A lot of businesses closed in Sosua

[CristoRey]

I don't want to argue but you did post this:

And I stand by it. The point I was trying to make was if they just yank the rug out from
under these people?s feet without warning its a bad idea. The transition (if it can be called
that) should be a more gradual one. If thats to be considered local officials being ?held hostage?
by ?a potential crime increase?... then so be it. Welcome to life in a third world country a.k.a. Wonderland.

I don?t live in Charamicos anymore but I?m still in contact with alot of Dominicans who do
and every single one of them I know will tell you the exact same thing. Keep shutting down
local businesses and taking away MONEY.. crime is going to increase.

 

[cobraboy]

And I stand by it. The point I was trying to make was if they just yank the rug out from
under these people?s feet without warning its a bad idea.

There have been warnings for years.

It's like saying "We shouldn't stop drug dealing because the dealers will get angry. How will they support themselves?"

Of course nobody wants their ox gored. But the wise will see the inevitable coming and relocate said ox where it won't get gored.

 

[CristoRey]

But the wise will see the inevitable coming and relocate said ox where it won't get gored.

I would go as far to say these criminals are wise folks (therein lies the problem for most) ...
however I do understand your point. It make perfect sense to sensible people.

 

[CristoRey]

I would like to add that a lot of the crime that happens on the north coast,
committed by Dominicans against Dominicans, as is the case in most towns/
cities across the country, goes unreported so there?s no way to really tell
whether or not the closing of these businesses has caused or will cause
crime to increase other than asking the Dominicans who live there, which I
have done.

I?m simply sharing with you some of things Dominicans I know who
are living in Charamicos, Sosua Abajo, and Maranata have said
to me in the last few weeks.

 

[NY-DR Commuter]

Like everything else in this world, some people underestimate and some people overestimate. At the risk of overestimating, many mongers marry these women and many send Western union payments. These people are invisible on the streets but still contribute something to the local economy.

You are overestimating.

They certainly contribute something, but to the local economy it isn't much, especially since a large percentage of the sex workers do not actually live in Sos?a, which some people tend to forget or do not know.

Years ago a greater percentage and a greater overall number of the local sex workers would marry their clients, back then it was their ultimate goal. The demographic has changed, and in the past few years, drastically. The majority of sex workers and sex tourists have different "goals" in today's Sos?a.

The local Western Union office, while still a substantial source of revenue for many, has seen a decline with the changed demographic.

 

[ju10prd]

Those 80,000 Dominicans aren't going anywhere. They're staying right here, and the population of Sos?a will CONTINUE to grow. Sos?a will never be just another Dominican town. It's beaches, tranquil bay, parks, international schools, proximity to an international airport, availability of imported products in it's supermarkets, abundance of beachfront residences, etc. will allow it to continue to grow.

As perhaps the most informed poster on matters Sosua, can you shed light on the stated populations.

The 2010 census found that there were 29,653 persons residing in the Sosua (49,593 in the municipality). A far greater number is always quoted by posters which presumably includes those that have migrated here for other purposes from the interior, Haiti and abroad and may have been recorded elsewhere in the census. https://web.archive.org/web/2012100...s/Resumen_resultados_generales_censo_2010.pdf

 

[NY-DR Commuter]

As perhaps the most informed poster on matters Sosua, can you shed light on the stated populations.

The 2010 census found that there were 29,653 persons residing in the Sosua (49,593 in the municipality). A far greater number is always quoted by posters which presumably includes those that have migrated here for other purposes from the interior, Haiti and abroad and may have been recorded elsewhere in the census. https://web.archive.org/web/2012100...s/Resumen_resultados_generales_censo_2010.pdf

At times I am lazy and just re-quote information posted by other dr1 contributors as I think you know.

In the case of the population figures for Sos?a I haven't checked since the election but I recall it being closer to 60,000. It is a large municipality, extending all the way east to Sabaneta and west to Cangrejo. The factors you mention contribute significantly. For that reason and also my own experience with their "methodology", I believe the 2010 amounts reported are substantially less than the latest figures.

 

[aname4me]

I follow two Sosua forums.
DR1 and a Sosua Monger forum.
I'm not a Monger, but I do like to know how the enemy thinks.

When this year's closers and early closings hit, there was a lot of outrage on the Monger Forum.

But...
In the last two months, the talk is based on frequent “I just got back” reports.
The Monger Forum is of the opinion, that Sosua is still open for business.
The Monger just have to start earlier in the day.
The Chicas are now sitting 5 or 6 to a table with a single order of chips (adjusting to Restaurant not Bar format).
Talk of using Social pages and Apps and Monger-sharing to get contact info before they go.

Who really thinks that closing the Bars at midnight would stop these guys.

The real punishment was to the Bar owners who have lost the two most lucrative hours of the day, and are being ask to re-tool to be Restaurants.


The “Family Tourists” will be starting to book their Holidays soon.

Sosua has to get it act together, or face a troubled winter (high season).

You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear (at least, not over night).

 

[Bronxboy]

I'm not a Monger, but I do like to know how the enemy thinks.

???????????

 

[CristoRey]

I would go as far to say these criminals are wise folks (therein lies the problem for most) ...
however I do understand your point. It make perfect sense to sensible people.

I wouldn?t go as far to say..
Sheesh. Type o. Morning coffee is a must...

 

[ohmmmm]

I follow two Sosua forums.
DR1 and a Sosua Monger forum.
I'm not a Monger, but I do like to know how the enemy thinks.

When this year's closers and early closings hit, there was a lot of outrage on the Monger Forum.

But...
In the last two months, the talk is based on frequent “I just got back” reports.
The Monger Forum is of the opinion, that Sosua is still open for business.
The Monger just have to start earlier in the day.
The Chicas are now sitting 5 or 6 to a table with a single order of chips (adjusting to Restaurant not Bar format).
Talk of using Social pages and Apps and Monger-sharing to get contact info before they go.

Who really thinks that closing the Bars at midnight would stop these guys.

The real punishment was to the Bar owners who have lost the two most lucrative hours of the day, and are being ask to re-tool to be Restaurants.


The “Family Tourists” will be starting to book their Holidays soon.

Sosua has to get it act together, or face a troubled winter (high season).

You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear (at least, not over night).

I would have thought that the authorities would want to keep the chicas in the bars and not on the street. Also I would have thought the authorities would want to allow late night activities rather than force the activity to earlier hours.

 

[aname4me]

What consenting adult do, is their own business.

Mongers eat three meals a day and drink.
They (their money) supports many ordinary people in Sosua.
They keep many Restaurants and Bars open (and I get to use them).
So, thank you Mongers.

My problem with Mongers is that some can act like immature adolescents and this attracts the attention of the “better people” of Sosua who then want to “do something to stop them”.

 

[dv8]

i'm good with mongers, personally. i read monger forums too. the vast majority of visitors who come here just for sex keep low profile, enjoy the beach, have few drinks; they live like a regular expat. nothing in your face, nothing dramatic.

 

[Drak]

Has any one heard of any kid-friendly developments completed recently in Sosua?

Yup!

Inside the courtyard at Bailey's restaurant, brand new-ish play center...

Great place for all the family!

 

[chico bill]

Yup!

Inside the courtyard at Bailey's restaurant, brand new-ish play center...

Great place for all the family!

It's good for small kids but is not that recent and won't hold their attention as long as Bailey's batida de guineo will.

https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/...0565a56da00b618d582756c5fed78ec1&action=click

 

[NY-DR Commuter]

How many are you counting as a few?

Exactly, I couldn't say. Although I drive down Pedro Clisante every day, I haven't counted. What I can tell you is this, there are certainly less than there were several years ago, although that number will increase by two as soon as "Rumba" and "D'Latin Drink" make the transition.

I meant without the badge, and the debauchery as their ONLY income...

They make more illicit income with the badge than without. Not having the badge actually eliminates the opportunity for some.

 

[NY-DR Commuter]

i'm good with mongers, personally. i read monger forums too. the vast majority of visitors who come here just for sex keep low profile, enjoy the beach, have few drinks; they live like a regular expat. nothing in your face, nothing dramatic.

Perhaps you are referring to Puerto Plata. Unfortunately this isn't the situation in Sos?a. Those days have passed Sos?a by quite a while ago. Since you read the forums also, I'm surprised you haven't noticed.

 

[dv8]

i disagree. for every loud obnoxious snatch hunting asswart there are ten quiet guys who come here as much for relaxation and chilling as they do for crotch muffins.

 

[Seamonkey]

Where would the 80,000 or so Dominicans go that live in Sosua go to make it a ghost town?

Instead of your doom and gloom scenario, a far more likely scenario is that Sosua would be just another Dominican town.

This thread is more or less about el batey, which has a population of about 8000. Nobody so far has mentioned bars in charamicos, sosua abajo, maranatha, la union and others being a concern. Also, the population of Sosua is near 50,000 as per wikipidia.

 

[Seamonkey]

Some vendors would move on. Others will still be there because whore mongers only make up a small percentage of the people that are actually in Sosua on a couple of streets at any point in time.

Whore mongers=putas=motoconchos=street vendors=restaurants and bars being busy which means more money in the economy. It is no secret that minus the whore mongers this town will be dead. Period. The families and the local expats spend very little money compared to the weekend warriors. Unless you have a business in Sosua (which you don't) you don't fully understand or see it. Sosua needs both groups to stay alive. A cleaner more vibrant Sosua with whores on the side.