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    Default Sounds like a chaotic banana republic ghetto

    My husband and I are thinking about moving to the DR and settling in the North area (although we don't like heat that much and would prefer the mountains). After reading a number of posts here on DR1, the impression left about living in the country is a pretty horrific one.

    Constant and epidemic theft, from common pick pockets to customs agents to government police.

    Robberies of persons and households common. Pros and cons of gated communities aside, some even recommend carrying weapons.

    People see you as a target and many of them are dishonourable to say the least.

    Government is so corrupt you cannot send anything saving in the DR from abroad without overpaying on tax (with no published rates) or having it stolen outright.

    Drugs out of control in the cities. Haitians pouring into the country to be exploited for cheap labour (like Mexicans in California years ago) and perhaps to contribute to the overwhelming crime problem.

    Can't really trust the police so don't even bother to report crime. Don't pull over for them at night or in rural areas even if they flag you. You could get robbed or shaken down.

    The DR is the second poorest country in the Caribbean. People have said that the massive infiltration of drugs within the last 7 years so so has changed the place dramatically.

    So, my question is, WHY IS ANYONE STILL LIVING THERE? WHY ARE PEOPLE MOVING HERE?

    This is not a rant against the DR, it is not intended to be insulting. I am telling you this is the impression a newcomer once excited about the possibility of retiring to the DR has received, not only from this site but several others as well.

    I am not shrinking violet either, both of us were hippies in California back in the day and have seen our share of life.

    TELL ME WHY WE SHOULD MOVE TO THE DR? What are the wonderful things about life there?

    Thanks - I am looking forward to your replies.

    Rachel

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    Dammit, i didn't know it was that bad here. I getting the hell outta here. bye.
    Thanks for the heads-up.
    AZB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rachel B View Post
    My husband and I are thinking about moving to the DR and settling in the North area (although we don't like heat that much and would prefer the mountains). After reading a number of posts here on DR1, the impression left about living in the country is a pretty horrific one.

    Constant and epidemic theft, from common pick pockets to customs agents to government police.

    Robberies of persons and households common. Pros and cons of gated communities aside, some even recommend carrying weapons.

    People see you as a target and many of them are dishonourable to say the least.

    Government is so corrupt you cannot send anything saving in the DR from abroad without overpaying on tax (with no published rates) or having it stolen outright.

    Drugs out of control in the cities. Haitians pouring into the country to be exploited for cheap labour (like Mexicans in California years ago) and perhaps to contribute to the overwhelming crime problem.

    Can't really trust the police so don't even bother to report crime. Don't pull over for them at night or in rural areas even if they flag you. You could get robbed or shaken down.

    The DR is the second poorest country in the Caribbean. People have said that the massive infiltration of drugs within the last 7 years so so has changed the place dramatically.

    So, my question is, WHY IS ANYONE STILL LIVING THERE? WHY ARE PEOPLE MOVING HERE?

    This is not a rant against the DR, it is not intended to be insulting. I am telling you this is the impression a newcomer once excited about the possibility of retiring to the DR has received, not only from this site but several others as well.

    I am not shrinking violet either, both of us were hippies in California back in the day and have seen our share of life.

    TELL ME WHY WE SHOULD MOVE TO THE DR? What are the wonderful things about life there?

    Thanks - I am looking forward to your replies.

    Rachel
    No way you should move here.
    It's all you said and more.
    The only reason I'm still here is that I can never seem to save up enough money to buy the air ticket back home.
    I'm seriously considering getting onto a yola to Puerto Rico.

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    If DR is just like the way it has been described above, then I guess i am going to haiti in a yola. can't be all that bad there.
    AZB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rachel B View Post
    My husband and I are thinking about moving to the DR and settling in the North area (although we don't like heat that much and would prefer the mountains). After reading a number of posts here on DR1, the impression left about living in the country is a pretty horrific one.

    Constant and epidemic theft, from common pick pockets to customs agents to government police.

    Robberies of persons and households common. Pros and cons of gated communities aside, some even recommend carrying weapons.

    People see you as a target and many of them are dishonourable to say the least.

    Government is so corrupt you cannot send anything saving in the DR from abroad without overpaying on tax (with no published rates) or having it stolen outright.

    Drugs out of control in the cities. Haitians pouring into the country to be exploited for cheap labour (like Mexicans in California years ago) and perhaps to contribute to the overwhelming crime problem.

    Can't really trust the police so don't even bother to report crime. Don't pull over for them at night or in rural areas even if they flag you. You could get robbed or shaken down.

    The DR is the second poorest country in the Caribbean. People have said that the massive infiltration of drugs within the last 7 years so so has changed the place dramatically.

    So, my question is, WHY IS ANYONE STILL LIVING THERE? WHY ARE PEOPLE MOVING HERE?

    This is not a rant against the DR, it is not intended to be insulting. I am telling you this is the impression a newcomer once excited about the possibility of retiring to the DR has received, not only from this site but several others as well.

    I am not shrinking violet either, both of us were hippies in California back in the day and have seen our share of life.

    TELL ME WHY WE SHOULD MOVE TO THE DR? What are the wonderful things about life there?

    Thanks - I am looking forward to your replies.

    Rachel

    Boy, it sounds like the south Bronx!!!, in the good old USA.

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    I think your best bet would be to peruse the forums, especially the "Living" and "North Coast" ones - give yourself a few weeks at least.

    BTW, drugs are not out of control in the cities here as most of the people can't afford to buy them. Rum is the drug of choice here. If you take the time to learn the language, you will learn that the average Dominican is more friendly that his Western counterpart. If you don't learn the language, you will always be seen as an outsider, and thus a monetary target by many of the people here, as there is quite a great deal of misunderstanding and exxageration of the wealth of foreigners. For this reason, many Dominicans die or put their life at risk to go to other countries in search of wealth.

    Corruption is very bad here, but if one is not into illegal activities and running with the wrong crowd(like drugs, money laundering, etc.), one will more than likely not have a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallman1818 View Post
    Boy, it sounds like the south Bronx!!!, in the good old USA.
    Sorry to say that the South Bronx IS NOT what the OP is mentioning.

    The South Bronx has come a long way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZB View Post
    If DR is just like the way it has been described above, then I guess i am going to haiti in a yola. can't be all that bad there.
    AZB
    I hear that you can just walk across the border, so no need for the yola.
    I also hear that Haiti's economy is on the rise, and that there were fewer kidnappings and murders last week.
    Beer is cheap and so are bananas.
    Maybe we could travel together and save on transport......

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    Right .. this is not about the South Bronx OK .. it is about the DR.

    To the OP .. perhaps you should read a little more in depth. There are many areas as described, but many more that are not. I've travelled the length of the DR up and down by myself and never had a problem. The only problem I had once, was of my own doing in choosing the wrong gringo neighbor.

    Yes, petty crime/theft that is rife in all latin american countries is rife in the DR, so, we don't walk about 'dripping jewels'. It is also true and discussed that crime in the DR has changed its nature from the petty crime of opportunity to violent crime. So, one does what what needs to do for protection.

    I'd still rather go for a drive/walk in the DR and feel safer, than in many large cities. Don't be a victim, don't flash cash, don't look like a 'rich gringo', look after your personal security of your home and surroundings and be very sure to make friends with good people only. You are who you associate with.

    By definition you are rich and most of the other people around you are poor. Don't be a tempting little morsel for the tigres to eat .

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    To the OP-stay home or do what the rest of Americas' walking dead when they want to retire-move to Florida.
    Last edited by Berzin; 01-03-2008 at 01:57 PM.

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