And maybe 'antihaitianismo' is functional in maintaining mental health? If people define it as a nationalistic issue rather than a race issue then they can avoid any chronic alienation by remaining largely indifferent to state negrophobia?
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And maybe 'antihaitianismo' is functional in maintaining mental health? If people define it as a nationalistic issue rather than a race issue then they can avoid any chronic alienation by remaining largely indifferent to state negrophobia?
And perhaps it is kept alive by a legitimate fear of being overrun with vast amounts of people from another country.
This is a simple, legit concept that should be easy to understand but for some reason some folks would go to any length to muddle the water with petty accusations and false theories -like aversion to black nalgas by Dominicans- to smear DR.
Ethnic/racial groups are like social classes; they don't commit suicides and will try to avoid being overrun by another group, specially if the other group is seen as a complete and abject failure.
racism
I remember being shocked in my year in Australia by how the Ozzies talked in what I consider to be racists terms about Italians and Greeks. In the melting pot of NYC, Greeks and Italians were US. But down under, no. Among racial study groups in the States, studying the institutionalized racism in the States the definition that they use of racism is "prejudice with power" (that comes out of the Highlander Institutue in Tennesse). But I have some problems with that- since I have heard some spewing hatred of white people coming from black people so my thoughts are that racism is simply judging people by the color of their skin or their ethnic orgin and holding them in some sort of inferior or denigrated position because of that.
Nals- There are somewhere between 4,000 and 15,000 Haitian university students here in the DR. No one is working with them - no NGO, no government group, no business, no one. They have one student group with about 600 members. They are divided between Santiago and SD. These are the best hope for Haiti's future and they are here now in your country. Only about 1% of them are on scholarship, Now, after they graduate, very few of them are going to be able to find work in Haiti, right? Most of them are going to try to imigrate or stay here, right? So why would the DR not try to use these young people, help train them as entrpreneurs or as reps for DR businesses who would go into Haiti. What the Haitian government does not want is for the DR to go out and say hey, please help these poor ignorant people on the other side of the island who are too dumb to help themselves. The DR really is about the least able to speak for Haiti. Culturally sensetive, not....
in that simple way seen you would be right to say:
hey, they don't want that we ask anybody else for help for 'em.
but it is not as simple as that.
big intern probs of Haiti can quickly lead to problems for their neighbours, and a wise neighbour should address and think about solutions of his neighbours problems to defend himself to get involved in such 'from the outside' made probs.
and such 'behavior' is usual all around the globe since ever.
even big powerful nations like the US are travelling with their soldiers the whole planet to solve "intern/religious/economical" probs of nations which did not ask 'em to 'help' them.
anything bad/ugly rising up in Haiti will have a direct influence on the DR, and if even just by bordercrossing of many who flee a war aso.
and every neighbour has his right to try to prvent such,
so asking the internation community to give a hand to Haiti to solve their internal problems doesn't sound such as stu.. to me.
Mike
that is such kind of outside help, and i guess this sort of help is highly appreciated by those Haitian students, even if their home politicians don't wanna anybody to help their people.
and such kind of 'help' is needed,
and of course the helping country will try to get it's own advantage from such, it would stu.. not to do so, those students will finally be helpful on many different kind of jobs/businesses.
some of them may be one day in the crowd which is the new generation's Haitian gubmin and change things in their way.
all positive from my point of view.
Mike
Just wanted to announced that Haiti's external debt of over a billion dollars has been cancelled by the World Bank and the IMF so perhaps we are going to see some real progress now. And if we do see some economic progress, I bet we will also see a great reduction in any sort of antihaitiationismo..... because, honestly--- in my entire four years here I can have only heard one person speak in what i would really term racist anti haitian terms-- the rest is simply just an effort to establish themselves as actually citizens of this country, this land.
Mountainannie; can you briefly tell us your personal opinion of why Haiti since its creation has been unable to pull ahead and provide its people what they need and what are the chances of history not repeating itself, will Haitians squander this opportunity you just mention?
I think economic progress in Haiti will really change things.
However, I don't believe the status quo for immigration will change until Haiti is much more stable. What would it take for all of these NGO's to come here and build schools for the Haitian children in the interim?
This actually brought a smile (well, more like a smerk) to my face. Haven't felt this good towards Haiti since Rene Preval won the elections. :classic:
-NALs
Depends on the status of the particular Dominican, but assuming that being equal; no.Thandie said:
Well...Thandie said:
There are other examples.
-NALs
no
surely you have followed my blog?
not enough time
and no sense in doing this here
if you want to do this
go on over to dominican today where they absolutely delight in this discussion
i am much more interested in how haiti is going to pull forward in the future
surely you have followed my blog?
not enough time
and no sense in doing this here
if you want to do this
go on over to dominican today where they absolutely delight in this discussion
i am much more interested in how haiti is going to pull forward in the future
for a theme discussed here on the thread we do not need a link or hint or such to go to a personal bloq or somewhere else.
if you have something to say to the theme of this thread it should be said here, if you don't have the time to follow up so numerous important threads just don't join in and leave it to others.
that advice to go somewhere else to get the info is the most 'mal criado costumbre' i read since a while.
sorry for the rant Lad,
but that's lowest educational level.
i hate that arrogant way to tell somebody 'go there where I have the big info'. that info is asked HERE.
Mike
Mike,
I can see what you are saying.
I enjoy reading Mrs Annie and would like to see her post here.
But Google her and read her stuff all the same.
Definitely worth the effort.
Than list the 'specific' and REAL examples where people are imposing their will.... I am waiting to see where this has been done by any poster or nation?
The definition of IMPOSE: to establish and apply by force; to establish or bring about by force.
BTW dont add your words to my posts, i.e. I did not say what you typed in the[...]. That tactic does not prove anything.