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    Quote Originally Posted by cobraboy View Post
    So why are you here?

    Oh, you left out that Panama is MUCH hotter and humid...
    Yes Panama is much hotter and more humid, never had a problem with it tough because thereīs always a breeze.
    The reason Iīm here in the DR is because to take care of my 3,5 year old daughter. We were living in Panama and then my wifeīs mom passed away so my wife had to come to the DR to take care of her kids which her mom was taking care of before. It was almost impossible to bring everybody to Panama and therefore I decided to move to the DR in order to make sure that my daughter would receive the kind of education that Iīm used to and not the DR education.
    So the reason that I moved here was not because I was in love with the DR, never even had visited the DR before. All I knew was that it was a popular vacation destination and that a lot of locals risking their lives leaving the country in yolas in search for a better future.
    Itīs not bad living here in the DR but as mentioned my PERSONAL opinion is that Panama is a lot better.

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    "Have you never considered Costa Rica? Itīs actually the safest and best-developing country in Latin America."

    What are you basing that on? I've been to Costa Rica more than a few times, and I found it to crime-ridden, dirty, and very unsafe.

    In fact, Costa Rica has a higher murder rate per capita than the US, and it is also higher than all other Latin American countries, excluding Columbia, Venezuela, and Mexico.

    NationMaster - Murders (per capita) (most recent) by country

    In my opinion, Panama is quickly following in Costa Rica's footsteps.

    As other posters have noted, the world is much smaller than before, and crime seems to be increasing across the board, but the DR is at least understandable and manageable, at this point in time, and is relatively safe for an expat who is reasonably careful and aware.

    It appears to me that Costa Rica is completely unsafe, and beyond redemption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catcherintherye View Post
    "Have you never considered Costa Rica? Itīs actually the safest and best-developing country in Latin America."

    What are you basing that on? I've been to Costa Rica more than a few times, and I found it to crime-ridden, dirty, and very unsafe.

    In fact, Costa Rica has a higher murder rate per capita than the US, and it is also higher than all other Latin American countries, excluding Columbia, Venezuela, and Mexico.

    NationMaster - Murders (per capita) (most recent) by country


    In my opinion, Panama is quickly following in Costa Rica's footsteps.

    As other posters have noted, the world is much smaller than before, and crime seems to be increasing across the board, but the DR is at least understandable and manageable, at this point in time, and is relatively safe for an expat who is reasonably careful and aware.

    It appears to me that Costa Rica is completely unsafe, and beyond redemption.
    Yes itīs true that Costa Rica is a lot more dangerous than expected, lived there also one year but I do not agree that Panama is quickly following in its footsteps. Reckon that due to the world crisis violence is increasing in Panama but that will be the same as anywhere else in the world.
    In Panama I never saw a guy selling frito carrying a 9mm, here in the DR itīs normal.

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    thanx for all ur replys.. i have never done a forum b-4. But i figure asking other Americans is the way to go. In response to ur comments. We have been to many places on vacation b-4.. d/r in oct just for a day on a cruise. never panama. We can't live at either for 6 mos or so, don't have the $$/. we have to sell our home here and all items to move anywhere. so this move is a "no turning back" move. we know we want to be in a tropical place and we know they r primitive and not like here. Also what do u consider enough $$ to live on? we figure if we pay cash for a home there, we could live off of $1200 a month .. is that reasonabale? we have 2 cats and 2 dogs we have to bring also. since we won't work.. what will we doo all day? we live in Pa. now.. we are foster parents and hubby lays carpet. We are leaving the states as the news is more deapressign everyday and we fear of the worst to come. depression, riots, martial law microchipping us etc. Panam and d.r seem to be the cheapest places to go. we know any of these countries are not perfect, but i woudl rather live there and be comfortable than to lose everything here and be poor.. we would fly to either place for 4-5 days to check it out and find a place to live ( not into renting, plus anmals) Will we find toehr Americans to hook up with so it isn't just him an dI 24/7? Thsi is a big deal for us, that's y I am asking others. Would it be safe for me to go to the mall myself? Have any of you homes been robbed? How are the cops? Are their vets to tkae dogs too? how are the doctors and hospitals, dentisits? we are in good health.. nothing wrong.. i am 46 and hubby is 55.. are groceries cheap? furntiure? cars? everyday stuff?? thanx for any input>>

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    Quote Originally Posted by kittyhawk View Post
    thanx for all ur replys.. i have never done a forum b-4. But i figure asking other Americans is the way to go. In response to ur comments. We have been to many places on vacation b-4.. d/r in oct just for a day on a cruise. never panama. We can't live at either for 6 mos or so, don't have the $$/. we have to sell our home here and all items to move anywhere. so this move is a "no turning back" move. we know we want to be in a tropical place and we know they r primitive and not like here. Also what do u consider enough $$ to live on? we figure if we pay cash for a home there, we could live off of $1200 a month .. is that reasonabale? we have 2 cats and 2 dogs we have to bring also. since we won't work.. what will we doo all day? we live in Pa. now.. we are foster parents and hubby lays carpet. We are leaving the states as the news is more deapressign everyday and we fear of the worst to come. depression, riots, martial law microchipping us etc. Panam and d.r seem to be the cheapest places to go. we know any of these countries are not perfect, but i woudl rather live there and be comfortable than to lose everything here and be poor.. we would fly to either place for 4-5 days to check it out and find a place to live ( not into renting, plus anmals) Will we find toehr Americans to hook up with so it isn't just him an dI 24/7? Thsi is a big deal for us, that's y I am asking others. Would it be safe for me to go to the mall myself? Have any of you homes been robbed? How are the cops? Are their vets to tkae dogs too? how are the doctors and hospitals, dentisits? we are in good health.. nothing wrong.. i am 46 and hubby is 55.. are groceries cheap? furntiure? cars? everyday stuff?? thanx for any input>>
    One thing to bear in mind is that living on an island is always more expensive than living on mainland.
    My experience is that Panama is a lot cheaper than the DR. The basics are about half the price as here in the DR.
    Your dollar will go a lot further in Panama than in the DR thatīs for sure!!!
    Even though in my opinion Panama is safer than the DR you can go to the mall here donīt worry
    Panama is almost first world and the DR is still more third world in my opinion and it will be easier for you there to live of $1200p/m than in the DR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank recktenwald View Post
    Lived in Panama 9 years, here in the DR 2 years. My personal opinion is that Panama is much better than the DR. Infra structure is much better, cost of living is much less, 24/7 electricity, drinkable water, better medical services and a lot safer than the DR with a lot less poverty and less corruption.
    The best thing to do would be to visit both countries and then make up your mind.
    May I ask you why you stayed here?

    Sorry, I didn't see the other posts with the same subject!!

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    What's with this "love it or leave it" BS attitude towards Frank?

    He is the only poster that has been able to give first hand information about living in either country. This is what the OP was looking for.

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    "What's with this "love it or leave it" BS attitude towards Frank?
    He is the only poster that has been able to give first hand information about living in either country. This is what the OP was looking for."


    I agree. Frank has been very forthcoming, and he always responds honestly, often with very useful information and suggestions.

    I don't think that simply asking why a person has decided to stay is necessarily wrong, as sometimes the answers can be very instructive and helpful to anyone trying to make a choice.

    The way Frank answered that question was as considerate and reasonable as any response I have seen.

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    Agreed. Please read the whole thread before jumping in.
    To the OP - in case it makes a difference, please note that you are receiving advice from several nationalities here, not just 'Americans'.
    May I as a mere European who has lived in the DR for 10 years suggest you have a good look in this forum for detailed and up-to-date information on the cost of living, security, pets, etc. It's all there.

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    <<We are leaving the states as the news is more deapressign everyday and we fear of the worst to come. depression, riots, martial law microchipping us etc. >>

    I'm sorry, many would disagree with me, but if you have all those fears, moving to a developing country is not the solution. Depression in the US, means depression here too, but more likely than not, much more pronounced and longer. Losing everything? More likely to happen in developing countries where "democracies" hang from a thread than back home. IMHO

    How's the police? Highly corrupted. Crime, sure there's crime like everywhere, but in some areas, a lot more than you'd like to see. Home robberies? Sure, all the time. We were robbed just a few months after we arrived, despite security on the premises and a guard dog (maybe an inside job, but the police didn't bother investigating). Con artists, everywhere. Medical care, deficient (good doctors, but not very good facilities, and when you find one, it could well be out of your way for a real emergency). Cost of living, it could be higher than some non urban centers in the US (lower if you compare to New York, San Francisco or Los Angeles).

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