Pedro Clisante at night is like a police state.

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You are valid too. But those guys are allowed to have unlimited and cheap sex in their respective countries so for the purpose of sex tourism and prostitution in Sosua they are not an issue.

You are incredible!! Each post makes less sense the last!!! Do you really mean to say that Russians, Canadians, and Germans have access to unlimited and cheap sex, unlike America which is somehow intrinsically different?

So what accounts for the fact that the majority of male tourists are from those countries and not America....are they here for the beautiful beaches, cheap beer, pampering resorts, and great golf? Or is that cheap and unlimited in their countries as well? :ninja:

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I think the main reason is that it's not really a "resort" destination for Dominicans, or anyone for that matter. When people think of a Caribbean Beach Resort vacationin the DR, even the locals, they think of Punta Cana, Playa Dorada, Bayahibe, even Samana or the South West area...they don't think of a small town without one really nice hotel/resort, and a small crowded beach.

I'm not bashing or defending Sosua, just stating my opinion of what Sosua is...a multi-National small town with a small but decent beach, cheap hotels, pretty good selection of restaurants, and a lot of bars on a dark, busy main street. With or without prostitutes and shoe shine boys, this will never compete with the places above, let alone, Jamaica, The Bahamas, The Virgin Islands, etc.

All that said, Sosua as it is has a certain charm that obviously attracts some people, tourists and ex-pats alike. Maybe all this hoopla over cleaning up Sosua will seem silly a few months or a few years down the road, but whomever, or whatever, is behind these fairly major changes, are travelling up a slippery slope that could ruin Sosua for a very long time, possibly permanently.

Excellent point. I agree 100% with your opinion about "what Sosus is". I don't think anyone, whether Dominican or not would consider Sosua a "resort"destination. It is just as you describe it "a multi-National small town with a small but decent beach, cheap hotels, pretty good selection of restaurants, and a lot of bars on a dark, busy main street. And although it is not a "resort destination", every Sunday that small beach has quite a few Dominican visitors from Santiago, La Vega, Moca, etc. enjoying themselves with their families. Whether they come in the many SUV's that park along the streets of Charamicos or the tiny beach parking lot. Also, the ones who bring their small boats to launch on the ramp at the beach entrance and the many that arrive in the large buses parked along the main road.. I think for them it can be descirbed as a "weekend destination". When Sosua Bay Hotel does their promotions in Santiago for the weekends it is filled. And Semana Santa, well actually during Semana Santa it is just too crowded.

Apart from these weekend Dominican visitors there are several wealthy Dominican families who own houses here, and spend a lot of time here. I just saw another thread listing the wealthiest people in the Dominican Republic and four of these people or their families have houses here. Actually about a year and a half ago I attended a wedding reception given by one of those families. It was held right on the "new" beach at the end of calle Dr. Rosen, right in front of their house. They actually set up a complete platform, dance floor and stage with full theatrical lighting, right there on the beach. It was fabulous.

This also makes me wonder about post #303 by arseniog, on this thread, he states how 95% of Dominicans have such a low opinion of Sosua. There seem to be quite a few Dominican visitors still coming here from other parts of the country.

With all this talk about Pedro Clisante being a police state, Sosua dying, Sosua is finished, I don't bother with Sosua, I won't go back to Sosua, etc., etc. there is a side to Sosua that most people haven't mentioned too often in this thread. Aside from Sosua's ex-pat population, there are approximately 25,000 Dominicans (and the current census will give us a more accurate count) that still call Sosua home despite the obvious deterioration that has taken place lately. These are the families whose children attend all the schools in Sosua, whether public or private, and the teachers who teach in those schools. The doctors , dentists, pharmacists, lawyers, architects, etc. who work and live in Sosua, the people who work for edenorte, codetel, orange, viva, claro, cooraplata and so-on. There are also several high ranking military & government officials living in Sosua. These are 25,000 people that have been the backbone of Sosua throughout it's interesting history and many changes. These people are acutely aware of what Sosua was and is. Hopefully, whoever is behind these changes are genuinely considering these people's future. Ultimately they are the ones who will directly benefit or suffer depending on the final results of whatever changes do take place over the long term.
 

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about as long as Ive been hang-gliding


Not you, you plonker!

I was just wondering why ab2000 is so far off base with all this?


And hang-gliding is another thing they ought to ban in Sosua - that and particle accelerators, slalom skiing and the Paris Dakar Rally.
 

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Not you, you plonker!

I was just wondering why ab2000 is so far off base with all this?


And hang-gliding is another thing they ought to ban in Sosua - that and particle accelerators, slalom skiing and the Paris Dakar Rally.

... and probably anything associated with stem cells, also :paranoid:
 

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This whole thread is going way off track. I was out on Saturday night and PG was doing just great. The bars had quite a few people in them and there certainly a few ladies available. During my stroll between a few bars, not one Politur in sight. Hey, that?s OK with me. This weekend, my main peeve is the noise. Those dam SUV?s driving through town or parked in front of colmados with the noise (I think at a lower volume could be music) are doing more harm to tourists and residents than a couple of Haitian girls walking down the street. I think solving that problem should be ahead of controlling hookers.
Also, it would be nice to see some Christmas decorations in the parks and city hall. Sosua is probably the only town in the DR that has nothing.
 

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you have to wonder why this thread has stayed open....while wandering in all directions...I suppose some people like to keep seeing sosua in the news
 

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You are right, there are more problems here. But prostitution and US sex tourism is number one and to begin with. As due to mongers young girls from their very young years understand that it is not necessary to study and to work hard to live well. If one can sell her body to single American vacationaries. This moral damage is very hard to correct later.

If Obama really does it and keeps them here for at least 24 months - it will help greatly.

Does ab2000 really think that American troops are coming to Sosua to fight Prostitution? :eek:gre:

PLEEEEEEESE!!!! BAN THIS MEMBER....
 

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I wasn't sure if I should reply but after taking a walk I just have to say that I have an opinion that many may have, or not.
Sosua may have been a sex trade town for a long time but maybe Sosua is changing. There are many of the dreaded retirees (of which I am one) who would love be able to see the streets of Sosua filled with interesting boutiques, wine bars and comfortable places to be. I know, how bourgeois, but you have to admit there is that element filtering into Sosua and places like it. So let the putas and the men that like that sort of thing go to the fringes of the town where they can do what ever they want and allow the town to take a step up. With creative minds Sosua can find a new way to promote itself and to grow its tourism, in what in my opinion, would be a more interesting way than sex trade. I mean really, is that all we have going on??
 
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I think all commenting from anywhere south or east of Sosua are in need of a field trip to investigate exactly what is going on, how, where and why.
Anyone got a bus??:bunny::bunny:
 

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This whole thread is going way off track. I was out on Saturday night and PG was doing just great. The bars had quite a few people in them and there certainly a few ladies available...

I can 100% agree to that. Was out last Saturday, too. We (Cabarete residents) have only on very few occasions visited Sosua in the last years. Walking on the walkways past Classico and Latino, etc, having to pass Hundreds of half naked prostitutes and their (at times very smelly) ?clients? ? just not what we wanted to experience on a Saturday night out.
When we heard that Sosua has been ?cleaned up? we thought we give it a try again, and wow, what a difference!
Like before, many people in Sosua, but now they were decent dressed, smiling, treating each other with respect ? a very nice, friendly and positive atmosphere.
We had a blast in Rumba, where a very mixed crowd (Dominicans, Residents and tourists) can enjoy Dominican music.
Way to go, I hope Sosua stays like this and I?m sure we will be back more often and we will start to recommend Sosua as a nightlife option again to our friends and clients.
 
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I can 100% agree to that. Was out last Saturday, too. We (Cabarete residents) have only on very few occasions visited Sosua in the last years. Walking on the walkways past Classico and Latino, etc, having to pass Hundreds of half naked prostitutes and their (at times very s melly) ?clients? ? just not what we wanted to experience on a Saturday night out.
When we heard that Sosua has been ?cleaned up? we thought we give it a try again, and wow, what a difference!
Like before, many people in Sosua, but now they were decent dressed, smiling, treating each other with respect ? a very nice, friendly and positive atmosphere.
We had a blast in Rumba, where a very mixed crowd (Dominicans, Residents and tourists) can enjoy Dominican music.
Way to go, I hope Sosua stays like this and I?m sure we will be back more often and we will start to recommend Sosua as a nightlife option again to our friends and clients.
In retrospect, you're right. The girls on the street looked at me but made no gestures at all. (Booohooooo, Nobody loves me any more). I was out alone. We had a great dinner wth some friends but my wife wanted to catch up on her TV. Hit a couple of bars and even thought of crossing to Rumba. My favorite on Karaoke nights. Anyway, long story short, Sosua has reached a good compromise. NOW Liana loose those idots with the loud music SUV's and get some decorations up.
 

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we have a saying here in the US,

if you can't run with the big dogs keep your little **s on the porch. :laugh:
 

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My point of view may be unpopular with many of you here, and I know this isn?t what most DR1 readers want to hear,

au contraire Taino... your point of view (in it's entirety, orginal post form) is exactly what I want to hear. It's said in this modern world there's two distinct groups of people; those that live their life in real-time, and those who live it on the internet... I often have to remind myself that the many people I know in Sosua DO NOT frequent this forum at all, (save for one business owner being a lurker and very ocassional poster) and they love their home, they love their place in it, they embrace all that's good and never speak trash of the place, publically at least.

The moaning ****ers on here really do need to understand this forum appears high up in google searches... exactly how I came across it two years ago when doing research on one of the 3 or 4 holiday destinations we'd narrowed down... had I read any of the trash talk I'm reading now, we'd never have gone there.... but regardless of the **** being peddled, we're about to book our third vacation there for next year... and I hope to god never to bump into the sad ****s talking sosua down so indiscriminately and enjoy the company of people glad to be there, happy and welcoming of 'gringos'...

**** all you naysayers, with notable exceptions...
 
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dont worry ian you wont meet them most live in santo domingo or santiago,,,you would be unlucky to meet them on their occassional trip to get laid and they probably wouldnt venture out in daylight anyway
 

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You should book your trip without any hesitation. Now, without prostitutes and sex tourists here you will really enjoy Sosua. And you will support our economy in this needed Christmas time.

We are very glad and welcome to good respectable law obeying guests and visitors. Not to sex tourists puta mongers and drug addicts.

au contraire Taino... your point of view (in it's entirety, orginal post form) is exactly what I want to hear. It's said in this modern world there's two distinct groups of people; those that live their life in real-time, and those who live it on the internet... I often have to remind myself that the many people I know in Sosua DO NOT frequent this forum at all, (save for one business owner being a lurker and very ocassional poster) and they love their home, they love their place in it, they embrace all that's good and never speak trash of the place, publically at least.

The moaning ****ers on here really do need to understand this forum appears high up in google searches... exactly how I came across it two years ago when doing research on one of the 3 or 4 holiday destinations we'd narrowed down... had I read any of the trash talk I'm reading now, we'd never have gone there.... but regardless of the **** being peddled, we're about to book our third vacation there for next year... and I hope to god never to bump into the sad ****s talking sosua down so indiscriminately and enjoy the company of people glad to be there, happy and welcoming of 'gringos'...

**** all you naysayers, with notable exceptions...
 

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You should book your trip without any hesitation. Now, without prostitutes and sex tourists here you will really enjoy Sosua. And you will support our economy in this needed Christmas time.

We are very glad and welcome to good respectable law obeying guests and visitors. Not to sex tourists puta mongers and drug addicts.

This is the Dominican Republic and it's their country, I'm going to be a long-term guest...maybe until the end of my days... I love this country because I feel more free here than the USA. The only thing I would change here is the law that says your guilty before being proven innocent. If it makes you feel better talking down other people...so be it, but you look ugly to me...
 
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You should book your trip without any hesitation. Now, without prostitutes and sex tourists here you will really enjoy Sosua. And you will support our economy in this needed Christmas time.

We are very glad and welcome to good respectable law obeying guests and visitors. Not to sex tourists puta mongers and drug addicts.

yeah, now the bars are loaded with frustrated people like ab2000, havin nice discusions, ohh, i like it....:bored:
That will make me come back.....);
 

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Sosua,a family fun theme park

This is a great thread . One thing I must agree with is that no matter how much they try , Sosua will never be a mega tourist destination . They are trying to make Disney out of something that at best will never be more than the annual country fair . Thats fine with me . Sosuas true unparalleled beauty is found on its authentic Dominican beach that boasts a real Dominican culture with spirited people who sing and dance more than they talk and walk. Is there anything better than sipping a cuba libre on a Sunday afternoon on Sosua bay while the sun is setting over the dominio tables to the sounds of bachatta ? I think not .
Pedro Clisante is a different story . Perhaps someone can confirm , but the latest I heard from a local business owner there is that the streets have improved while still maintaining the ladies . The closed in bars allow women inside with or without an escort while the bars still without walls require all ladies to be escorted .
As someone who lived in Sosua for 2 years and plan to again , I am all in favor of drastic changes in Sosua , especially pertaining to a more secure ambiance , but I do feel that locking every lady up after 9.00 pm without a chico is too extreme , not to mention a violation of constitutional rights in a country where prostituion is legal .
Like it or not , but up until this point , prostitution has been the backbone of Sosuas fragile eggshell economy and I dont think shooing off the ladies is going to attract a market of classier sun starved gringos waiting for every last Haitian to be shipped back to Dejabon in the back of a Fed X truck before they buy thier plane tickets is the answer .Yes, employ more police on the streets to counter the hood willies and broken bottle beer fights and exterminate the chullos running around with thier boxers pulled up to the rim of thier yankees caps , but leave virginia alone .

Marco
 

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Yes, the streets are cleared up, but all of the women are still here. For those of you that like them, don't worry. Everything is just a bit more organized than before.
 
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