Solar panels

[PICHARDO]

What TRACE SOLAR has done is appropriated the original logo for TRACE, and add the word Solar to it. TRACE, a US company was purchased a while back by XANTREX. See the logo on this inverter?

http://www.oasismontana.com/images/traceSW.jpg

Also, you can buy batteries here in the DR with the TRACE brand on them, not TRACE SOLAR, just TRACE last I saw one. TRACE never made batteries so you have to wonder where they came from. (HINT: They came from someone trying to capitalize on a brand name while selling a questionable quality battery).

So you're saying that TRACE is selling stuff that belongs to XANTREX and made it their own??? LOL!!!

TRACE is a brand that was owned partially by XANTREX which bought the full 100% from the original TRACE owner and sold the brand to a group of Dominicans with the caveat of a partnership in between them.

TRACE never made batteries or marketed them from other sources as theirs, which is why XANTREX was interested in someone willing to go the extra mile in expanding the product lines offered to capitalize on their own products. When you buy TRACE batteries, you're really buying XANTREX stuff!!

The same goes for stuff partnered via XANTREX partial hoders Schneider Electric... If you don't sell batteries you can't sell charges made by XANTREX!!!

 

[windeguy]

That explains how the TRACE batteries came to be.

By the way. The link called Untitled Document in your post above points at traceinternational.com.
When you click on it, it shows a few images before it crashes and burns. At least they are consistent with many other DR companies that have web sites.

(Please note I am joking, but how many good websites are there for DR product related companies?)

 

[windeguy]

So you're saying that TRACE is selling stuff that belongs to XANTREX and made it their own??? LOL!!!

TRACE is a brand that was owned partially by XANTREX which bought the full 100% from the original TRACE owner and sold the brand to a group of Dominicans with the caveat of a partnership in between them.

TRACE never made batteries or marketed them from other sources as theirs, which is why XANTREX was interested in someone willing to go the extra mile in expanding the product lines offered to capitalize on their own products. When you buy TRACE batteries, you're really buying XANTREX stuff!!

The same goes for stuff partnered via XANTREX partial hoders Schneider Electric... If you don't sell batteries you can't sell charges made by XANTREX!!!

Where did I say that TRACE is selling stuff that belongs to XANTREX and made it their own? I did not.
I called XANTREX/TRACE to ask them if they made batteries and they told me NO, they NEVER made batteries.
From my information on directly calling the company in the US, I dispute your contention about the batteries.

 

[PICHARDO]

That explains how the TRACE batteries came to be.

By the way. The link called Untitled Document in your post above points at traceinternational.com.
When you click on it, it shows a few images before it crashes and burns. At least they are consistent with many other
DR companies that have web sites. (Please note I am joking, but how many good websites are there for DR product related companies?)

Not many, but it didn't crash on mine, so I think it has to do with your download speed here in the DR and not the website. It loads as you browse, so there's no preloading, wait and show. If the speed is too slow or the packets are too corrupted the whole page renders an error...

TRACE International is their out of the DR commerce line and brand, the one for the DR is TRACE Solar alone.

 

[windeguy]

Not many, but it didn't crash on mine, so I think it has to do with your download speed here in the DR and not the website. It loads as you browse, so there's no preloading, wait and show. If the speed is too slow or the packets are too corrupted the whole page renders an error...

TRACE International is their out of the DR commerce line and brand, the one for the DR is TRACE Solar alone.

That could be, but I have no such problems with other web sites timing out in that manner. I have the best service Jodetel can offer me. I still dispute that Xantrex (or in the past Trace before there Xantrex bought them) ever made batteries.

 

[PICHARDO]

Where did I say that TRACE is selling stuff that belongs to XANTREX and made it their own? I did not.
I called XANTREX/TRACE to ask them if they made batteries and they told me NO, they NEVER made batteries.
From my information on directly calling the company in the US, I dispute your contention about the batteries.

Who said they made the batteries their own? I said the original TRACE owner in partnership with XANTREX never made batteries or marketed them from other sources as theirs, which is why the new owners do sell their own (but sourced from outside manufacturers) battery lines... Here you can see their TRACE International line of batteries (all sourced from secondary channels):

TRACE International

 

[PICHARDO]

That could be, but I have no such problems with other web sites timing out in that manner. I have the best service Jodetel can offer me. I still dispute that Xantrex (or in the past Trace before there Xantrex bought them) ever made batteries.

Where did I said XANTREX made batteries????

 

[PICHARDO]

So you're saying that TRACE is selling stuff that belongs to XANTREX and made it their own??? LOL!!!

TRACE is a brand that was owned partially by XANTREX which bought the full 100% from the original TRACE owner and sold the brand to a group of Dominicans with the caveat of a partnership in between them.

TRACE never made batteries or marketed them from other sources as theirs, which is why XANTREX was interested in someone willing to go the extra mile in expanding the product lines offered to capitalize on their own products. When you buy TRACE batteries, you're really buying XANTREX stuff!!

The same goes for stuff partnered via XANTREX partial hoders Schneider Electric... If you don't sell batteries you can't sell charges made by XANTREX!!!

The XANTREX stuff is the chargers and all other hardware that's needed to plug those batteries. Maybe this is where you meant I pointed that the stuff was XANTREX supplied batteries???

 

[windeguy]

The XANTREX stuff is the chargers and all other hardware that's needed to plug those batteries. Maybe this is where you meant I pointed that the stuff was XANTREX supplied batteries???

Correct. Those Trace batteries still come from somewhere and I would avoid them based upon my personal experience.

 

[PICHARDO]

Correct. Those Trace batteries still come from somewhere and I would avoid them based upon my personal experience.

Well... They are from the secondary market supply channels, form which you can expect some value but not quality at the end... The gel type batteries have made the older ones obsolete in months after coming into market, again after their third generation had the kinks mostly fixed.

 

[windeguy]

Well... They are from the secondary market supply channels, form which you can expect some value but not quality at the end... The gel type batteries have made the older ones obsolete in months after coming into market, again after their third generation had the kinks mostly fixed.

While Gel Batteries may be the state of the art for certain installations where maintenance is an issue, I will stick to the better quality standard lead/acid batteries (from Trojan, US Battery) at this time until they are proven to be more cost effective.

 

[belmont]

I' sure you didn't mean to avoid the question:

Where on earth, even with a 0% finance rate, could you expect to recover the cost of a solar installation in three years?

 

[pi2]

Most likely anywhere where the alternative is an expensive feed from the electrictity grid. In sunny areas in the DR with expensive electricity the payback is more like 5 years if alternative is the grid supply with low cost connection.
Panels or tiles are 2 - 3 dollars a watt now - if this becomes 1$ then in this second case you could expect to see 3 year payback period.
Patents are running out and energy requirments to produce panels are reducing.
pi2

 

[Taylor]

anyone interested, here's panels under $1 per watt

Solar Panels, PV Systems and Inverters Distributor

it's in miami, but with shipping it's still close to $1 landed. i just ordered 28.

 

[windeguy]

anyone interested, here's panels under $1 per watt

Solar Panels, PV Systems and Inverters Distributor

it's in miami, but with shipping it's still close to $1 landed. i just ordered 28.

Good deal. How much is it to ship 28 panels to your door and which exact model did you pick?

 

[MJSantoDomingo]

Actually - can you tell me more than just shipping...
How much is the 28 panel system costing you to buy? to ship? to install?
And what power are you expected to be getting from this system after install? Will you now be "off the grid"?

 

[PICHARDO]

 

[grsher]

anyone interested, here's panels under $1 per watt

Solar Panels, PV Systems and Inverters Distributor

it's in miami, but with shipping it's still close to $1 landed. i just ordered 28.

Did you order other balance of system equipment such as inverters, mounting hardware, etc? I'd be interested to know duty charges, if any, when they arrive. That's a great price for the PV modules.

 

[Taylor]

Did you order other balance of system equipment such as inverters, mounting hardware, etc? I'd be interested to know duty charges, if any, when they arrive. That's a great price for the PV modules.

everything from these guys is top quality and amazing pricing. i'm hoping to ship these including duties for less than $100/panel, but even at $150/panel i'm over the moon at this price. i've been buying panels for more than twice that.

the actual duties is meant to be 16% and the shipping is around that.

the design i have full faith in freddy multiservice, even if you have to 'motivate' him to do it. his knowledge and ability to deal with systems here is amazing. for example, how many of the installers out there bother to put in a lightning surge protector (vial here, or you can kiss your inverter good buy next big storm) -

the install freddy has a team that can do it. again super deal.