I agree with you. People from all over the world migrate to other countries in search of better opportunities. Dominicans are everywhere. I see no problems with the venezuelans if they have the proper permits to work. Their country is now in a bad state so those who can have to go elsewhere.
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Venezuelan Immigration to the DR
I agree with you. People from all over the world migrate to other countries in search of better opportunities. Dominicans are everywhere. I see no problems with the venezuelans if they have the proper permits to work. Their country is now in a bad state so those who can have to go elsewhere.
Life is weird, thats why you can not go walking over others, in the 80's Dominicans went to work legal and ilegal to Venezuela, now they are the ones coming here. I know venezuelans living here descendants of those Dominicans, but they have their problem solved because there are legal tools and very easy to obtain Dominican citizenship in few months.
The DR has a historical moral obligation to Venezuelans.
In colonial times, especially during the multiple and bloody Haitian invasions, it was Venezuela one of the predilect destinations of the Dominicans that simply had enough of the abuses. At one point 2/3rds of the Dominican population packed up and left the island, a large percentage of them headed to Caracas and Maracaibo. Even the Duarte family, and Juan Pablo Duarte himself, died in Venezuela and many descendants of the Duarte family live in Venezuela or are Venezuelans.
During the Trujillo dictatorship, Venezuela again welcomed those Dominicans that left due to having discords with dictator Trujillo.
During the Dominican economic crisis of the 1980's, that in 1984 exploded into a full force riot in Santo Domingo, Venezuela was again the land of milk and honey for thousands of Dominicans.
Many of the Dominican emigrants in colonial times and in modern times returned to the DR. Venezuela simply made it possible for them to conserve their lives and/or their family honor / human dignity before returning back home once conditions permitted them. Many Venezuelans that currently live in the DR and have no recent ties to the country, probably have a long forgotten tie to the DR, given the thousands of Dominicans that left for the Venezuelan shores during the past 200 years; especially those that are from Caracas or Maracaibo.
The DR owes big time to the Venezuelan people. I personally don't think the DR as a society can ever fully repay Venezuela for that, but gratitude needs to be shown. Never know if in the future the tables are turned once again.
In colonial times, especially during the multiple and bloody Haitian invasions, it was Venezuela one of the predilect destinations of the Dominicans that simply had enough of the abuses. At one point 2/3rds of the Dominican population packed up and left the island, a large percentage of them headed to Caracas and Maracaibo. Even the Duarte family, and Juan Pablo Duarte himself, died in Venezuela and many descendants of the Duarte family live in Venezuela or are Venezuelans.
During the Trujillo dictatorship, Venezuela again welcomed those Dominicans that left due to having discords with dictator Trujillo.
During the Dominican economic crisis of the 1980's, that in 1984 exploded into a full force riot in Santo Domingo, Venezuela was again the land of milk and honey for thousands of Dominicans.
Many of the Dominican emigrants in colonial times and in modern times returned to the DR. Venezuela simply made it possible for them to conserve their lives and/or their family honor / human dignity before returning back home once conditions permitted them. Many Venezuelans that currently live in the DR and have no recent ties to the country, probably have a long forgotten tie to the DR, given the thousands of Dominicans that left for the Venezuelan shores during the past 200 years; especially those that are from Caracas or Maracaibo.
The DR owes big time to the Venezuelan people. I personally don't think the DR as a society can ever fully repay Venezuela for that, but gratitude needs to be shown. Never know if in the future the tables are turned once again.
Lucifer, so naughty. Good catch though! I will actually check that to see how the usage varies.
-MP.
and today, the dark side of venezuelan immigration:
https://www.diariolibre.com/noticia...-ser-victima-de-trata-en-dominicana-FA9233052
https://www.diariolibre.com/noticia...-ser-victima-de-trata-en-dominicana-FA9233052
Venezuela’s situation today is so shameful and a disgrace. A nation that was once considered the paradise of South America now has its people running desperately to other lands for survival. However, this is what happens when you elect or put the wrong leader in control. This problem started with Chavez and Maduro is just carrying on the demise of a country that should have been at the top in Latin America.
Although the DR is seeing an influx of Venezuelans because of the political and social crisis the numbers do not compare to what neighbouring countries like Colombia and Panama have seen in the past few years. Panama up to 10 years ago had a population between 2-2.5 million approx. and look at it now because of the Venezuelan crisis.
Needless to say the life of many Venezuelans in DR is not glorious. Prostutuition for survival is no bed of roses. People do desperate acts when in desperate situations and movement of people in search of a better life and opportunity is not limited to Venezuela. What many European countries have to deal with is much more critical than Venezuelans illegally in DR as of now. Unfortunately, there is no remedy in sight unless Maduro is ousted and even so to repair the damage done will take decades. To those who were smart enough not to vote for those dictators run, run,....corran. Que Dios les ampare.
-MP.
According to one of the articles cited by Dv8, roughly 400,000 Venezuelans intend to migrate to the DR. Its only around 2% of all Venezuelans intending to leave Venezuela, but 400,000 is not a drop in the bucket for the DR. That estimate probably was done counting just the adults, when children are added it could very well surpass several hundreds of thousands more.
The current estimate is that around 25,000 Venezuelans live in the DR, mostly illegally. 16 times that amount wishes to be on the eastern two-thirds of Hispaniola. That's enough to create multiple mini-Venezuelan neighborhoods in the major cities, towns, and even in the main tourists zones.
The DR already has the second largest Venezuelan presence in the Central American and Caribbean region, the only country that has more is Panama. Panama has closed its doors to Venezuelans, has made it extremely difficult for them to enter even illegally. I think the DR's Venezuelan presence will surpass Panama's in a few years.
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This trend is nothing new to Dominicans themselves as they have prostituted all over the globe for years due to the same.
Venezuelan shopping at one of the Jumbo's hypermarket in SD. From the very start of the video he says he wished to see a supermarket with so much stuff in Venezuela and that seeing so much food in Jumbo while in Venezuela supermarkets are full of empty shelves makes him extremely sad. He doesn't says it in all those words, but the few words he uses are readily understood.
I think very few people can fully comprehend what Venezuelans are living in Venezuela. People can say whatever they want about poverty in the DR or in most other countries, there is not a single Dominican that would walk into a supermarket in the USA or Canada or Europe and be impressed with the variety of food as if they have never seen a well stocked supermarket in their lives.
[video=youtube;8488emQwd_E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8488emQwd_E[/video]
I think very few people can fully comprehend what Venezuelans are living in Venezuela. People can say whatever they want about poverty in the DR or in most other countries, there is not a single Dominican that would walk into a supermarket in the USA or Canada or Europe and be impressed with the variety of food as if they have never seen a well stocked supermarket in their lives.
[video=youtube;8488emQwd_E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8488emQwd_E[/video]
Seeing and being able to actually afford what's on the store are indeed two different stories.
Yes, the stores in DR might be full but how many Dominicans could actually go in and do any shopping at Blue Mall or Agora?
I agree, the situation in Venezuela is far worst than the DR and the level of poverty are separated by miles but also, separated by social/political events.
In short, Venezuelan are living a dystopian by proxy, politics is the source by which Venezuelans are ostracized from their own country now days.
You say Panama has closed its doors to Venezuela even illegally. I would say they have made strong efforts do so more than ever before. However, if a population is desperate enough they will find a means to reach. I have been to Panama City three times in the past year and the population increase and number of Venezuelans is very visible. In terms of legal migration, let's not forget Doral in Miami which is little Venezuela in full flow.
At the end of the day the situation is a slippery slope and only time will tell what the numbers will look like in the DR. In terms of Maduro, the world is watching. He has to go.
-MP.
This thread has me curious. My mother-in-law was born in 1920. When she was helping me create her family tree, she told me her godfather at baptism was named Pichardo (I have first name written down somewhere), and he was the procuderia general of DR. She said he was Venezuelan, which at the time struck me as odd.....a foreigner holding a position like that. Now I’m wondering if he was of Dominican extraction, just born in Venezuela.
Until NALS’ posts, I never realized the history between the two countries
Until NALS’ posts, I never realized the history between the two countries
Its a mean of subsistence for sure and if not for it, what do they do it for, fashion?
This is very sad, people from Venezuela shouldn't be going through this situation, hope there will be a military intervention that can help to free this country from the hands of this crazy dictator.
Venezuelan are our family, Dominicans should be treating them with integrity.
I remember back in the 80s Dominican migration to Venezuela was about the same now it's to the US or Spain.
JJ
Venezuelan are our family, Dominicans should be treating them with integrity.
I remember back in the 80s Dominican migration to Venezuela was about the same now it's to the US or Spain.
JJ
For the material gains, and it's easier than cleaning floors for a living for 6-8000 pesos per month.