i hope you are sarcastic too, ICH LIEBE DICH :chinese: or ti quiero:bunny:, i know the difference.....:bunny::bunny:
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Pedro Clisante at night is like a police state.
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i hope you are sarcastic too, ICH LIEBE DICH :chinese: or ti quiero:bunny:, i know the difference.....:bunny::bunny:
especially if you like "plastic" women....
aranoid:give me Sabine Lisicki....thats beauty.....
Damned if we do, Damned if we don?t
Getting back to the subject of Sosua, I wonder if anyone here on DR1 is able to quantify the many bastard-childs that were created by the prostitutes of Pedro Clisante and their johns. That would be an interesting number to know. And please spare me the rant that everybody here practises safe sex., because we all know that after a few visite to these whores, the prostitute gain the trust of the johns and that?s exactly when the condoms begin to come off.
Furthermore, I find the hysteria caused from the clean-up of Sosua humorous and amazing, anyone that ever had the unfortunate pleasure of visiting Sosua should have known that this clearn-up was inevitable, and long over due. From the begining of the clean-up, the outraged vacationers and the many expats that call Sosua home have embarked on a vigorous smear campaign against the mayor and her team.
Many expats have fought vigorously on this forum against the upcoming changes, some posting the most absurd and quite honestly most laughable conspiracies in Dominican history. Some have gone as far as reaching some pretty ridiculous conclusions that the Mayor has some medieval plan to oust everyone from their businesses and then split the riches between her and her followers. Others have gone as far as accusing the mayor and her team as modern day mobsters, who?s only interest is to keep the lions-share of all the prositution monies.
To be honest much of these theories have caused me a few mental meltdowns. However, living under the flag of democracy, I know we all have the right to an opinion, nevertheless, we should keep in mind that just because we have the right doesn?t mean we should come to rediculous conclusions without any actual facts. As I?ve aged I have become more understanding of others, thus making me a better human being. I ask that we all take a minute or so to reflect on what?s at stake, maybe this way we could all benefit from these changes. Rather than seeing all the negatives, maybe we should be looking for the positives, and giving the mayor a chance before we begin to see everything she does as a doom and gloom end to Sosua would undoubtedly make us better human beings.
For those that wholeheartedly believe that Sosua was a better place before the new laws were enacted, I would suggest to you to head back to your country of origen and implement the same business structure that was functioning in Sosua. I could see it now, Atlantic City New Jersey, or better yet Coney Island in Brooklyn, full of prostitutes, pimps, johns, shoe shine boys, pica pollo in every corner and the pirate CD seller every where, breaking every copy write law in existence. The fat overweight older man picking up young underaged little girls. Yeah I could see how this would play in the eyes of the national medias.
We must understand that the rising crime rate, prostitution, drug abuse and many other ills the Dominican people faces on a daily bases is a bitter and resentful open sour to us. Sosua believe it or not was contributing more to the problem, than help in the solution to these ailments. Many vacationers come down here for a week or two and in the process they do as they wish, some of these tourist take advantage of the weak minded young girls and even worse, a very small number of degenerates take advantage of little boys as well. You must understand, this does not help the prostitutes or society in any way, rather it contribute to every crime mentioned above.
My point of view may be unpopular with many of you here, and I know this isn?t what most DR1 readers want to hear, but please spare me the superficial lecture that all this corruption in Sosua played in favor of the poor populus of this impoverished nation. To those that really believe that they are actually helping the poor ?campesina girl? by providing income to them and their families, I would ask of you to look passed your personal feelings and interest and maybe you will understand that your NOT really helping them.
Working passed my personal sentiments as well, I ask of you, If you really want to help these impoverished people, next time you come down here from your gilded communities up north, bring with you a consolation gift for one of these poor families you so much speak of helping. Or better yet, just drop it off in one of the many agencies that work to counter the effect of poverty in the DR. By doing this you will help fight poverty, and also help off-set the many misery we Dominicans are left with after you go back home.
I laugh my ass off when I hear many people on this forums, complaining that nothing works in this country. That the streets are full garbage, streets full of potholes, the light constantly goes out, gasoline is too expensive, the poverty is in full sight of everyone, someone even complained that they can?t even flush down the toilet paper in this country. Do you really think that we Dominicans love having all this misery around us? I don?t really have to answer that one for you, do I. What makes me luagh even more, is that when we try to implement changes to off-set some of these woes, we are then bombarded with disapprovel by the same group that finds everything Dominican lacking. Hence, the title of this post, Damned if we do, and Damned if we don?t. Sure taking out the prostitutes of Pedro Clisante, wont help with all the other misery I mentioned above, but its a start, and taking one step forward, is one step in the right direction.
Getting back to the subject of Sosua, I wonder if anyone here on DR1 is able to quantify the many bastard-childs that were created by the prostitutes of Pedro Clisante and their johns. That would be an interesting number to know. And please spare me the rant that everybody here practises safe sex., because we all know that after a few visite to these whores, the prostitute gain the trust of the johns and that?s exactly when the condoms begin to come off.
Furthermore, I find the hysteria caused from the clean-up of Sosua humorous and amazing, anyone that ever had the unfortunate pleasure of visiting Sosua should have known that this clearn-up was inevitable, and long over due. From the begining of the clean-up, the outraged vacationers and the many expats that call Sosua home have embarked on a vigorous smear campaign against the mayor and her team.
Many expats have fought vigorously on this forum against the upcoming changes, some posting the most absurd and quite honestly most laughable conspiracies in Dominican history. Some have gone as far as reaching some pretty ridiculous conclusions that the Mayor has some medieval plan to oust everyone from their businesses and then split the riches between her and her followers. Others have gone as far as accusing the mayor and her team as modern day mobsters, who?s only interest is to keep the lions-share of all the prositution monies.
To be honest much of these theories have caused me a few mental meltdowns. However, living under the flag of democracy, I know we all have the right to an opinion, nevertheless, we should keep in mind that just because we have the right doesn?t mean we should come to rediculous conclusions without any actual facts. As I?ve aged I have become more understanding of others, thus making me a better human being. I ask that we all take a minute or so to reflect on what?s at stake, maybe this way we could all benefit from these changes. Rather than seeing all the negatives, maybe we should be looking for the positives, and giving the mayor a chance before we begin to see everything she does as a doom and gloom end to Sosua would undoubtedly make us better human beings.
For those that wholeheartedly believe that Sosua was a better place before the new laws were enacted, I would suggest to you to head back to your country of origen and implement the same business structure that was functioning in Sosua. I could see it now, Atlantic City New Jersey, or better yet Coney Island in Brooklyn, full of prostitutes, pimps, johns, shoe shine boys, pica pollo in every corner and the pirate CD seller every where, breaking every copy write law in existence. The fat overweight older man picking up young underaged little girls. Yeah I could see how this would play in the eyes of the national medias.
We must understand that the rising crime rate, prostitution, drug abuse and many other ills the Dominican people faces on a daily bases is a bitter and resentful open sour to us. Sosua believe it or not was contributing more to the problem, than help in the solution to these ailments. Many vacationers come down here for a week or two and in the process they do as they wish, some of these tourist take advantage of the weak minded young girls and even worse, a very small number of degenerates take advantage of little boys as well. You must understand, this does not help the prostitutes or society in any way, rather it contribute to every crime mentioned above.
My point of view may be unpopular with many of you here, and I know this isn?t what most DR1 readers want to hear, but please spare me the superficial lecture that all this corruption in Sosua played in favor of the poor populus of this impoverished nation. To those that really believe that they are actually helping the poor ?campesina girl? by providing income to them and their families, I would ask of you to look passed your personal feelings and interest and maybe you will understand that your NOT really helping them.
Working passed my personal sentiments as well, I ask of you, If you really want to help these impoverished people, next time you come down here from your gilded communities up north, bring with you a consolation gift for one of these poor families you so much speak of helping. Or better yet, just drop it off in one of the many agencies that work to counter the effect of poverty in the DR. By doing this you will help fight poverty, and also help off-set the many misery we Dominicans are left with after you go back home.
I laugh my ass off when I hear many people on this forums, complaining that nothing works in this country. That the streets are full garbage, streets full of potholes, the light constantly goes out, gasoline is too expensive, the poverty is in full sight of everyone, someone even complained that they can?t even flush down the toilet paper in this country. Do you really think that we Dominicans love having all this misery around us? I don?t really have to answer that one for you, do I. What makes me luagh even more, is that when we try to implement changes to off-set some of these woes, we are then bombarded with disapprovel by the same group that finds everything Dominican lacking. Hence, the title of this post, Damned if we do, and Damned if we don?t. Sure taking out the prostitutes of Pedro Clisante, wont help with all the other misery I mentioned above, but its a start, and taking one step forward, is one step in the right direction.
Good post Taino808. While I do not care if people are engaging in pay for play with consenting adults, I do have a problem with pedophiles taking advantage of lack of law enforcement to have their fun with unaged boys and girls. Poverty ends when you have education and employment.
A very good post! I 100% agree.
To me the new Sosua of today without puta bars and discos,johns, sex-tourists and putas looks and feels much better than the old one that existed before Dec.3.
Good job!
To me the new Sosua of today without puta bars and discos,johns, sex-tourists and putas looks and feels much better than the old one that existed before Dec.3.
Good job!
The fat overweight older man picking up young underaged little girls
if you really want facts, i can tell you that most underage girls in the DR are getting pregnant by dominican men, some as young as 10. latino men are known worldwide for seeking underage girls.
we tourists may have a bad rep in some categories but dont blame us for the 1000's of pedophiles living in the DR.
if you really want facts, i can tell you that most underage girls in the DR are getting pregnant by dominican men, some as young as 10. latino men are known worldwide for seeking underage girls.
we tourists may have a bad rep in some categories but dont blame us for the 1000's of pedophiles living in the DR.
The legal age of consent in the DR is 18. I wonder what percentage of girls become pregnant by then. There are a lot of 30 year-old grandmothers in the DR.
Taino808, excellent post.
I'm an expat that likes to see the changes being put in place. Dominicans can decide what they want in their own country and we expats can decide if we like it or not, and if we don't like it we can leave and find another place that gives us what we want.
I want to live in a nice place and if hookers and rif-raf were moving into my neighborhood here at home I would be upset as would be all my neighbors. In no way would I ever suggest that although I don't want prostitues around me here I demand that they be kept in Sosua.
I'm an expat that likes to see the changes being put in place. Dominicans can decide what they want in their own country and we expats can decide if we like it or not, and if we don't like it we can leave and find another place that gives us what we want.
I want to live in a nice place and if hookers and rif-raf were moving into my neighborhood here at home I would be upset as would be all my neighbors. In no way would I ever suggest that although I don't want prostitues around me here I demand that they be kept in Sosua.
Right, Sam!
Sex tourists are not welcome here in Sosua any longer. Let them look for another place for their hobby, or be prepared to face concequences from the authorities and police here in Sosua. And probably back in their country.
We want a squeeky clean Sosua. The Mayor and Vice Mayor are on the right noble way.
Agreed.
I can only speak for myself when I posted the (not a complaint) facts of Dominican poverty (electric, water, toilet, etc.) in response to it being compared to 1st World poverty. It's not the same and to mention inner city blues here in the US while discussing Dominican poverty glosses over a lot of pain and suffering there and diminishes the severity of the need for a new socio-economic paradigm.
I doubt that prostitution will be outlawed in Sosua. I don't doubt that it will be controlled and I do think that the new Administration there has every right to follow their mandate because the old paradigm carried far too many unwanted side effects (drugs, assaults, scams, etc.). Visitors get to come and wallow in the mud, shower and then go home but the folks they left behind are stuck in it. That should and will change as regional prosperity demands an end to the "Wild, Wild West" mentality and order is established and maintained. This will not turn Sosua into Disneyland by any means but it will make it more stable and thusly more suitable for expectation of positive returns on future investment there.
The increase in high end investment/ development should carry with it the guarrantee of improved infrastructure if only because it's in the best interest of the developers' profit margins, the entire region will benefit. At the very least it will improve the tax base.
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Right, Sam!
Sex tourists are not welcome here in Sosua any longer. Let them look for another place for their hobby, or be prepared to face concequences from the authorities and police here in Sosua. And probably back in their country.
We want a squeeky clean Sosua. The Mayor and Vice Mayor are on the right noble way
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Right, Sam!
Sex tourists are not welcome here in Sosua any longer. Let them look for another place for their hobby, or be prepared to face concequences from the authorities and police here in Sosua. And probably back in their country.
We want a squeeky clean Sosua. The Mayor and Vice Mayor are on the right noble way
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I agree with you as well bob, I really don?t care what consenting adults do BEHIND closed doors. However, when you have girls fighting each others for a john, in the middle of the street, with a broken beer bottle in their hands, and in full sight of everyone, that?s when it becomes a problem for me.
Also keep in mind that these girls have real low self-esteem, hence making them more vulnerable to drug abuse. As you may be aware of the law of supply and demand. If someone is buying, someone else will be there supplying them. I would also add that the lack of morals these girls possess, contributes to the constant recruiting of new young girls. That?s why its imperative that prostitution is controlled, shunned down uppon, and moved out of sight of everyone, so as to halt the ever increasing number of these girls on the street.
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Right, Sam!
Sex tourists are not welcome here in Sosua any longer. Let them look for another place for their hobby, or be prepared to face concequences from the authorities and police here in Sosua. And probably back in their country.
We want a squeeky clean Sosua. The Mayor and Vice Mayor are on the right noble way
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Couple of observations -
Yes they and their money are still welcome.
Consequences of doing legal stuff? What consequences?
Squeaky clean - you mean like the AIs at Playada Dorada?
Noble? The Mayor is noble?
Yours is one of the most stupid posts I have ever read.
Oh and by the way, can you lend me your brain? - I am building an idiot.
Right, Sam!
Sex tourists are not welcome here in Sosua any longer. Let them look for another place for their hobby, or be prepared to face concequences from the authorities and police here in Sosua. And probably back in their country.
We want a squeeky clean Sosua. The Mayor and Vice Mayor are on the right noble way
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Couple of observations -
Yes they and their money are still welcome.
Consequences of doing legal stuff? What consequences?
Squeaky clean - you mean like the AIs at Playada Dorada?
Noble? The Mayor is noble?
Yours is one of the most stupid posts I have ever read.
Oh and by the way, can you lend me your brain? - I am building an idiot.
Not alone. There are many middle-older age families who will be willing to visit Sosua once the current cleanning of sex-tourism and mongers is successfully completed here. A proper and close cooperation with the respective US authorities would of help to Ilana and Willy. I speak to many expats and Dominicans. All share this point of view.
Is their "stuff" also considered "legal" in their country of jurisdiction - USA?
And please refrain from obscenities.
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