if they are allowed to have access to the resorts beach.
The trash, loud music, sand throwing, yelling and drunkingness.
I personally won't go to Sosua main beach on Sundays or holidays.

 

[PJT]

Yes or No !

The question is and was do the resorts have the right "by law" to deny users, non-guests, on the public part of their beach fronts the use of their own personal items such as chairs, umbrellas, and picnics?

A simple yes or no answer would suffice with a brief explanation.


Regards,

PJT

 

[Wheathead]

I had a "beach cop" try to bully me off the beach in front of the Barcelo Dominican Beach hotel as I was metal detecting about 10 feet from the shore line. First time he came, I said it was "public" and I had the right to be there. 10 minutes later he came back and then I waved my hand at him and said "It's public beach, VAMOS!"
He left with his tail between his legs....

 

[the gorgon]

The fact of the matter is, Dominicans are bad for a resorts business if they are allowed to have access to the resorts beach.
The trash, loud music, sand throwing, yelling and drunkingness.
I personally won't go to Sosua main beach on Sundays or holidays.

that is exactly why you will see very few upper class Dominicans going to any of these AIs during any of the holiday seasons. if you think gringos hate the slovenly behavior, you need to check out the high society. they have even less tolerance for the bullcrap than do foreigners. foreigners will simple say that it is their country, and they can throw as many beer bottles in the water as they like. the old money just does not want to be anywhere near them.

 

[Expat13]

long beach is a good example. it is filthy and contaminated because of small streams that enter the ocean there after passing through several barrios. maybe if people cared more for their own surroundings we could have public access to more beaches...

Reminds me of a short clip i did at a beachfront in Santo Domingo, its free Access for all! You can see how well kept it is.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ8vbQrjmIE