A lot of businesses closed in Sosua

Timotero

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And had you been here 37 years ago you would have seen real change. Places change, sometimes for the better.

Lol. 37 years ago most of my music was on 8-track tapes.........and I don't think that format is going to return either. (;-)
 

ohmmmm

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The sidewalks between downtown and Cheramicos along the main road were started in about July 2014 and have yet to be completed and are an ugly eyesore. The downtown sidewalks have not been completed and is basically a pile of rubble in front of the old Rumba and D'latins. The government can destroy and kill Sosua but it has no real plans and money to even finish the small projects it has started. The town's infrastructure is terrible. There are old falling apart and ugly buildings everywhere... Do you really think families will want to walk around a dilapidated city like Sosua and feel safe? Its not cute, its not family visitor friendly...with or without some hookers walking around at night... Nothing is happening other than Esplanade and they will have to be bused around to different locations from there I would guess... Sosua isn't going anywhere at the present time...a few remaining tourists are clustered in the remaining businesses downtown so it looks like there is something going on...but its minimal. Bars closing at midnight during the week is not tourist friendly. Police in full gear driving around in pickup trucks and blue vans is not tourist friendly. Stinky water in the gutters of the streets is not tourist friendly. unfinished sidewalks in downtown is not tourist friendly. Guys in loud motos driving fast the wrong way down streets is not tourist friendly. Broken sidewalks all over is not tourist friendly. No street lights is not tourist friendly. Guys and kids hustling you at night for parking downtown is not tourist friendly. No signs pointing to the beaches and public trash bins are not tourist friendly. Tourism is up around the North Coast, but not in Sosua. This winter season I expect Cabarete to do well. There is a lot of new development in Cabarete happening now that will open in early 2017. its the place to be to go out dancing and enjoying life. Thank you tourism director, your restaurant and investments in cabarete will be just fine...
 

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As a resident, sometimes one just doesn't see the town with the same eyes as tourists do.

I agree that there are many, many things that residents (Dominicans and ex-pats) sort of just sigh and put up with and give a shoulder shrug, and say, "That's Sosua."

The previous posts delineating all the things that make Sosua not tourist-friendly are a wake-up call, of sorts.

The only thing with which I disagree is the increased police presence. That I don't mind.
 
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cavok

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The sidewalks between downtown and Cheramicos along the main road were started in about July 2014 and have yet to be completed and are an ugly eyesore. The downtown sidewalks have not been completed and is basically a pile of rubble in front of the old Rumba and D'latins. The government can destroy and kill Sosua but it has no real plans and money to even finish the small projects it has started. The town's infrastructure is terrible. There are old falling apart and ugly buildings everywhere... Do you really think families will want to walk around a dilapidated city like Sosua and feel safe? Its not cute, its not family visitor friendly...with or without some hookers walking around at night... Nothing is happening other than Esplanade and they will have to be bused around to different locations from there I would guess... Sosua isn't going anywhere at the present time...a few remaining tourists are clustered in the remaining businesses downtown so it looks like there is something going on...but its minimal. Bars closing at midnight during the week is not tourist friendly. Police in full gear driving around in pickup trucks and blue vans is not tourist friendly. Stinky water in the gutters of the streets is not tourist friendly. unfinished sidewalks in downtown is not tourist friendly. Guys in loud motos driving fast the wrong way down streets is not tourist friendly. Broken sidewalks all over is not tourist friendly. No street lights is not tourist friendly. Guys and kids hustling you at night for parking downtown is not tourist friendly. No signs pointing to the beaches and public trash bins are not tourist friendly. Tourism is up around the North Coast, but not in Sosua. This winter season I expect Cabarete to do well. There is a lot of new development in Cabarete happening now that will open in early 2017. its the place to be to go out dancing and enjoying life. Thank you tourism director, your restaurant and investments in cabarete will be just fine...

I think this is one of the main obstacles - the local and central governments have absolutely no "skin in the game". They are doing nothing to make Sosua more attractive to both tourists and developers alike. They think all they have to do is get rid of the whores and everyone will be flocking to Sosua in no time. That's not going to cut it IMO. They have no real plan that I see(?).
 

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I think this is one of the main obstacles - the local and central governments have absolutely no "skin in the game". They are doing nothing to make Sosua more attractive to both tourists and developers alike. They think all they have to do is get rid of the whores and everyone will be flocking to Sosua in no time. That's not going to cut it IMO. They have no real plan that I see(?).

You have a very short memory. The government (with private investment partners) is the only body that can address the situation.

DR1 News a week ago.....

President Medina visits Puerto Plata

President Danilo Medina was in the north coast province of Puerto Plata on Sunday, 11 September 2016, visiting the towns of Cabarete and Sosua to mingle with the people. In Cabarete, community representatives asked the President to help speed up the construction of the public school and a water treatment plant. They also asked for street lighting and paving, the town bypass, a cemetery, the small Catalina Bridge, and a clinic, as reported on the Presidency web page.

In Sosua, President Medina listened to community representatives expressing a series of needs, including improvements to the hospital, the potable water supply, and street paving.

Medina was accompanied by Administrative Minister of the Presidency Jose Ramon Peralta and Minister of Public Works Gonzalo Castillo.

https://presidencia.gob.do/noticias/...-y-sosua-video


 
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Does anyone know what the Mayor means by “Family Tourism”?

Is it a Family with kids?

Has any one heard of any kid-friendly developments completed recently in Sosua?

From what I have read, it always sounds like a toothless (money less) dream of Family Tourism, followed by “That wasn't me who did that. It was Puerto Plata or Santa Domingo doing it”
I am looking for examples of positive plans, like we are actually building something or truly listening to suggestions. Not a negative plans like we closed this or we restricted that.

Can someone direct me to a clear (with money to back it up) plan for Sosua issued by the Mayor's Office?

What I have seen lately, being praised as proof of “Family Tourism” looks like it is marketed at couples with money, not families with kids.
 

cavok

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You have a very short memory. The government (with private investment partners) is the only body that can address the situation.

DR1 News a week ago.....

President Medina visits Puerto Plata

President Danilo Medina was in the north coast province of Puerto Plata on Sunday, 11 September 2016, visiting the towns of Cabarete and Sosua to mingle with the people. In Cabarete, community representatives asked the President to help speed up the construction of the public school and a water treatment plant. They also asked for street lighting and paving, the town bypass, a cemetery, the small Catalina Bridge, and a clinic, as reported on the Presidency web page.

In Sosua, President Medina listened to community representatives expressing a series of needs, including improvements to the hospital, the potable water supply, and street paving.

Medina was accompanied by Administrative Minister of the Presidency Jose Ramon Peralta and Minister of Public Works Gonzalo Castillo.

https://presidencia.gob.do/noticias/...-y-sosua-video



Not at all. In Sosua, President Medina listened to community representatives expressing a series of needs, including improvements to the hospital, the potable water supply, and street paving. Doesn't sound like much of a plan to me. And when would any of this even start? Maybe after they finish the highway from the cruise ship port that was promised a year or two ago?
 

dv8

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You have a very short memory. The government (with private investment partners) is the only body that can address the situation.
DR1 News a week ago.....
President Medina visits Puerto Plata

i really think that danilo's surprise visits have most to do with getting in touch with votes. i mean, people, yes.
he listens to the issues, makes some promises, carries out some much needed works...

he is mainly looking at improving the lives of regular dominicans within the budget means for that particular area.

in case of sosua it's not much of the benefit of tourism, really. paving barrios, providing infrastructure to the poor, building public school or public hospital, none of this directly translates into something that would propel tourism.
 

cobraboy

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Does anyone know what the Mayor means by “Family Tourism”?

Is it a Family with kids?

Has any one heard of any kid-friendly developments completed recently in Sosua?

From what I have read, it always sounds like a toothless (money less) dream of Family Tourism, followed by “That wasn't me who did that. It was Puerto Plata or Santa Domingo doing it”
I am looking for examples of positive plans, like we are actually building something or truly listening to suggestions. Not a negative plans like we closed this or we restricted that.

Can someone direct me to a clear (with money to back it up) plan for Sosua issued by the Mayor's Office?

What I have seen lately, being praised as proof of “Family Tourism” looks like it is marketed at couples with money, not families with kids.
I'm guessing "Family Tourism" is a euphemism for "Not Sex Tourists."
 

CristoRey

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They think all they have to do is get rid of the whores and
everyone will be flocking to Sosua in no time.

Not trying to go off topic here but
I still say the little daylight video/ photo shoot was
the straw that broke the camel?s back.
 

ramesses

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As a resident, sometimes one just doesn't see the town with the same eyes as tourists do.

I agree that there are many, many things that residents (Dominicans and ex-pats) sort of just sigh and put up with and give a shoulder shrug, and say, "That's Sosua."

The previous posts delineating all the things that make Sosua not tourist-friendly are a wake-up call, of sorts.

The only thing with which I disagree is the increased police presence. That I don't mind.

To a tourist, the level of police presence is shocking. I have had first time visitors ask me if the place is so dangerous that that type of police presence is needed.
 
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The Tipping Point

Not trying to go off topic here but
I still say the little daylight video/ photo shoot was
the straw that broke the camel?s back.

Certainly not off topic and I agree 100%. Although only a few months old, this is a huge thread in both number of posts and number of views. Remember, the operating hours for businesses serving alcohol weren't even changed when this thread started.

That little "scene" in front of the old La Roca restaurant took place just before SANTO DOMINGO closed four bars, ordered the enforcement of the legal operating hours and closed down Pedro Clisante at night to vehicular traffic on July 7, 2015. And those three subjects have been the topic of hundreds of posts in this thread.

In my post #187 on July 5, 2016, I mentioned that exact incident as being the tipping point for things to come, specifically including: closing the streets, changing the operating hours for businesses serving alcohol, and business designations as "bar" "disco" or "restaurant". Also specifying WHO would be ordering the "changes". I was even criticized for posting "vague and meaningless information". THREE DAYS LATER government officials arrived on Pedro Clisante closing down four "bars", ordering the street closed at night, and changing the operating hours.

And although the street is no longer closed at night the change in operating hours is still enforced, and "bars" are now reopening as "restaurants". Just look at Chez Monreal, Rumba and D'Latin Drink. Chez Monreal just completed a significant renovation to conform more to a "restaurant" standard. Rumba bar is currently in the process of renovating and re-opening as a restaurant. And just TODAY Willy started the renovation of his "D'Latin Drink" bar to also re-open as a restaurant, his workers were there all day starting the reconstruction.

This thread is quite large and has been running for several months. To save time searching thourgh the entire thread, although rereading the posts from several months ago is interesting, here is what I posted three days before the changes that are now being blamed for some of Sos?a's current woes, and my specific mention about the filming incident.

I'm sorry I can't be more specific or post more frequently.

I work full time here, 7:00am to 7:00pm in my office or on the road, six days a week, and I must be available 24/7. Posting on DR1 does not take precedence over my daily obligations. Like I stated earlier, what I do post here are usually excerpts of what I observe and document elswere. So there are times when I'm out of the Sos?a "loop" and cannot post intelligently, accurately or with specific detail regarding the events taking place. And this has been the case for about the last two weeks, besides being out of the country for a few days I've been forced to endure a week in Santo Domingo. Finally, I'm back here on the north coast.

Regarding specific changes it is almost impossible to say. Right now there are many people involved, each with their own version of what should be done to "clean up" Sos?a. Just look at the article linked by "dv8" above. Not even "el procurador general de la Rep?blica; Francisco Dom?nguez Brito" can be specific other than to say that in the "coming days" they will start to confront Sos?a's "problems". According to him they have a "new offensive", but again, no specifics yet.

Some of the general changes I've already posted earlier. Maybe this will be a little clearer.

Pedro Clisante WILL AGAIN BE CLOSED to vehicular traffic in the evenings. When it will actually be implemented and what days and hours, I don't know. But it will be closed at some point.

There is discussion of regulating the hours of operation of the businesses on PC. Again, nothing has been finalized. Part of the problem is how certain businesses will be categorized. Whether they will be designated as a "bar", "disco" or "restaurant" will determine their opening and closing times.


The discussion of the proverbial "red-light" district is always addressed to some extent but the logistics are rather complicated. Apparently it is still "on the table."

The demolition of the "La Roca" restuarant was supposed to take place several weeks ago according to the head of the "cuerpo de bomberos" with whom I spoke personally. That has been delayed but they have removed some of the second floor beams and cleaned all the debris from the front and side facing the street. Still standing and not much of an improvement.

However, it seemed like it was enough of an improvement for some "photographers" from the U.S. to use it as a backdrop for their shoot of a scantily clad "model". Unfortunately, this drew the attention of too many casual "onlookers" and these "photographers" found themselves being sent to jail in Puerto Plata and having to pay for their release.

This specific event, in my opinion, will be the tipping point for Sos?a in general and Pedro Clisante specifically.


As I receive more information I will post some important observations of the changing situation here in Sos?a. Some are my own, but more importantly, most will be from the people who will ultimately be responsible for what actually happens here.

One caveat. The last time I attempted to intelligently present certain facts and address certain specific issues which are taking place here in Sos?a, the thread was abruptly closed .As usually happens with threads concerning Sos?a it degenerates into personal attacks and unfounded accusations by posters with their own agenda who don't have the first damn clue as to what is actually happening here in Sos?a.

BUT KNOW THIS.

Some of the most powerful people in the entire country have now focused on Sos?a collectively and made it a part of their public agenda, including the procurador general, Francisco Dominguez Brito, the head of the Ministerio de Turismo and the head of the Ministerio de Interior y Polic?a, just to name a few. And Sos?a "events" are now appearing in the national media with greater frequency.

You can be damn sure changes are going to be made. Hopefully this thread will remain open to discuss them intelligently.
 

ramesses

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The government's only plan is to get rid of the working girls and magically big investors will come. They have done nothing else

The infrastructure and physical clean up of the town is the key.

There is a very good chance that 5 years from now, things will be much the same in Sosua.
 

cavok

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Certainly not off topic and I agree 100%. Although only a few months old, this is a huge thread in both number of posts and number of views. Remember, the operating hours for businesses serving alcohol weren't even changed when this thread started.

That little "scene" in front of the old La Roca restaurant took place just before SANTO DOMINGO closed four bars, ordered the enforcement of the legal operating hours and closed down Pedro Clisante at night to vehicular traffic on July 7, 2015. And those three subjects have been the topic of hundreds of posts in this thread.

In my post #187 on July 5, 2016, I mentioned that exact incident as being the tipping point for things to come, specifically including: closing the streets, changing the operating hours for businesses serving alcohol, and business designations as "bar" "disco" or "restaurant". Also specifying WHO would be ordering the "changes". I was even criticized for posting "vague and meaningless information". THREE DAYS LATER government officials arrived on Pedro Clisante closing down four "bars", ordering the street closed at night, and changing the operating hours.

And although the street is no longer closed at night the change in operating hours is still enforced, and "bars" are now reopening as "restaurants". Just look at Chez Monreal, Rumba and D'Latin Drink. Chez Monreal just completed a significant renovation to conform more to a "restaurant" standard. Rumba bar is currently in the process of renovating and re-opening as a restaurant. And just TODAY Willy started the renovation of his "D'Latin Drink" bar to also re-open as a restaurant, his workers were there all day starting the reconstruction.

This thread is quite large and has been running for several months. To save time searching thourgh the entire thread, although rereading the posts from several months ago is interesting, here is what I posted three days before the changes that are now being blamed for some of Sos?a's current woes, and my specific mention about the filming incident.

"Del dicho al hecho hay gran trecho".