You kno im going to do you guys a favor and im going to leave....just so you dont say that im ruining the chat..by the way MR. Rick Snyder srry for any offenses your just doing your job and i respect that...but obviously people want to judge me without knowing me..and all my data is true..but whatever. Anyways keep having a good chat..acording to you people i dont know anything..its ok....just that when you finally get what i mean your going to understand why i posted these comments...take care
- Thread starter bilijou
- Start date
Cuban Threat?
^What can this country possibly make withe mindstate of the dominican people?
At best we are a nation that creates some okay plastic surgeons & dentists..
Dominican culture and education don't really go together.You can put ac's,nice bathrooms,computers with t1 lines as well as accomadating all the students that are left out..
The DR STILL won't be able to compete with even Jamaica because our culture just isn't built for that.
That software dream LF and some of you have is never gonna be materialized no matter what.
Never forget how close to america our country is and how party-driven our culture is.
We're never gonna produce SUV's or laptop compenents,stop dreaming.
Tourism is the only chance we have.
DR and other carribean countries could provide Services like they do in India.
^Lmao...do you really think that is even feasible with a country that tells it's kids to enter politics rather than study?
Did you know that India even has some IRS contracts processing American tax returns.?
India has brains...we do,but don't like using them and won't really ever will.India has literally HUNDREDS of Millions of proffesionals and college graduates especially tech-related whizes.
You don't need to be a math wizard to do that.
Oh yes you do..
If they can teach people in India how to speak english
^People in India DO SPEAK ENGLISH.
and give them a full ride in the States in America's colleges they can make that same investment on the islands south of the US.
It can be done in places Like the DR. Its a long term investment but it can be done.
It can be done in places LIKE the DR but it won't be done in the DR because the DR has a culture of people who don't like hitting the books.
Even our educated people seem to be mighty underexposed to the world when they go overseas.Look at the countless dateline and 20-20 expose's about the Dominican legal system and medics.I'm suprised we haven't had a UN ban on exporting our students and proffesionals.
I would rather speak to a Jamaican or Dominican who speaks english for customer support than someone in India. At least they use their real name.
Not some Indian person telling me their name is Josh when I call Dell Computer support.
^I would rather speak to an american or a canadian,not a thirdworlder,as would all americans.
Visions are limited when it comes to investors investing in countries like DR and soon CUBA and english speaking islands. They can do more than just tourism and bump that average annual salary from a measily $2400 a year to something as you put it, "realistic
^The annual salary is probably already far above that.If the goverment raised wages then things would be different.
Like I said let's get real.
The DR is never gonna be a producer of comps and rocket parts simply because we don't have the brains for it.LF is wasting his time on that.I mean this is a country that can barely keep it's FTZ zones or even keep any Foreign Banks interested in it because of corruption and lack of disciplined workers(as in people that come in to work every day & that won't steal).
The main thing is and should be tourism,that's what god gave us and what suits us the most.I think it has risen us out of poverty but we do better than most CA and other nations in the hemisphere because of the Tourism dollars.We have not even begun to see all the money we can get and yes wages need to be raised across the board...
^Lmao...do you really think that is even feasible with a country that tells it's kids to enter politics rather than study?
Did you know that India even has some IRS contracts processing American tax returns.?
India has brains...we do,but don't like using them and won't really ever will.India has literally HUNDREDS of Millions of proffesionals and college graduates especially tech-related whizes.
You don't need to be a math wizard to do that.
Oh yes you do..
If they can teach people in India how to speak english
^People in India DO SPEAK ENGLISH.
and give them a full ride in the States in America's colleges they can make that same investment on the islands south of the US.
It can be done in places Like the DR. Its a long term investment but it can be done.
It can be done in places LIKE the DR but it won't be done in the DR because the DR has a culture of people who don't like hitting the books.
Even our educated people seem to be mighty underexposed to the world when they go overseas.Look at the countless dateline and 20-20 expose's about the Dominican legal system and medics.I'm suprised we haven't had a UN ban on exporting our students and proffesionals.
I would rather speak to a Jamaican or Dominican who speaks english for customer support than someone in India. At least they use their real name.
Not some Indian person telling me their name is Josh when I call Dell Computer support.
^I would rather speak to an american or a canadian,not a thirdworlder,as would all americans.
Visions are limited when it comes to investors investing in countries like DR and soon CUBA and english speaking islands. They can do more than just tourism and bump that average annual salary from a measily $2400 a year to something as you put it, "realistic
^The annual salary is probably already far above that.If the goverment raised wages then things would be different.
Like I said let's get real.
The DR is never gonna be a producer of comps and rocket parts simply because we don't have the brains for it.LF is wasting his time on that.I mean this is a country that can barely keep it's FTZ zones or even keep any Foreign Banks interested in it because of corruption and lack of disciplined workers(as in people that come in to work every day & that won't steal).
The main thing is and should be tourism,that's what god gave us and what suits us the most.I think it has risen us out of poverty but we do better than most CA and other nations in the hemisphere because of the Tourism dollars.We have not even begun to see all the money we can get and yes wages need to be raised across the board...
Dear Mr. Snyder:
This is to inform you that our office is again in receipt of several complaints submitted by members in good standing of this organization.
These complaints allege impatience, intolerance and generalized disrespect evidenced in your responses to said members' intellectual emmisions, spread over several geo-social/political constructs.
Keep in mind, please, that our organization and its mission are embraced by literally dozens and dozens of Mabi drinkers, throughout the hemisphere.
Regards,
drbill
subsecretario pro-forma de asuntos callejeros,
Asociacion Pro Educacion Nacional De Jovenes
This is to inform you that our office is again in receipt of several complaints submitted by members in good standing of this organization.
These complaints allege impatience, intolerance and generalized disrespect evidenced in your responses to said members' intellectual emmisions, spread over several geo-social/political constructs.
Keep in mind, please, that our organization and its mission are embraced by literally dozens and dozens of Mabi drinkers, throughout the hemisphere.
Regards,
drbill
subsecretario pro-forma de asuntos callejeros,
Asociacion Pro Educacion Nacional De Jovenes
Rick: You should?ve used ?the force? three pages ago. hehe
sancocho: Diversification isn?t always good, specially with DR?s limited human resources. Specialization, and once again Value Added, are the keys. The government knows this, that?s why they are focused on creating clusters (like technological parks). NY has the Financial, Silicon Valley with technology, Cars in Japan and in DR, the Tourism in the Punta Cana region. Clusters increase productivity for many reasons. One of them is exchange of knowledge. At the moment attracting investments from certain industries seems like a good plan. With the idea that there would be a knowledge transfer, and Dominicans get more educated, they will at one point join the clusters with their own companies. Hopefully one day, we will specialize in our own unique trade. The point is that the more educated Dominicans there are in the country, the more likely Dominicans will take a hold of the industries. Then, we will own our businesses while competing with foreigners in our own land; this is why we need to improve education desperately.
sancocho: Diversification isn?t always good, specially with DR?s limited human resources. Specialization, and once again Value Added, are the keys. The government knows this, that?s why they are focused on creating clusters (like technological parks). NY has the Financial, Silicon Valley with technology, Cars in Japan and in DR, the Tourism in the Punta Cana region. Clusters increase productivity for many reasons. One of them is exchange of knowledge. At the moment attracting investments from certain industries seems like a good plan. With the idea that there would be a knowledge transfer, and Dominicans get more educated, they will at one point join the clusters with their own companies. Hopefully one day, we will specialize in our own unique trade. The point is that the more educated Dominicans there are in the country, the more likely Dominicans will take a hold of the industries. Then, we will own our businesses while competing with foreigners in our own land; this is why we need to improve education desperately.
Last edited:
Señor, perdoname yo no queria hascer problemas para ústedes y pido su perdón humilde. No me lance por favor en el medio del briar patch.
I'm sorry Bilijou, won't happen again.
ANY POSTS MADE THAT DON"T ADDRESS THE SUBJECT OF THE OP WILL BE GOOOOOOOONE!
ANY POSTS MADE THAT DON"T ADDRESS THE SUBJECT OF THE OP WILL BE GOOOOOOOONE!
I don't believe tourism is the only way for the country to grow wealthy, however it sure offers one more option from the traditional agricultural means.
Most of the wealth generated in Dominican tourism flows out of the country, primarily to Spain, as profits from the all-inclusive resorts. Only local resort brands enrich the country.
In terms of income distribution, that's a different story. What's better, a democratic Nigeria where the wealth of oil is hardly seen by the population or a kingdom like United Arabs Emirates where the wealth of oil and trade is readily visible not only among the political and economic class, but in the lifestyle of most people.
And to be fair, most of the wealth of the United States is controlled by the tiny top of the "pyramid" as well. The US being the model capitalist nation on earth being in such a way, what could be expected of other nations trying to emulate the west?
-NALs
Nals-
Of course tourism is not the only way out of poverty for the DR and that was the point of my post with respect to Don Polo's theory (see his post above mine).
Honestly, I am of the same opinion as Juan Carlos. Let's just wait and see. In all reality no one really knows what will happen in Cuba when there is a permanent change of power.
-LDG.
Of course tourism is not the only way out of poverty for the DR and that was the point of my post with respect to Don Polo's theory (see his post above mine).
Honestly, I am of the same opinion as Juan Carlos. Let's just wait and see. In all reality no one really knows what will happen in Cuba when there is a permanent change of power.
-LDG.
elchino;
Don't start that crap of sarcasm again. We're speaking to the problem of the DR's competition with Cuba in the TOURISM MARKET, Not the verbage you wish to use.
If , for once, you could keep things on track you would be a lot better received.
You really do fit the image you prescribe for the "classified DR1's Gold members" to a "T".
Read you own posts for verification of that accusation.
Just keep it "clean and to the point" and you'll get along a lot better.
Texas Bill
Compare Cuba to the DR
So, I confess that I don't know a lot about Cuba, but I'm wondering how it would compare to the DR on other fronts.
I understand that Cuba exceeds the DR in education, but what about other areas that investors would consider...such as electricity? Does Cuba have the same problems with electricity that DR has?
Is Cuba's population computer literate? How does that compare?
Other infrastructure?
Thanks
N.
So, I confess that I don't know a lot about Cuba, but I'm wondering how it would compare to the DR on other fronts.
I understand that Cuba exceeds the DR in education, but what about other areas that investors would consider...such as electricity? Does Cuba have the same problems with electricity that DR has?
Is Cuba's population computer literate? How does that compare?
Other infrastructure?
Thanks
N.
I have spent some time in Havana. The population is not computer literate at all. There are no street lights in most areas at night due to the lack of electricity.
The best Cuban Cigars (cohiba, montecristo, trinidad etc) are very expensive. They are also limited to how many are made due to a lack of "perfect" wrapper leaves. If they are available for sale in the USA, the price would go up so much there would be plenty of room for DR cigars to fill the middle and lower areas. (And Cohibas are still the best
)
I believe Cuba will remain communist but will slowly transform into a "chinese" style communism. I can tell you that Fidel Castro is not the only Communist in Cuba.
Where tourism is concerned, I dont think Cuba will hurt the DR that much. There are already a couple million people a year going to Cuba for Vacation each year. The number will grow but the novelty will wear off. Havana is a long ways away from the Batista Days. The country will need a decade just to be modern, that will give DR plenty of time to adapt.
The best Cuban Cigars (cohiba, montecristo, trinidad etc) are very expensive. They are also limited to how many are made due to a lack of "perfect" wrapper leaves. If they are available for sale in the USA, the price would go up so much there would be plenty of room for DR cigars to fill the middle and lower areas. (And Cohibas are still the best
)I believe Cuba will remain communist but will slowly transform into a "chinese" style communism. I can tell you that Fidel Castro is not the only Communist in Cuba.
Where tourism is concerned, I dont think Cuba will hurt the DR that much. There are already a couple million people a year going to Cuba for Vacation each year. The number will grow but the novelty will wear off. Havana is a long ways away from the Batista Days. The country will need a decade just to be modern, that will give DR plenty of time to adapt.
The D.R. fabricates Cohibas, and others, for Fidel to export because communism -- surprise anyone? -- can't meet production. Why work when there's lots of committee meetings to attend and sñra. commissar wants a "favor"?
A little of what happened to the DR after Trujillo will happen in Cuba, and like in the DR, it will take a tumultuous 30 years or more. The Mafia casinos will come back without Superman (he's dead), and the whores will make more money because they won't have to pay income taxes. The only workers that pay income taxes today are whores who get thrown into prison if they don't, or if they have more than two dates with the same john. How's that for a revolution fought because 'our girls were slaves to the foreigners'. Better they work for the state, right? To finance those Mazerattis the elites have on their private tracks. They've got a population of pollos that just wait for the Ranchero Grande's machete to fall. If, in the dustup after Fidel, they find those Mazerattis, they just might build guillotines.
Cuba after Fidel will emulate East Germany because of the lost infrastructure. It took 50 years to disappear, but it will take at least 40 just to begin to hum again. And that's a country the UN said had the 3rd largest percentage of middle class in the world (152 nations then). And it was in Latin America, folks!!! Ché, the rich Argentine who left school saying, "I'm gonna find a revolution!", sure found the right place for a revolution, what? Ché became Economics Minister (guffaw: him and Goofy, right?) in 1961. By 1963 Cuba fell to the bottom of the list.
INFRASTRUCTURE:
No, Pinar del Rio expressway is in perfect shape after 47 years since it's never been used in that time.
Yes, distribution hasn't been working in 40 years because (capitalist swine!) vendor's carretas are not allowed.
Yes, education. Quiz nurses, teachers or ac****ants where the D.R. is ... (hint: it's on the island next door) ...
Oh, no! That's Haiti! ... (hint: the other 2/3 of the island Hispaniola) ... Oh, no! That was Columbus and.....
Education has been strictly politically correct for pretend communist LA dictatorships: you don't teach anyone where their next best hope lies.
But worst infrastructure that's been lost? Human Infrastructure. Attitude and ambition. No one understands work, no one will follow a superior's instructions without sabotage, no one will EXPECT anything! The only HOPE is the Arab Caliphate kind: sit and wait for alms to roll down after pushing baksheesh up (cit. post USSR). The Western kind of HOPE, get off your butt and make something good happen, will not congeal in this ruined population until two generations have been born, lived and died (cit. discussion some years back with Don Andrés Brugal).
That's what they've done to themselves. And the world won't rush to set a new table for people who already have defecated on their plates. The Mafia will move from here to there, so the overall good is for the DR.
There should be a lesson here for the wannabe Chavistas. But I doubt it.
A little of what happened to the DR after Trujillo will happen in Cuba, and like in the DR, it will take a tumultuous 30 years or more. The Mafia casinos will come back without Superman (he's dead), and the whores will make more money because they won't have to pay income taxes. The only workers that pay income taxes today are whores who get thrown into prison if they don't, or if they have more than two dates with the same john. How's that for a revolution fought because 'our girls were slaves to the foreigners'. Better they work for the state, right? To finance those Mazerattis the elites have on their private tracks. They've got a population of pollos that just wait for the Ranchero Grande's machete to fall. If, in the dustup after Fidel, they find those Mazerattis, they just might build guillotines.
Cuba after Fidel will emulate East Germany because of the lost infrastructure. It took 50 years to disappear, but it will take at least 40 just to begin to hum again. And that's a country the UN said had the 3rd largest percentage of middle class in the world (152 nations then). And it was in Latin America, folks!!! Ché, the rich Argentine who left school saying, "I'm gonna find a revolution!", sure found the right place for a revolution, what? Ché became Economics Minister (guffaw: him and Goofy, right?) in 1961. By 1963 Cuba fell to the bottom of the list.
INFRASTRUCTURE:
No, Pinar del Rio expressway is in perfect shape after 47 years since it's never been used in that time.
Yes, distribution hasn't been working in 40 years because (capitalist swine!) vendor's carretas are not allowed.
Yes, education. Quiz nurses, teachers or ac****ants where the D.R. is ... (hint: it's on the island next door) ...
Oh, no! That's Haiti! ... (hint: the other 2/3 of the island Hispaniola) ... Oh, no! That was Columbus and.....
Education has been strictly politically correct for pretend communist LA dictatorships: you don't teach anyone where their next best hope lies.
But worst infrastructure that's been lost? Human Infrastructure. Attitude and ambition. No one understands work, no one will follow a superior's instructions without sabotage, no one will EXPECT anything! The only HOPE is the Arab Caliphate kind: sit and wait for alms to roll down after pushing baksheesh up (cit. post USSR). The Western kind of HOPE, get off your butt and make something good happen, will not congeal in this ruined population until two generations have been born, lived and died (cit. discussion some years back with Don Andrés Brugal).
That's what they've done to themselves. And the world won't rush to set a new table for people who already have defecated on their plates. The Mafia will move from here to there, so the overall good is for the DR.
There should be a lesson here for the wannabe Chavistas. But I doubt it.
si
excellent observation having visited a few times. sad situation. DR need not worry re cuban competition.
excellent observation having visited a few times. sad situation. DR need not worry re cuban competition.