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Problems with Vaccines.. past and present.
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Sure!
Just like we trusted and put faith into intelligence vetted evidence at the UN of WMDs in Iraq, hunting and eliminating the terrorists the were behind 9/11 in Afghanistan, no wait! Iraq? Again??? Coup against Chavez without a word of condemnation from the big boys? Coup in Ukraine with support to remove all elected officials and replaced with Bandera known Nazi nationalists? A US armed Georgian assault (even shown by mistake of this by a small Georgian girl interviewed on TV) on an autonomous region? Silence behind a coup in Bolivia against an indigenous leader? The list goes on and on.
But it’s this side that drinks a steady diet of koolaid laced with “truths”?????
On 26 March the Military, Teachers and other Public servants in Luperon got the Sinovac , the folk over 60 also got the Sinovac, as well as Non-resident gringos.
All at no cost.
I also got the Sinovac ... have a hankering for Won Ton Soup though.... at 77 I would be first in line for anything that is offered. Also since I know where the Sinovac was really formulated..Not China!!!
Doesn't it always come down to truth and facts, to have confidence?
Blindly towing the line and supporting your State in face of facts and lies is not an exercise in reality, nor critical thinking.
Fact is that according to J.H.U. Global map,
The US has 30,252,278 Cases and 549,229 Deaths and is #1 with most cases and deaths.
China 101,646 Cases and 4,841 Deaths.
We all witnessed the rapid construction of hospitals, treatment and lock down in China.
As to the facts of lies and misinformation of your State's former administration, history is written.
Of course China being a Communist Dictatorship cleverly mixed with capitalism and long term strategies,
All information is suspect, as would be Russia's.
However your country is hardly a beacon of truth and trustworthiness, history in that respect is also written.
If I would trust anything, it would be research information of US scientists,
Whose information was actively suppressed and ridiculed, by the previous administration.
The facts about US and Brazil corona are readily available.
“China’s ‘vaccine diplomacy’ is not unconditional,”
“Beijing may use its vaccine donations to advance its regional agenda, particularly on sensitive issues such as its claims in the South China Sea.”
But James Laurenceson, the director of the Australia-China Relations Institute at the University of Technology Sydney, said a double standard was often applied: while western nations’ vaccine rollout was portrayed as altruistic, China’s was cast as self-interested.
“I think it’s pretty clear that Australia and the US would not be doing what they are doing unless China had started its vaccine diplomacy. It’s clearly a reaction. If we’re going to call China’s actions vaccine diplomacy, then Australia and the US are engaged in vaccine diplomacy as well.”
Laurenceson said China’s rollout of vaccines to the developing world was further advanced than western nations’ rollout, with the US, in particular, prioritising domestic supply."
We all hope that vaccines arrive for all and that all receive the best vaccines.
So far most of us are still waiting.
We all hope that our governments are not lying and suppressing information.
Yet by experience I do not have this faith, neither of us being the "Good Guys" while labeling the others with deceit and self interest.
Coercion or altruism: is China using its Covid vaccines to wield global power?
Beijing has donated millions of vaccines to developing countries but its largesse often comes with conditions attached
www.theguardian.com
China’s Covid Shot Has Four Wildly Different Efficacy Rates
Days before a global rollout kicks off with the President of Indonesia receiving the Sinovac Biotech Ltd. vaccine on live television, uncertainty swirls over the efficacy of the leading Chinese shot, for which four different protection rate numbers have been released in recent weeks.
www.bloomberg.com
China’s Covid Shot Has Four Wildly Different Efficacy Rates
Days before a global rollout kicks off with the President of Indonesia receiving the Sinovac Biotech Ltd. vaccine on live television, uncertainty swirls over the efficacy of the leading Chinese shot, for which four different protection rate numbers have been released in recent weeks.
www.bloomberg.com
COVID-19 Map - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)
coronavirus.jhu.edu
From Europe: 3,964 People Have Died from Adverse Drug Reactions for COVID-19 “Vaccines” - 162,610 Injuries | The Gateway Pundit | by Joe Hoft
Thousands of Europeans have been injured and have died from taking the COVID-19 (China coronavirus) vaccine since it was first distributed to the public.
www.thegatewaypundit.com
The Vaccine produced by Sinovac is not as harmful as too much rum.... give it a break ''D&G'' people, give it a break.
I applaud the RD Government for proceeding with Sinovac...I can't imagine what would happen to the rise in COVID-19 if the vaccines were not administered.
I had a rash of electronic crashes. First my computer then my phone... My dumb arse sat on my smart phone,,, toast!
I am exceedingly pleased to have a new Computer and phone.... both manufactured in China , even though American Products.
Get a grip!
Face reality, ad stop the fear BS.
Find something else to bitch about, this one is getting worn down.
Oh shoot, I have a hankering for Chicken Chow Mein and won ton soup... gotta go.
Have a nice day.
I applaud the RD Government for proceeding with Sinovac...I can't imagine what would happen to the rise in COVID-19 if the vaccines were not administered.
I had a rash of electronic crashes. First my computer then my phone... My dumb arse sat on my smart phone,,, toast!
I am exceedingly pleased to have a new Computer and phone.... both manufactured in China , even though American Products.
Get a grip!
Face reality, ad stop the fear BS.
Find something else to bitch about, this one is getting worn down.
Oh shoot, I have a hankering for Chicken Chow Mein and won ton soup... gotta go.
Have a nice day.
Educate yourself, before you can educate others!From Europe: 3,964 People Have Died from Adverse Drug Reactions for COVID-19 “Vaccines” - 162,610 Injuries | The Gateway Pundit | by Joe Hoft
Thousands of Europeans have been injured and have died from taking the COVID-19 (China coronavirus) vaccine since it was first distributed to the public.
Gateway Pundit
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3,964 Dead 162,610 Injuries: European Database of Adverse Drug Reactions for COVID-19 “Vaccines” - Global Research
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3,964 Dead 162,610 Injuries: European Database of Adverse Drug Reactions for COVID-19 “Vaccines” - Global Research
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BEIJING (AP) — A joint WHO-China study on the origins of COVID-19 says that transmission of the virus from bats to humans through another animal is the most likely scenario and that a lab leak is “extremely unlikely,” according to a draft copy obtained by The Associated Press.
The findings offer little new insight into how the virus began to spread around the globe and many questions remain unanswered, though that was as expected. But the report did provide more detail on the reasoning behind the researchers’ conclusions. The team proposed further research in every area except the lab leak hypothesis.
The report’s release has been repeatedly delayed, raising questions about whether the Chinese side was trying to skew the conclusions to prevent blame for the pandemic falling on China. A World Health Organization official said late last week that he expected it would be ready for release “in the next few days.”
The researchers listed four scenarios in order of likelihood for the emergence of the coronavirus named SARS-CoV-2. Topping the list was transmission from bats through another animal, which they said was likely to very likely. They evaluated direct spread from bats to humans as likely, and said that spread through “cold-chain” food products was possible but not likely.
Bats are known to carry coronaviruses and, in fact, the closest relative of the virus that causes COVID-19 has been found in bats. However, the report says that “the evolutionary distance between these bat viruses and SARS-CoV-2 is estimated to be several decades, suggesting a missing link.”
It said highly similar viruses have been found in pangolins, which are another kind of mammal, but also noted that mink and cats are susceptible to the COVID-19 virus, suggesting they could be carriers, too.
The report is based largely on a visit by a WHO team of international experts to Wuhan, the Chinese city where COVID-19 was first detected, from mid-January to mid-February.
Peter Ben Embarek, the WHO expert who led the Wuhan mission, said Friday that the report had been finalized and was being fact-checked and translated.
“I expect that in the next few days, that whole process will be completed and we will be able to release it publicly,” he said.
The draft report is inconclusive on whether the outbreak started at a Wuhan seafood market that had one of the earliest clusters of cases in December 2019.
The discovery of other cases before the Huanan market outbreak suggests it may have started elsewhere. But the report notes there could have been milder cases that went undetected and that could be a link between the market and earlier cases.
“No firm conclusion therefore about the role of the Huanan market in the origin of the outbreak, or how the infection was introduced into the market, can currently be drawn,” the report said.
The market was an early suspect because some stalls sold a range of animals — and some wondered if they had brought the new virus to Wuhan. The report noted that a range of animal products — including everything from bamboo rats to deer, often frozen — were sold at the market, as were live crocodiles.
As the pandemic spread globally, China found samples of the virus on the packaging of frozen food coming into the country and, in some cases, have tracked localized outbreaks to them.
The report said that the cold chain, as it is known, can be a driver of long-distance virus spread but was skeptical it could have triggered the outbreak. The report says the risk is lower than through human-to-human respiratory infection, and most experts agree.
“While there is some evidence for possible reintroduction of SARS-CoV-2 through handling of imported contaminated frozen products in China since the initial pandemic wave, this would be extraordinary in 2019 where the virus was not widely circulating,” the study said.
The report cited several reasons for all but dismissing the possibility the virus escaped from a lab in Wuhan, a speculative theory that was suggested and promoted by former U.S. President Donald Trump among others.
It said such laboratory accidents are rare and the labs in Wuhan working on coronaviruses and vaccines are well-managed. It also noted that there is no record of viruses closely related to SARS-CoV-2 in any laboratory before December 2019 and that the risk of accidentally growing the virus was extremely low.
Source:
apnews.com
The findings offer little new insight into how the virus began to spread around the globe and many questions remain unanswered, though that was as expected. But the report did provide more detail on the reasoning behind the researchers’ conclusions. The team proposed further research in every area except the lab leak hypothesis.
The report’s release has been repeatedly delayed, raising questions about whether the Chinese side was trying to skew the conclusions to prevent blame for the pandemic falling on China. A World Health Organization official said late last week that he expected it would be ready for release “in the next few days.”
The researchers listed four scenarios in order of likelihood for the emergence of the coronavirus named SARS-CoV-2. Topping the list was transmission from bats through another animal, which they said was likely to very likely. They evaluated direct spread from bats to humans as likely, and said that spread through “cold-chain” food products was possible but not likely.
Bats are known to carry coronaviruses and, in fact, the closest relative of the virus that causes COVID-19 has been found in bats. However, the report says that “the evolutionary distance between these bat viruses and SARS-CoV-2 is estimated to be several decades, suggesting a missing link.”
It said highly similar viruses have been found in pangolins, which are another kind of mammal, but also noted that mink and cats are susceptible to the COVID-19 virus, suggesting they could be carriers, too.
The report is based largely on a visit by a WHO team of international experts to Wuhan, the Chinese city where COVID-19 was first detected, from mid-January to mid-February.
Peter Ben Embarek, the WHO expert who led the Wuhan mission, said Friday that the report had been finalized and was being fact-checked and translated.
“I expect that in the next few days, that whole process will be completed and we will be able to release it publicly,” he said.
The draft report is inconclusive on whether the outbreak started at a Wuhan seafood market that had one of the earliest clusters of cases in December 2019.
The discovery of other cases before the Huanan market outbreak suggests it may have started elsewhere. But the report notes there could have been milder cases that went undetected and that could be a link between the market and earlier cases.
“No firm conclusion therefore about the role of the Huanan market in the origin of the outbreak, or how the infection was introduced into the market, can currently be drawn,” the report said.
The market was an early suspect because some stalls sold a range of animals — and some wondered if they had brought the new virus to Wuhan. The report noted that a range of animal products — including everything from bamboo rats to deer, often frozen — were sold at the market, as were live crocodiles.
As the pandemic spread globally, China found samples of the virus on the packaging of frozen food coming into the country and, in some cases, have tracked localized outbreaks to them.
The report said that the cold chain, as it is known, can be a driver of long-distance virus spread but was skeptical it could have triggered the outbreak. The report says the risk is lower than through human-to-human respiratory infection, and most experts agree.
“While there is some evidence for possible reintroduction of SARS-CoV-2 through handling of imported contaminated frozen products in China since the initial pandemic wave, this would be extraordinary in 2019 where the virus was not widely circulating,” the study said.
The report cited several reasons for all but dismissing the possibility the virus escaped from a lab in Wuhan, a speculative theory that was suggested and promoted by former U.S. President Donald Trump among others.
It said such laboratory accidents are rare and the labs in Wuhan working on coronaviruses and vaccines are well-managed. It also noted that there is no record of viruses closely related to SARS-CoV-2 in any laboratory before December 2019 and that the risk of accidentally growing the virus was extremely low.
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WHO report: COVID likely 1st jumped into humans from animals
GENEVA (AP) — A joint World Health Organization-China study on the origins of COVID-19 says that transmission of the virus from bats to humans through another animal is the most likely scenario and that a lab leak is “extremely unlikely,” according to a draft copy obtained by The Associated Press.
apnews.com
The minks culled in the EU can be the most likely source of the virus jump. There was a reported cluster of respiratory cases with an unidentifiable source of viral procedente in Italy. Way before Wuhan or any other reports in China.
Possibility that those minks made their way into China’s wet markets and/or the frozen meats, is high.
Possibility that those minks made their way into China’s wet markets and/or the frozen meats, is high.
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It is certainly just a coincidence that the Chinese Virus was first found in the same area where is virology lab that studies such viruses.
Posing an alternative source to where the Chinese Virus, aka Wuhan Flu, started seems bat-sh*t crazy.
But I could be wrong.
Posing an alternative source to where the Chinese Virus, aka Wuhan Flu, started seems bat-sh*t crazy.
But I could be wrong.
Taiwan was aware of "problems" in China in Q3 of 2019. Is that not before the problems in Italy?
But I could be wrong. The Chinese virus could have come from bats and not a lab near where ChineseVirus19 coincidentally showed up in China.
It depends on the truth you believe and the facts you believe or disbelieve............as the case may be.
Given that, I see no reason, none, nada, zilch, zero to trust anything regarding their (Chinese) vaccines and the claims they have made. You may have a different opinion and I respect that.
You can choose to believe those "facts" that may or may not be accurate. As to the US cases involving death, know that hospitals were financially incentivized by Medicare if they declared a death "Covid related."
Fact check: Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators
Hospitals are paid more for Medicare patients with COVID-19, but a senator who first said that says he doesn't think the system is being gamed.
www.usatoday.com
As to the China numbers............I reiterate..............I see no reason, none, nada, zilch, zero to trust anything regarding their (Chinese) vaccines and the claims they have made.......regarding either the origin, number of cases or number of deaths.
Are you waiting for an appointment? Or are you waiting because of your reluctance to trust the vaccines? Know that if the latter,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you are not alone;
Global attitudes : COVID-19 vaccines
COVID-19 vaccination intent has risen in the past few weeks. New Ipsos-World Economic Forum global survey highlights the increasing demand for COVID-19 vaccines and diverging views on whether vaccination should be mandatory.
Respectfully,
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