Good Lord, don't tell me the Super Keno scam is still around. I thought tourists got wise to this years ago (there's been a warning about it on the State Department's consular information sheet for the DR for years) and they gave it up. When the tourist walks in, they are immediately steered toward this game with an offer for free tokens, etc. to a table roped off from the normal games at the casino. It's rigged and it's impossible to win. It's some stupid game where you add up the numbers that are drawn and when you get up to a certain amount you win the prize or something like that. They draw the first bunch of numbers and added together it looks like you are so close to winning the jackpot, they let you continue betting on credit because you are sure to win, then you lose and strong arm you into paying up.
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I've seen that scam played right here in Atlanta, its not just a DR scam.
My advice is if you don't know what you're doing in a casino don't go into one.
And if you are going to go into a casino for the very first time in your life don't go into the one in a 3rd world country, you will lose.
My advice is if you don't know what you're doing in a casino don't go into one.
And if you are going to go into a casino for the very first time in your life don't go into the one in a 3rd world country, you will lose.
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Thanks for all the responses .The game is called Super Ruleta.Played with 8 balls.When the total adds up to 100 points you win a progressive pot.I am not a gambler by nature.I was lured into the game by a dishonest table operator who miscounted the totals to make it appear it was easy to get points .My total was 99 points.This is an nearly impossible score in a honest game.The odds of gaining a single point is 1 in 20,000.Two other couples also had simular point totals..I was told i could not leave the casino unless i gave them my passport or continued to play.After accumulating $6000 in debt we were exhausted and were driven the next day to a shady office an hour away to withdraw the money in order to get my passport.They then charged our ATM 10% more than the total.I hope this explains more.Yes ,we were suckers.But, we never treat others dishonestly.Please keep the responses going.
Thanks for all the responses .The game is called Super Ruleta.Played with 8 balls.When the total adds up to 100 points you win a progressive pot.I am not a gambler by nature.I was lured into the game by a dishonest table operator who miscounted the totals to make it appear it was easy to get points .My total was 99 points.This is an nearly impossible score in a honest game.The odds of gaining a single point is 1 in 20,000.Two other couples also had simular point totals..I was told i could not leave the casino unless i gave them my passport or continued to play.After accumulating $6000 in debt we were exhausted and were driven the next day to a shady office an hour away to withdraw the money in order to get my passport.They then charged our ATM 10% more than the total.I hope this explains more.Yes ,we were suckers.But, we never treat others dishonestly.Please keep the responses going.
Did the operator look like Frankenstein in a tuxedo and smell like fake White Castle burgers?
Don't feel bad, I counted over a dozen cases related to this on DR1. Here is the first thread, dating back to 2001. Casino scam/ progressive roulette
I've gambled in many casinos in the DR. The only two which I feel are legitimate are American Casino in Playa Dorada and Ocean World Casino. Neither offers progresive table games.
I've gambled in many casinos in the DR. The only two which I feel are legitimate are American Casino in Playa Dorada and Ocean World Casino. Neither offers progresive table games.
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Hermano,
I personally know two people with above average intelligence that got sucked into this vortex of scumbagery , expats that live(d) in Sosua, have a little compassion, it happens.
tio tambo'
PS: Sosua Bay Hotel does not operate the casino.
Tambo, it happened to our daughter & son-in-law at the Hamaca in Boca Chica. Let me tell you, if it happened to them, it can happen to anyone - she grew up around casinos.
When I've seen this kind of scam for "games of skill," it's often free for the first try, then a buck, then double or nothing until you give up. People think they can at least break even so they keep playing. After going double or nothing 10 times, you're down $1000.
A friend of mine got suckered into a game where you have to knock over two dominoes breaking with cueball on a pool table 10 times in a row to win $100. After he lost $127(paying a buck then $2,etc), the guy running the game said only about one person a day won because most people clutched by the 8th or 9th time in a row. It would make a fun "friendly" bar bet. It's a lot easier of course when you're not playing for money.
There's a reason many casinos give out free booze. They get their money back and then some.
A friend of mine got suckered into a game where you have to knock over two dominoes breaking with cueball on a pool table 10 times in a row to win $100. After he lost $127(paying a buck then $2,etc), the guy running the game said only about one person a day won because most people clutched by the 8th or 9th time in a row. It would make a fun "friendly" bar bet. It's a lot easier of course when you're not playing for money.
There's a reason many casinos give out free booze. They get their money back and then some.
Sorry to hear about this, research my post for feb 2011, i had an identical experience.
I lost $10,000, they brought me to my hotel for passport i tried to escape and they found me, and boy was that dangerous. i was a practical hostage until i wired money to the rotten scamsters.
greed got the better of me i will admit but it is so easy to get suckered in. all i wish was that i went to a lawyer when i was there instead of paying up.
remember what doesnt kill you makes you stronger, youll earn it back
Vegas gives you a 97% chance of winning and third world countries give you about the same chance of losing!
There are no regulations so why gamble here....go to vegas and feel like a high roller and play the nickel slots ....at leat the bells wiil ring and you will feel like a Winner , winner enough for a chicken dinner !
There are no regulations so why gamble here....go to vegas and feel like a high roller and play the nickel slots ....at leat the bells wiil ring and you will feel like a Winner , winner enough for a chicken dinner !
Same thing a year later.Thanks for the good philosophy.
Sorry to hear about this, research my post for feb 2011, i had an identical experience.
I lost $10,000, they brought me to my hotel for passport i tried to escape and they found me, and boy was that dangerous. i was a practical hostage until i wired money to the rotten scamsters.
greed got the better of me i will admit but it is so easy to get suckered in. all i wish was that i went to a lawyer when i was there instead of paying up.
remember what doesnt kill you makes you stronger, youll earn it back
You're right, people have a right to spend their money as they please, I'm just jealous.
You're right, people have a right to spend their money as they please, I'm just jealous.
You must mean lose their money as they please!
But if you are looking for Coq fights and chicken heads you can't go wrong !
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I do not mind losing in an honest game.This casino is dishonest ,as stated in the impossible odds that any player could get even one point.Yet many players report getting 90 points quickly.
My 2c:
1) Yes, there is a certain amount of 'buyer beware', naivete, and fear involved in all these stories. AND
2) This game is a scam
Here's a link, although google will turn up many more:
Antigua & Dominican Republic Casino Scam Alert!!
sound familiar?
Here're a few points to consider:
Speaking to a casino supervisor about this issue is a waste of time. You will get nowhere.
Your passport doesn't belong to you, it belongs to your government. You aren't allowed to surrender it as collateral on a debt (or a rental for that matter)
You don't necessarily need your passport to return to your country. Your country likely has an embassy, consular service, or agreement in place with a country that does. If you're getting extorted because they have your passport, call your embassy. they'll get you home
There is a legal process involved in collecting a debt. Thugs threatening you is illegal. Again, call your embassy. And your tour operator.
To say that a casino isn't responsible for the table because it is a subcontract is ludicrous. Of course they're responsible for what happens inside their walls. Otherwise every game and machine would be on a subcontract. And every waiter and barman would be an independent contractor. And the parking lot would be a separate entity.
Also, a casino requires a license to operate. For a license to be legal, it has to be issued to a hotel (there have been exceptions made). This, among other reasons, is so that there is a fixed asset for the government to attach in case the casino gets behind on its payments. For all that you subcontract to a casino, the hotel is very much responsible for what happens there. And the hotel, even if it subcontracts the casino, is still benefiting in the form of rents (or even %) and in many cases is helping collect these debts.
Personally, if I see one of these games in a casino, it tells me everything I need to know about the integrity of the whole joint -- it has none.
And for those that are all about the buyer beware: sure, they may have been suckers to have been suckered. But the people who took them for that money did it dishonestly. If you lose your money in a straight game, I have no patience for you. But if you lose your money in a ponzi scheme, or a keno game, or a rigged deck, that's a different matter. You got screwed, and you got screwed by a douchebag.
That a hotel not only doesn't help you out, but aids and abets in this is well beyond the pale. Were that to happen to me I would definitely log my complaint with the tour operator and look at lodging a complaint against your tour operator either in court or with the appropriate regulatory body back home. Win or lose, the tour operator is not going to want to fight the battle and may very well pressure the hotel to both ditch the game and refund all or part of your money.
1) Yes, there is a certain amount of 'buyer beware', naivete, and fear involved in all these stories. AND
2) This game is a scam
Here's a link, although google will turn up many more:
Antigua & Dominican Republic Casino Scam Alert!!
sound familiar?
Here're a few points to consider:
Speaking to a casino supervisor about this issue is a waste of time. You will get nowhere.
Your passport doesn't belong to you, it belongs to your government. You aren't allowed to surrender it as collateral on a debt (or a rental for that matter)
You don't necessarily need your passport to return to your country. Your country likely has an embassy, consular service, or agreement in place with a country that does. If you're getting extorted because they have your passport, call your embassy. they'll get you home
There is a legal process involved in collecting a debt. Thugs threatening you is illegal. Again, call your embassy. And your tour operator.
To say that a casino isn't responsible for the table because it is a subcontract is ludicrous. Of course they're responsible for what happens inside their walls. Otherwise every game and machine would be on a subcontract. And every waiter and barman would be an independent contractor. And the parking lot would be a separate entity.
Also, a casino requires a license to operate. For a license to be legal, it has to be issued to a hotel (there have been exceptions made). This, among other reasons, is so that there is a fixed asset for the government to attach in case the casino gets behind on its payments. For all that you subcontract to a casino, the hotel is very much responsible for what happens there. And the hotel, even if it subcontracts the casino, is still benefiting in the form of rents (or even %) and in many cases is helping collect these debts.
Personally, if I see one of these games in a casino, it tells me everything I need to know about the integrity of the whole joint -- it has none.
And for those that are all about the buyer beware: sure, they may have been suckers to have been suckered. But the people who took them for that money did it dishonestly. If you lose your money in a straight game, I have no patience for you. But if you lose your money in a ponzi scheme, or a keno game, or a rigged deck, that's a different matter. You got screwed, and you got screwed by a douchebag.
That a hotel not only doesn't help you out, but aids and abets in this is well beyond the pale. Were that to happen to me I would definitely log my complaint with the tour operator and look at lodging a complaint against your tour operator either in court or with the appropriate regulatory body back home. Win or lose, the tour operator is not going to want to fight the battle and may very well pressure the hotel to both ditch the game and refund all or part of your money.