A lot of businesses closed in Sosua

[ju10prd]

It would appear Brito is of the view that prostitution is to blame for Sosua's ills and he states in the article below that they are developing a new strategy to tackle it.

http://www.listindiario.com/la-repu...enfrentaran-la-prostitucion-en-la-costa-norte

The Attorney general of the Republic, Francisco Dom?nguez Brito, reported that the public prosecutor's Office along with other authorities face with energy prostitution affecting the North Coast, especially the town of Sosua.

In this context, Dominguez Brito said that in coordination with the ministries of tourism and Interior and police, is designing a new strategy to deal with prostitution in Sosua Dominican and foreign.

The highest representative of the public prosecutor's Office said that several months ago, Sosua entrepreneurs and representatives of social organizations, have been concerned by the boom that has taken the presence of sex workers on the streets of that town, to such an extent that it has degraded the family tourism in the North Coast.

The official said that during his tenure have been closed several businesses in Sosua. However, he acknowledged that the practice is still latent in the streets, despite the efforts that are made.

 

[Meemselle]

Well, all I know about chica-chasing and clearing the streets is that tourism seems to be way down. What with fears of zika and the randomness of ISIS attacks (Baghdad is in Iraq, fer cryin' out loud), I haven't had to elbow my way through packs of ho's for a week, muttering "excuse me, whore."

 

[drstock]

I personally think (and many ex-pats tell me as well) that the only proper way to go about this is to have a a red-light zone and also take everything off the street.

So you have bars, clubs and discos that consenting adult can go to and do whatever they want, but anyone seen loitering, soliciting outside (chicas AND guys) will be prevented. You come and go straight in, get out and away. On the street, not allowed.

I agree, but the stupid people in charge, with no master-plan, CLOSED the places where everything was behind closed doors, such as Passions, CMP and D'Latin bar.

 

[Seamonkey]

I agree, but the stupid people in charge, with no master-plan, CLOSED the places where everything was behind closed doors, such as Passions, CMP and D'Latin bar.

Exactly.....and the latest one in Santiago about one month ago. Makes no sense.

 

[Ecoman1949]

Amsterdam has done the best job of integrating, tourism, sex, and drugs. Their designated red light district is actually part of their tourism trade. The ladies who practise their trade there have medical checkups and are free of the violence associated with pimps. Tourists who want to look and not touch are fascinated with its red light district. Weed is readily available in many cafes and bars and most tourists accept it as part of the character of the city. And here's the kicker. It's all taxed! Maybe a few DR politicans should go on a fact finding trip to Amsterdam to see how well it works and apply the same model to Sosua. Of course, the downside is, the politicans may never come back.

 

[Expat13]

Amsterdam has done the best job of integrating, tourism, sex, and drugs. Their designated red light district is actually part of their tourism trade. The ladies who practise their trade there have medical checkups and are free of the violence associated with pimps. Tourists who want to look and not touch are fascinated with its red light district. Weed is readily available in many cafes and bars and most tourists accept it as part of the character of the city. And here's the kicker. It's all taxed! Maybe a few DR politicans should go on a fact finding trip to Amsterdam to see how well it works and apply the same model to Sosua. Of course, the downside is, the politicans may never come back.

Awesome idea but will it work. Maybe like sending some American football players to Canada with ice skates and hockey stick to try out for the Toronto Maple leafs

 

[NY-DR Commuter]

One should not mention changes without one mentioning what kind of changes.

I'm sorry I can't be more specific or post more frequently.

I work full time here, 7:00am to 7:00pm in my office or on the road, six days a week, and I must be available 24/7. Posting on DR1 does not take precedence over my daily obligations. Like I stated earlier, what I do post here are usually excerpts of what I observe and document elswere. So there are times when I'm out of the Sos?a "loop" and cannot post intelligently, accurately or with specific detail regarding the events taking place. And this has been the case for about the last two weeks, besides being out of the country for a few days I've been forced to endure a week in Santo Domingo. Finally, I'm back here on the north coast.

Regarding specific changes it is almost impossible to say. Right now there are many people involved, each with their own version of what should be done to "clean up" Sos?a. Just look at the article linked by "dv8" above. Not even "el procurador general de la Rep?blica; Francisco Dom?nguez Brito" can be specific other than to say that in the "coming days" they will start to confront Sos?a's "problems". According to him they have a "new offensive", but again, no specifics yet.

Some of the general changes I've already posted earlier. Maybe this will be a little clearer.

Pedro Clisante WILL AGAIN BE CLOSED to vehicular traffic in the evenings. When it will actually be implemented and what days and hours, I don't know. But it will be closed at some point.

There is discussion of regulating the hours of operation of the businesses on PC. Again, nothing has been finalized. Part of the problem is how certain businesses will be categorized. Whether they will be designated as a "bar", "disco" or "restaurant" will determine their opening and closing times.

The discussion of the proverbial "red-light" district is always addressed to some extent but the logistics are rather complicated. Apparently it is still "on the table."

The demolition of the "La Roca" restuarant was supposed to take place several weeks ago according to the head of the "cuerpo de bomberos" with whom I spoke personally. That has been delayed but they have removed some of the second floor beams and cleaned all the debris from the front and side facing the street. Still standing and not much of an improvement.

However, it seemed like it was enough of an improvement for some "photographers" from the U.S. to use it as a backdrop for their shoot of a scantily clad "model". Unfortunately, this drew the attention of too many casual "onlookers" and these "photographers" found themselves being sent to jail in Puerto Plata and having to pay for their release.

This specific event will be, in my opinion, will be the tipping point for Sos?a in general and Pedro Clisante specifically.

As I receive more information I will post some important observations of the changing situation here in Sos?a. Some are my own, but more importantly, most will be from the people who will ultimately be responsible for what actually happens here.

One caveat. The last time I attempted to intelligently present certain facts and address certain specific issues which are taking place here in Sos?a, the thread was abruptly closed. As usually happens with threads concerning Sos?a it degenerates into personal attacks and unfounded accusations by posters with their own agenda who don't have the first damn clue as to what is actually happening here in Sos?a.

BUT KNOW THIS.

Some of the most powerful people in the entire country have now focused on Sos?a collectively and made it a part of their public agenda, including the procurador general, Francisco Dominguez Brito, the head of the Ministerio de Turismo and the head of the Ministerio de Interior y Polic?a, just to name a few. And Sos?a "events" are now appearing in the national media with greater frequency.

You can be damn sure changes are going to be made. Hopefully this thread will remain open to discuss them intelligently.

 

[fifilein]

that it has degraded the family tourism in the North Coast.

Sosua for family tourism? How long ago is that, 20years?

 

[windeguy]

Those would be the ch-ch-changes

maybe these kind of changes?
http://www.puertoplatadigital.com/verNoticia.aspx?Id=22081

"Despite the efforts made, still there is problem, there is a new offensive for us with the Ministries of Tourism and Interior and Police with the hope to provide better results to eradicate prostitution in this important tourism zone , "said Attorney General
Dominguez Brito.

 

[hammerdown]

Awesome idea but will it work. Maybe like sending some American football players to Canada with ice skates and hockey stick to try out for the Toronto Maple leafs

Be careful, they would probably make the team.........

 

[windeguy]

NY-DR-Commuter, thank you very much for the detailed response. Certainly you have no need to apologize for not answering any of us, least of all me, when we desire to know that is going on. But we are thankful for our insights when you can post. I was one of the musicians who enjoyed playing in Sosua during those street closures. Perhaps one day I will enjoy that again. Time will tell.

 

[ramesses]

Big money goes a long way. It has nothing to do with families.

 

[windeguy]

Big money goes a long way. It has nothing to do with families.

So where is the big money coming from?

 

[Lobo Tropical]

A witch hunt is easier I guess.

maybe these kind of changes?
http://www.puertoplatadigital.com/verNoticia.aspx?Id=22081

Oh,
I thought it was potable tap water, 24/7 electricity for everyone without a generator, decent sidewalks, lighting, a hospital, ambulances and competent policing.

 

[Lobo Tropical]

I'm sorry I can't be more specific or post more frequently.


Regarding specific changes it is almost impossible to say. Right now there are many people involved, each with their own version of what should be done to "clean up" Sos?a. Just look at the article linked by "dv8" above. Not even "el procurador general de la Rep?blica; Francisco Dom?nguez Brito" can be specific other than to say that in the "coming days" they will start to confront Sos?a's "problems". According to him they have a "new offensive", but again, no specifics yet.


You can be damn sure changes are going to be made. Hopefully this thread will remain open to discuss them intelligently.

I don't believe that various parts of government do have a comprehensive plan.
Different players participate to further their own interests.
To anyone who knows Sosua within the period of the last 20 years one thing is clear.
Actions taken by various levels of DR gov. have reduced tourism and business in Sosua significantly.
Infrastructure and buildings in many of the areas are crumbling. Yes there is also some new construction. In my view this has not significantly improved Sosua.
If government is serious about tourism, work on the items I previously commented about.

 

[Seamonkey]

I'm sorry I can't be more specific or post more frequently.

I work full time here, 7:00am to 7:00pm in my office or on the road, six days a week, and I must be available 24/7. Posting on DR1 does not take precedence over my daily obligations. Like I stated earlier, what I do post here are usually excerpts of what I observe and document elswere. So there are times when I'm out of the Sos?a "loop" and cannot post intelligently, accurately or with specific detail regarding the events taking place. And this has been the case for about the last two weeks, besides being out of the country for a few days I've been forced to endure a week in Santo Domingo. Finally, I'm back here on the north coast.

Regarding specific changes it is almost impossible to say. Right now there are many people involved, each with their own version of what should be done to "clean up" Sos?a. Just look at the article linked by "dv8" above. Not even "el procurador general de la Rep?blica; Francisco Dom?nguez Brito" can be specific other than to say that in the "coming days" they will start to confront Sos?a's "problems". According to him they have a "new offensive", but again, no specifics yet.

Some of the general changes I've already posted earlier. Maybe this will be a little clearer.

Pedro Clisante WILL AGAIN BE CLOSED to vehicular traffic in the evenings. When it will actually be implemented and what days and hours, I don't know. But it will be closed at some point.

There is discussion of regulating the hours of operation of the businesses on PC. Again, nothing has been finalized. Part of the problem is how certain businesses will be categorized. Whether they will be designated as a "bar", "disco" or "restaurant" will determine their opening and closing times.

The discussion of the proverbial "red-light" district is always addressed to some extent but the logistics are rather complicated. Apparently it is still "on the table."

The demolition of the "La Roca" restuarant was supposed to take place several weeks ago according to the head of the "cuerpo de bomberos" with whom I spoke personally. That has been delayed but they have removed some of the second floor beams and cleaned all the debris from the front and side facing the street. Still standing and not much of an improvement.

However, it seemed like it was enough of an improvement for some "photographers" from the U.S. to use it as a backdrop for their shoot of a scantily clad "model". Unfortunately, this drew the attention of too many casual "onlookers" and these "photographers" found themselves being sent to jail in Puerto Plata and having to pay for their release.

This specific event will be, in my opinion, will be the tipping point for Sos?a in general and Pedro Clisante specifically.

As I receive more information I will post some important observations of the changing situation here in Sos?a. Some are my own, but more importantly, most will be from the people who will ultimately be responsible for what actually happens here.

One caveat. The last time I attempted to intelligently present certain facts and address certain specific issues which are taking place here in Sos?a, the thread was abruptly closed. As usually happens with threads concerning Sos?a it degenerates into personal attacks and unfounded accusations by posters with their own agenda who don't have the first damn clue as to what is actually happening here in Sos?a.

BUT KNOW THIS.

Some of the most powerful people in the entire country have now focused on Sos?a collectively and made it a part of their public agenda, including the procurador general, Francisco Dominguez Brito, the head of the Ministerio de Turismo and the head of the Ministerio de Interior y Polic?a, just to name a few. And Sos?a "events" are now appearing in the national media with greater frequency.

You can be damn sure changes are going to be made. Hopefully this thread will remain open to discuss them intelligently.

All your information is vague and meaningless. I can also tell you that there will be a WW3, but I don't know when but it will happen at some point....just like the street closing again and cleaning up the putas.

I was a huge advocate of having the street closed and when it reopened I was told that once all the sidewalks were redone and the street decorated to Palm Beach standards, that the street would reopen. However, it goes deeper than that with the politicians wanting it open. 7 of them voted to reopen the street after having 30 people sign a petition.

Everything you are reporting has happened in the past with no real impact on Sosua. It's a cycle. Major Neuman did the same thing when she was elected the first time around. She is a "yes" person and does not stand up to her superiors in Santo Domingo.

So please don't try to impress anybody by implying that you have inside information.

 

[ju10prd]

All your information is vague and meaningless. I can also tell you that there will be a WW3, but I don't know when but it will happen at some point....just like the street closing again and cleaning up the putas.

I was a huge advocate of having the street closed and when it reopened I was told that once all the sidewalks were redone and the street decorated to Palm Beach standards, that the street would reopen. However, it goes deeper than that with the politicians wanting it open. 7 of them voted to reopen the street after having 30 people sign a petition.

Everything you are reporting has happened in the past with no real impact on Sosua. It's a cycle. Major Neuman did the same thing when she was elected the first time around. She is a "yes" person and does not stand up to her superiors in Santo Domingo.

So please don't try to impress anybody by implying that you have inside information.

The attached article adds a wee bit more to what was written in the other press releases posted earlier reporting Brito's statements and adds more weight to what NY-DR- Commuter wrote.

http://diariodigital.com.do/2016/07/04/autoridades-enfrentaran-prostitucion-en-sosua/

One thing he did not say that was reported in the article was:

Asimismo, agreg? que en los ?ltimos meses se han realizado cancelaciones de residencias y deportaciones de extranjeros involucrados en el tema de prostituci?n y trata de personas.


That said Brito said something like this about the red light districts in Santo Domingo and his determination to penalize punters as well as pimps. The fact that he is linking prostitution to drugs and delinquency is perhaps more the concern that actions may be firmer this time.

 

[Lobo Tropical]

Shame

The attached article adds a wee bit more to what was written in the other press releases posted earlier reporting Brito's statements and adds more weight to what NY-DR- Commuter wrote.

http://diariodigital.com.do/2016/07/04/autoridades-enfrentaran-prostitucion-en-sosua/

One thing he did not say that was reported in the article was:

Asimismo, agreg? que en los ?ltimos meses se han realizado cancelaciones de residencias y deportaciones de extranjeros involucrados en el tema de prostituci?n y trata de personas.


That said Brito said something like this about the red light districts in Santo Domingo and his determination to penalize punters as well as pimps. The fact that he is linking prostitution to drugs and delinquency is perhaps more the concern that actions may be firmer this time.

Brito's statements and stand on prostitution is well documented.
Abuse of the lest fortunate and most defenceless.
What should be a major concern is post #180, action needed by the procurador.
What is to attract major family tourism to Sosua?
For anyone on a North American 2 week vacation schedule, the AI's in Punta Cana provide everything.
For Dominicans on the N. Coast, Sabaneta, La Cienaga, La Union, Monte Llano, Puerto Plata there are very few employment and income options. Many live at subsistence levels, with the most basic education or next to none.
Government enforcement for school attendance is non existent.
If you are serious about improvements other actions are needed, rather than preying on the weakest.

 

[ramesses]

So where is the big money coming from?

The ultimate goal is to condo Sosua beach.....

 

[ju10prd]

Brito's statements and stand on prostitution is well documented.
Abuse of the lest fortunate and most defenceless.
What should be a major concern is post #180, action needed by the procurador.
What is to attract major family tourism to Sosua?
For anyone on a North American 2 week vacation schedule, the AI's in Punta Cana provide everything.
For Dominicans on the N. Coast, Sabaneta, La Cienaga, La Union, Monte Llano, Puerto Plata there are very few employment and income options. Many live at subsistence levels, with the most basic education or next to none.
Government enforcement for school attendance is non existent.
If you are serious about improvements other actions are needed, rather than preying on the weakest.

You need to re-read post #187 and the various press releases which have been posted to make you aware of what may well be afoot this time from central government.