prostitution affects tourism in sosua

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cavok

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It's worth mentioning that the sex / topless bars in Santo Domingo which the police shut several years ago, like Doll's House, have remained shut. I think I'm also right in saying that the sex clubs in Punta Cana Bavaro have also remained shut.

My two cents on this is that Dominicans aren't against the concept of prostitution - it's very much accepted in Dominican society that money plays a big part in relationships, a pretty girl generally goes with a rich guy etc. But like everything else, Dominicans generally like to claim to be honourable, upstanding, honest, worthy people and all corruption scandal or sleaze has to be behind closed doors. So places like Boca Chica and Sosua are hated, but at the same time it's fine for people to hook up for money online.

As far as I know, there are no places like that in Sosua. Passions and Pica Flor, for example, were not that type of operation.
 

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To claim that these girls in Pica Flor,Blue Ice or City Lights were "trafficked" in any way is a complete joke. I have been in all of these places and know girls that worked in them,a few of the girls in Pica Flor were some of the highest wage earners in the damned town.I know one girl that showed me her bank deposits and she was making 40-50K DOP a month
 

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If you read the article that DV8 quoted, the thing that the authorities are bothered about is "proxenetismo", basically the middle-men who are pimping out the girls. There is a suggestion that this was aggravated, in other words the girls were being trafficked and forced into sex work. The sex workers haven't been arrested, they were taken to centers where they can be given help and support. Dom Rep is following the model followed in most other countries - prostitution is legal, but being a pimp is not, and forcing a girl into sex work is also not.

This is definitely not unique to Sosua. Two weeks ago it was reported on DR1 that the police closed a bar called Pink Pony in Bella Vista in the capital for exactly the same reason, trafficking and forcing girls into sex work. Surely the most ardent lovers of Sosua can't feel that trafficking girls from Haiti and forcing them into sex work is right can they?

I meant to reply to this post:

As far as I know, there are no places like that in Sosua. Passions and Pica Flor, for example, were not that type of operation. Most of the girls in Sosua are freelance workers.
 

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I think the idea of middle-man is a good point, I think all around the world all governments and organizations are banging on about the same thing really. Of course being forced and trafficked is the extreme scenario of that, but as I agree they are not many in Sosua (or DR) that fit this description, still making money from others selling sex is illegal and they like to deal with that...

This is not just in DR but everywhere in the world, it is that the prostitution is legal but making money from it by a 3-rd party isn't. There is a fine balance in where you draw the line. If you have a disco that girls and guys go to and pick up and you benefit form by selling drinks and charge entrance, are you profiting... !? What if you give girls free entrance and free drinks, Or even charge bar-fine and exit fee for the girls etc..... !? Or rent rooms and so on...!

This problem is not solved and no one has the answer, with advent of internet the landscape is changing a bit, but some guys just like the idea of going to places and party, sort of, and not just walk the streets or surf the net. Hence the 3rd-party involvement, even many girls like the security and safety of what the 3rd-party provide as a service. Even in UK they haven't figured this...

Many countries find the balance and settle for that, but DR is struggling with this, they are trying to find this balance, note that closing down bars and clubs also means girls and guys will be more on the streets, which is another unwanted consequence.

Anyway, I hope they can get their act together and settle on what they want and then let people get on with their lives and do what their like as long as not harming or disturbing others.... AND Sosua can flourish and grow rather than the status quo.

(To be honest I have no opinion or solution myself either way, I sure hate the idea of direct profiteering from girls, then again providing some sort of service and getting paid for it is not such a bad thing. I just hate it when they do rash things, have a go sometime and leave it again for a while, also close one place and not other, meaning corruption, and nobody knows where they stand and can't invest or decide what to do and how to go forward.)
 

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from DL today:
https://www.diariolibre.com/economia/turismo/prostitucion-afecta-el-turismo-en-sosua-PH10354649

Representatives of different sectors of this municipality expressed concern about the rise of prostitution in this area, a practice that, they say, has alienated hundreds of tourists looking for a place to enjoy with their families.

According to the complaint, this activity is carried out in broad daylight without the intervention of the competent authorities. "Unfortunately, Sosúa is losing hundreds of visitors due to this situation," said Julio González, a regular visitor to the beaches of this area.

Other people consulted by Diario Libre reporters pointed out that, together with prostitution, "other dark businesses" are developing here, which has taken away the tranquility of the tourism sector.

"Any problem that is addressed in time has a solution," said a community leader who asked to speak on condition of anonymity.

Julio Almonte, Vice Minister of Tourism for the North Coast, said that the institution and the government security agencies are working on the purification of the "ladies of cheerful life" who come to Sosúa to practice the trade, with the aim of reducing it to its minimum.

The authorities estimate that 90% of sex workers are Haitian.

Almonte said they are working on the organization and regulation of the bars that are located in the commercial area here, especially in Pedro Clisante street, where most of the sex workers are concentrated.

The public servant stated that it is a priority of the Ministry of Tourism to organize this tourist area.

"We are trying to regularize, based on the law, this tourist destination," he said.

This has been going on for 30 years. The more things change the more they stay the same.
 

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have a go sometime and leave it again for a while, also close one place and not other, meaning corruption, and nobody knows where they stand and can't invest or decide what to do and how to go forward.)

Yes, the are consistently inconsistent. And yes, it seems like they don't really have a plan. But I have always said, in the end they will get what they want. The mood of the dom people (the majority of them) is that they want the "in your face" prostitution gone from the North Coast. And the President on down to the mayors, are 100% behind them.

I would say don't invest in anything that is related to the hooker business. That much is pretty clear.
 

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I meant to reply to this post:

As far as I know, there are no places like that in Sosua. Passions and Pica Flor, for example, were not that type of operation. Most of the girls in Sosua are freelance workers.

The only legal way for a girl to work the oldest profession is freelance. If there is a pimp, or any type of promotion by a third party, that is illegal.
 
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Dominican do go to Sosua beach, bring their own food and drink, and avoid the city like the plague.

Exactly my point, Dominicans do go to Sosua, although they may not linger in town, but they go. However, you can see Dominicans staying in Casa Marina on the weekends and A LOT of the tourists you see in town during Semana Santa are Dominicans, just walk through the Big Playero on the Saturday of Semana Santa, where the checkout lines are 10 people deep all day with each cashier open, I typically mostly ever saw Dominicans. I avoid the Playero like the plague during that weekend (far too busy), and make a point of hitting the ATM's the Wednesday and Thursday before, because through that weekend they are typically cleaned out.
 
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My point was, I did not live in Sosua to meet women...I love the town itself. I have not pick a girl up in Sosua in almost a decade...

So, you didn't pick them up because you weren't living in Sosua at the time and not because the opportunity didn't present itself?
 

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Exactly my point, Dominicans do go to Sosua, although they may not linger in town, but they go. However, you can see Dominicans staying in Casa Marina on the weekends and A LOT of the tourists you see in town during Semana Santa are Dominicans, just walk through the Big Playero on the Saturday of Semana Santa, where the checkout lines are 10 people deep all day with each cashier open, I typically mostly ever saw Dominicans. I avoid the Playero like the plague during that weekend (far too busy), and make a point of hitting the ATM's the Wednesday and Thursday before, because through that weekend they are typically cleaned out.

A lot more Dominicans would visit Sosua and walk the town all year long, not just visit the beach on occasion, including wealthy Dominicans, it if didn't have the reputation it does. That is my point.
 

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A lot more Dominicans would visit Sosua and walk the town all year long, not just visit the beach on occasion, including wealthy Dominicans, it if didn't have the reputation it does. That is my point.

that is true. similarly, very few upscale Dominicans go to casetas on the malecon, because they do not want to be seen there by their friends, who might think they are trying to pick up expats.
 

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This has been going on for 30 years. The more things change the more they stay the same.

One can see that The Internet and Smart Phones have indeed changed things from what I have been reading. The worlds oldest profession will always exist, and that will remain the same in a manner of speaking despite the occasional termination of operations at hooker hang outs.
 

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that is true. similarly, very few upscale Dominicans go to casetas on the malecon, because they do not want to be seen there by their friends, who might think they are trying to pick up expats.

Now that is one I have not heard before!
 

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Now that is one I have not heard before!

really? you never heard that?

that is common knowledge in POP. there is one caseta where Dominicans will patronize...it is the first one in Long Beach, called Marola's. they sell platos del dia, and sancocho, and play local music. it is a local joint, by nature. the others, which attract the expat crowds, do not get the Dominicans who are upwardly mobile. the bank people, and the insurance types, do not do the malecon thing..
 
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