Coronavirus - In the DR

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CDNBear

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That is certainly a factor but as long as the DR has old people and lots of covid, it shouldn't make nearly that much of a difference.
How one persons immune defense reacts to the COVID-19 virus is very complicated and yet not fully understood.
Clearly something beyond us «experts» in this forum can explain.

Lots of factors, genetics seems to be one. Numerous others are on the radar. (previous dengue infections, sun/D-vitamin, etc. etc.). Will take a lot of future research to be conclusive.

For me, the important numbers I look for are number of deaths (above a «normal» year) and the capacity of hospitals for the really sick ones, beds occupied. Not remotely possible to make sense of other numbers when the amount of testing is at the low level as DR does.

DR is doing OK at the moment regarding the virus as far as I can see.
 

CristoRey

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It is good to check the graphs in other countries to compare how the pandemic is affecting countries differently. Spain shows the second wave as lockdown was lifted perfectly.
Lock downs are a bad joke
and we are the punch line.
STI Sept 17 from MIA. 200+
people coming in with me on
the plane. Not a single one of
them tested. Most came in with
me from the connecting NYC flight.
Sosua all day Sunday and yesterday
of this week. Mask? On the beach?
Not happening. CESTUR and PN
up and down the beach all day didn't say sh*t.
They know what time it is and they know
better than to bite the hands that
feed them. The only thing this lock
down has accomplished is creating
more poverty and misery amongst
the Dominican population. Curfew in
Sosua on Sunday was a blast. I prefer it over the
draconian Santiago model and will be
back up there this weekend for sure.
 

JD Jones

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Since my friends here on the forum are on both sides of the fence, I thought some here might find this amusing although it technically doesn't include the DR:


Wear your mask!
I swear, it's magical!
“Let's go out to eat, 2020 style...
1. Arrive at restaurant, fish three month old single-use surgical mask out of car's filthy cupholder (still slightly sticky from this morning's 84oz diet Pepsi).
2. Strap up with three month old single-use surgical mask.
*MAGICAL ANTI-GERM BARRIER ENGAGE!!!*
3. Proceed into restaurant, opening door with same handle grabbed by 200 people so far today.
4. Hostess has immediate seating for your woke party of three. Walk past entire restaurant of unmasked people. It's ok, they're sitting.
5. Sit down.
*SEATED ANTI-GERM FORCEFIELD ENGAGE!!!*
6. Safely within your anti-germ forcefield, remove the mask. Browse menu while making relaxed inhales of the same recirculated AC air previously inside the lungs of the 200 people that also grabbed the door handle.
7. Waitress drops off drinks barehanded.
8. Grab drink with your bare hand. Sip leisurely, secure in knowing you're within your anti-germ forcefield of seatedness.
9. Too many drinks. Need to pee. Don the magical anti-germ barrier mask as you leave your anti-germ forcefield of seatedness.
10. Walk past 40 unmasked restaurant patrons. Open bathroom with same door knob grabbed by 100 other people so far today.
11. Return to table past same 40 unmasked restaurant patrons.
12. Remove mask. Once again safe in your anti-germ forcefield of seatedness. Waitress takes your sweaty drink glass with her bare hand, refills, hands back to you. You accept with your bare hand. Grab some bread and eat it. Same hand. Yum Yum.
13. Meal complete. Mask on. Walk past 40 unmasked patrons. Make full body contact with at least 4 people waiting at the hostess stand as you squeeze your way back to the door - no matter, they're all also wearing their magical anti-germ barriers.
14. Grab exit handle, which you are now the 220th person of the day to touch. Eating out successful.
15. Breathe a sigh of relief knowing that even after leaving the protection of your home and venturing out into the scary world of the public, you are essentially sterile thanks to your state approved methods of magical germ mitigation.”


Note: No mention of using hand sanitizer and reinforces my conviction to not eat out.
 

scot_tosh

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This is what happened in Europe the second wave started with young and now the old are getting admitted to hospital. Is the second wave on the way for RD already ?

 

scot_tosh

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How one persons immune defense reacts to the COVID-19 virus is very complicated and yet not fully understood.
Clearly something beyond us «experts» in this forum can explain.

Lots of factors, genetics seems to be one. Numerous others are on the radar. (previous dengue infections, sun/D-vitamin, etc. etc.). Will take a lot of future research to be conclusive.

For me, the important numbers I look for are number of deaths (above a «normal» year) and the capacity of hospitals for the really sick ones, beds occupied. Not remotely possible to make sense of other numbers when the amount of testing is at the low level as DR does.

DR is doing OK at the moment regarding the virus as far as I can see.


I have been searching for the excess death numbers in the RD but unable to find this info. Do you have the figures ?
 

scot_tosh

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Lock downs are a bad joke
and we are the punch line.
STI Sept 17 from MIA. 200+
people coming in with me on
the plane. Not a single one of
them tested. Most came in with
me from the connecting NYC flight.
Sosua all day Sunday and yesterday
of this week. Mask? On the beach?
Not happening. CESTUR and PN
up and down the beach all day didn't say sh*t.
They know what time it is and they know
better than to bite the hands that
feed them. The only thing this lock
down has accomplished is creating
more poverty and misery amongst
the Dominican population. Curfew in
Sosua on Sunday was a blast. I prefer it over the
draconian Santiago model and will be
back up there this weekend for sure.

I know you were not in the country during the curfew, but this was not what would be considered a lockdown, there was no lockdown in the RD as far as I'm aware
 

scot_tosh

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Lock downs are a bad joke
and we are the punch line.
STI Sept 17 from MIA. 200+
people coming in with me on
the plane. Not a single one of
them tested. Most came in with
me from the connecting NYC flight.
Sosua all day Sunday and yesterday
of this week. Mask? On the beach?
Not happening. CESTUR and PN
up and down the beach all day didn't say sh*t.
They know what time it is and they know
better than to bite the hands that
feed them. The only thing this lock
down has accomplished is creating
more poverty and misery amongst
the Dominican population. Curfew in
Sosua on Sunday was a blast. I prefer it over the
draconian Santiago model and will be
back up there this weekend for sure.

Lockdowns are essential when the you get exponential growth to stop overwhelming the health systems like what happened in Europe and New York. Not everyone suffered the wealthy have done well from Covid and the supermaket dynasties have done very well with big prophits
 

CristoRey

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I know you were not in the country during the curfew, but this was not what would be considered a lockdown, there was no lockdown in the RD as far as I'm aware
Left July 17th returned Sept 17.
I was definitely in the country
during this nonsense.
 

CristoRey

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Your sounding like you don't know what your talking about. When you get exponential growth you have to lockdown only way of controlling things. I you know a better way tell us.
Lock downs do not work.
They slow it down for a
short time, then once things
get moving again, the virus
does what it normally does.
How many lock downs do you
think are necessary before you
realize wearing a mask, washing
your hands and applying some
commonsense will be just as
effective, if not more while not
destroying millions of people's
livelihoods in the process?
 
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scot_tosh

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Lock downs do not work.
They slow it down for a
short time, then once things
get moving again, the virus
does what it normally does.
How many lock downs do you
think are necessary before you
realize wearing a mask, washing
your hands and applying some
commonsense will be just as
effective, if not more while not
destroying millions of people's
livelihoods in the process?

So lockdowns do give the countries health services a chance to get on top of things, that is what a lockdown is for. Only to stop the healthservice getting overwhelmed. We will have to keep having lockdowns when the growth goes exponential.
 

zoomzx11

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That is certainly a factor but as long as the DR has old people and lots of covid, it shouldn't make nearly that much of a difference.
It is far from simple math.
Percent of the population that is young, percent living in cities, access to good medical care, governments imposition of medical experts recommendations, amount of testing and then if you toss in the accuracy of government released numbers it is very difficult to make accurate comparisons.

China was able to effectively stop the disease at the end of a gun barrel through use of the military on civilian population.
Brutal but it worked if you believe China.

Large numbers of Dominicans live in cities so that alone should raise the number of infections.
Figuring out what is going on can be accomplished through wide spread testing.
When you see where the majority of cases are physically located you can plan for effective use of your resources.
Otherwise its a bit of hit and miss.
Other than counting deaths its tough to make country comparisons.
 

scot_tosh

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Left July 17th returned Sept 17.
I was definitely in the country
during this nonsense.

Did you do a runner to the states when you saw the shit hit the fan in RD the peak was 24th july. The hospitals were filling up quick and you went to where they had better health facilities.
 

slowmo

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If people really believed the numbers, you should be seeing a big spike in tourism from people trying to escape places like Canada.
 

CDNBear

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If people really believed the numbers, you should be seeing a big spike in tourism from people trying to escape places like Canada.
Do you live in DR atm? I do and I believe in the numbers. I do not know anyone near me that have died of covid.
In fact none of my friends or family (a large one) have had covid yet.

Covid in peoples minds are run by fears and not facts...
 

slowmo

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Do you live in DR atm? I do and I believe in the numbers. I do not know anyone near me that have died of covid.
In fact none of my friends or family (a large one) have had covid yet.

Covid in peoples minds are run by fears and not facts...
I am in Canada now but would be in the DR if I believed the numbers. If the numbers spike at home, I would have no problem leaving.
 

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The second wave is a joke. It's flu cases (Canada) being reported as Covid. I don't know anyone who's died of Covid, and nobody I know knows anyone neither. Also I've read somewhere that the gross number of deaths this year vs. the same period a year ago is pretty much the same, no spike in numbers. The only difference is that this year they took from other deaths and booked/reported them as Covid. All a hoax.
 

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Your link says «Calls for only ‘focused protection’ of vulnerable people from COVID so everyone else can build herd immunity»

Herd immunity? So you believe that can be obtained without overloading hospitals and causing unnecessary deaths?
If and when an effective vaccine is distributed world wide and the majority have taken it, herd immunity could be established.

Until then the virus spread should be controlled so hospitals can cope.
DR uses the curfew to slow down the spread, the people of DR are not educated enough to adapt the «life as normal» model imo.

What do you suggest the DR goverment should do.
I've had this conversation on this forum before... I'm vehemently opposed to government mandated forceful lockdown. I do not condone the destruction of a country's economy and the decimation of the middle class to try to save the most vulnerable of society*. One should not be so eager to relinquish those freedom given to us by our creator and defended with blood by our forefathers. As Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

The reality is that this isn't the first time that the world has had to deals with a deadly pandemic but it sure is the first time that the healthy have been force to quarantine. It has always been that the infirm and most vulnerable are the ones required to isolate. What changed and why? The fact that there are things just as deadly or even more so right now that are totally ignored by the powers that be speaks volumes about the CV19 frenzy.

Every year, around 9 million people die of hunger, according to the international relief agency Mercy Corps. That's more than the death toll of AIDS, malaria and tuberculosis combined.
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A total of 1.5 million people died from TB in 2018 (including 251 000 people with HIV). Worldwide, TB is one of the top 10 causes of death and the leading cause from a single infectious agent (above HIV/AIDS

Each year, 1.35 million people are killed on roadways around the world.

Every day, almost 3,700 people are killed globally in road traffic crashes involving cars, buses, motorcycles, bicycles, trucks, or pedestrians. More than half of those killed are pedestrians, motorcyclists, and cyclists.
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And on and on but only CV19 need these extreme measures.

We are hurting the world economy, the middle class, our children, our livelihood and our sanity for what exactly? To save a few co-morbid or older people that are on their way out anyway (I'm just being pragmatic)? Are we sure it will be worth it when all is said and done? With all our sacrifice and effort we still weren't able to save 1,058,104 that have died of CV19 and who knows if these people would have died anyway.

*note: I'm in the most vulnerable group of society.
 
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