A lot of businesses closed in Sosua

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Here's my personal problem with the new closing hours. I go out maybe once a week here. When I do, it's usually to watch a sporting event on a big screen in one of the bars. (And to people watch during the commercials).

Last Thursday night I wanted to watch the Jets-Bills game (NFL-American football). Game started at 8:30pm. In the 4th quarter, with a few minutes left in a close game, the bar closed because it was midnight. So I missed the ending (the Jets won 37-31).
It will be even worse for the games that start at 9pm.

So tonight, for Monday Night Football, I'll just stay home and watch it on my 32" flat screen (brought here in a suitcase - but hey, that's a whole nother thread!).

As I posted in an earlier reply . . .

I couldn't agree more, the earlier closing hours accomplish nothing except lost revenue for some businesses and increased revenue for the casino.

And an inconvenience for residents and tourists alike.
 

Cdn_Gringo

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Cdn_Gringo, you should tell us what you really think about Sosua.

Sosua is what Sosua is. To different people it may be perceived to be different from their perspective than mine. There is nothing in town for me most of the time. I do not do the night life very often, maybe once every couple of months. I am quite content to sit in mi casa and pickle my liver next to my pool that is not filled with rabble-rousers. This way I do not have to contend with the possibility of losing my beer when I go to the bathroom, losing my wallet at anytime, trip over an uneven sidewalk and require stitches.

I maintain a small group of social acquaintances (aka friends) who have demonstrated a minimal level of humanity over time and I ignore the rest. Sosua as a cultural interest, is not for me. The majority of restaurants don't compel me to visit very often and beer in the end is cheaper by the case than by the bottle at a bar. I live on an island but an not an island unto myself so sometimes, need I to socialize and converse face to face.

I am not the least bit interested in the local wildlife. Their attentions are sometimes flattering if I don't over analyse the encounter but for the most part are just an interruption to whatever conversation I am engaged in at the time. It is not super easy to live in Sosua in part due to the lack of goods and services which I need from time to time, but is certainly better than say Gaspar Hernandez (not a poke at Harley) or Rio San Juan. Some may prefer those places and thrive there. I'm not sure I would.

In Sosua I can find accommodation of a size and quality that I prefer for what I am prepared to spend. I am close to the airport and thus far have not had to pay far too much for far too little car. I can make Sosua work as it is today and assume that I can make it work in the future if it stays the same or transforms. I may have to adapt and I am prepared to do so as long I can maintain my lifestyle in relative comfort and with a reasonably degree of security. The latter is in large part dependent on the choices I make. In Sosua these choices are rarely in conflict with my priorities, wants and wishes.

Most of my stresses are a country wide phenomenon and not unique to Sosua. In the end, Sosua meets my needs. I am sure many other places could too. Up to now, I haven't been forced to look for those other places. I remain flexible and ever conscience of the fact that I may not be able to control much in my environment, but I can control which environment I place myself in.
 

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You can come to Cabarete where the Puerto Plata Tourism head has a restaurant on the beach. In Cabarete, the closing time is well past midnight and you can watch sports in Cabarete. Cabarete is just 10-15 minutes away.
 

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It's a good start for any crowd living in Sos?a. This thread is about businesses closing in Sos?a and now the most substantial investment in the local economy in many years is underway and it appears the majority of dr1 members are quite critical of the venture.

I wouldn't say "critical". Most of us here on DR1 are just questioning if this is a business model that will work. I think every one wishes them luck - I know I do.
 

windeguy

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When one travels around the country it's difficult not to notice how much is unfinished,dismantled or broken.

I fear Sosua will fall into this 'not-quite done' category long before the spare parts arrive......

I walked by the Esplanade and nothing is happening at the moment..Status Quo.

(But someone has been cleaning up and repairing the old Rancho Tipico.Anyone got news on that?)

As you pointed out, the "not quite done style" is evident everywhere in this country and has everything to do with the style of the people who are unable to follow through for whatever reason. Sosua and Cabarete have had that not quite done feel since I moved here in 2003.
 

windeguy

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I wouldn't say "critical". Most of us here on DR1 are just questioning if this is a business model that will work. I think every one wishes them luck - I know I do.

I would also not use the word critical. In my case it is more like questioning the sanity of building a resort for adventurous and athletic people in that particular location. I also wish them the success.
 
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.....or is it just a renovation?

Was out for my daily morning walk. A truck was parked on the (unfinished) sidewalk in front of the Winners Circle bar. The crew inside appeared to be gutting the place (ripping out the floor, etc.)

Anyone know what's going on there?

I would find that hard to believe its a reno, as you know Timo, it was renovated about 3/4 of a year ago.
 
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Critical or Questioning . . . Just Semantics . . .

I wouldn't say "critical". Most of us here on DR1 are just questioning if this is a business model that will work. I think every one wishes them luck - I know I do.
I would also not use the word critical. In my case it is more like questioning the sanity of building a resort for adventurous and athletic people in that particular location. I also wish them the success.

CRITICAL??? . . . QUESTIONING???

It's only Sosua.
Their success is not assured. There is plenty of risk in that location.
An extremely quiet, out of the way area....very far from the beach.

Maybe gonna be an old folk's home.. That'll fit in well with the new Sosua.

Hotel La Esplanada to Sosua Beach.....

That would be a 20 min walk during the heat of the day, or a really scary 20+ min walk at night.

Don't forget all the broken sidewalks and Derelict bars along the way (all maintained by, or closed by, someone you know)

And yes, overweight couch potato tourists find walking more than 350 steps on uneven sidewalks in the sun an intensely objectionable experience to be avoided at all costs. Motos are usually too small for these folks so a taxi stand outside would be helpful. Know your customers...

If I were on vacation, it would be too far. imo

Yes that is quite a FAR WALK, especially if there are other Hotel Options, with a VIEW of the Ocean perhaps.

They are putting in the free public monrail soon.very soon....

For a resort like Hotel La Esplanada to be a successful, it must have several things going for it.

A nice Beach, Ocean View
-never gon'na happen -without a Beach... Families ain't comin' (unless there ultra-budget minded)

A group of "serious investors" ? . . .

. . .But sure if you want to ruin the small town flavor that made Sosua and bring in a bunch of boring wide-butt elites to control the town, it will become so boring that the tourists will be gone forever.

Come on, Every All Inclusive KNOWS this Simple Formula, you MUST be on the beach.

But in either case you can not get top $$ for a Hotel which is not a comfortable walking distance to the Beach.
Its not even in any realm of possibility. Even the Ocean View Hotels are Struggling .
SO i dont know what "serious investors" he is talking about . . .
. . . I would have Zero interest in staying in such a Hotel, unless the rates are really really good.

The original hotel failed, they need something more than just opening a hotel in the far reaches of Sosua.

Nope, I like to see Sosua reinvent itself but it appears to me that it is being bought....not developed.

Plenty of other options ON the Beach, in this Beach Community, and other places, and most of those are never Full.

So , what exactly are these investors in Sosua working on ? A Budget Hotel far away from the Beach ?...

oh, I know.. People who are into Fitness and like to WALK, a LOT, on their Vacation.. that should work.

Exactly.....
Its a Demographic that has not been invented yet...
Out of shape and Elderly Retired Beach Goers, on a budget who want to be far enough away from town so as not to be tempted by Hookers, who are fit enough to walk 15 mins to the beach everyday, and yet have money burning holes in their pockets just in case they see some nice girls while they are with their Families .

It's all Haitians working on the construction. About 20 of them. Didn't see one Dominican....only the motoconchos sitting out front.

Hahahaha.....his team consists of 5 people. His manager who doesn't even speak Spanish had never been in the DR before, he's been here now for less than 3 months. This investor guy has been here for almost two years and has never closed one deal yet. . . . This got really funny all of a sudden.

So far what I hear about the Esplanade project is that it will work the wrong way and be a black eye on Sosua. The place has a poor location for a hotel if that is what they are trying to open. I don't hear that any of them have hotel experience. Building and real estate experience does not equate to hotel experience. . . . but these guys got in way over their head.

Heard a different take on the La Esplanada investment today from a person of credibility. Won't repeat hearsay. But have a few concerns.

Sorry, no. To each story there are two sides. I have heard both. . . .

. . . Let's wait and see whether the new owner can follow through on all you say. . . .

. . . Building is not easy here in this country. Managing a project such as this is a true challenge.

I choose to give the guy a chance to transform the project. But for now, I will not promote it, nor repeat what I heard.

I guess it's a matter of semantics, I'm still going with critical, despite the "wish them well" sentiments which I'm sure are sincere.
 

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CRITICAL??? . . . QUESTIONING???
I guess it's a matter of semantics, I'm still going with critical, despite the "wish them well" sentiments which I'm sure are sincere.

I suppose I was being facetious with questioning the sanity of such a venture not being critical.

OK, it was critical. I do wish them well.
 
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I suppose I was being facetious with questioning the sanity of such a venture not being critical.

OK, it was critical. I do wish them well.

Believe me, I was also questioning (critical?) in my original assessment of the project and expressed those sentiments in no uncertain terms to the owner. My "knee-jerk" reaction was naturally skeptical. However, after getting to know the owner, his abilities (including resources and contacts) and how he is very successfully running his current businesses here in Sos?a and elsewhere, I am very optimistic.

Even though I initially questioned certain aspects of the proposed plan, I certainly wasn't critical in the condescending sense that so many here seem to be, obviously excluding you and several others.

Regardless if the project fails miserably or is an overwhelming success, it will probably be more beneficial to Sos?a than just leaving those nine plus buildings sitting there rotting. Only time will tell. And yes, I too, wish them much success!
 

DRob

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An interesting conversation.

For the Powers That Be, Sosua must be both an exciting and utterly frustrating conundrum. "Exciting" because there are a few businesses that do well based on the status quo. That's an awful lot of Presidentes being consumed by the Weekend Warriors, after all.

"Frustrated" because so long as the short term model (which has been in place for decades, mind you) remains, there's no chance to go for the higher end consumer.

I imagine they sometimes look down the road at Playa Grande, which has an inferior beach and a tiny, could-be-anywhere town, where they see Aman cleaning up and mansion-fortresses constantly rented out. Then they look the other way towards Puerto Plata, and see the latest cruise ship docking at "Amber Cove"/Maimon and ask themselves, "what are we doing wrong?"

After all, Sosua has wonderful beaches in a beautiful bay, all of which is protected by a reef. It features bluffs and greenery everywhere. And it's surrounded by an actual town, not just business fronts for overpriced trinkets and t-shirts.

With the proper demolition and investment, it really could be something special. Not St. Barts, but not the Mongering Capital of the Caribbean, either. Problem is, how do you convince someone who is making 100 bucks today that he could make 1000 in two years, if they're willing to sacrifice and take out some reno loans?

It doesn't work in the US (where long term investing increasingly means "no more than two calendar quarters," would be surprised if it picked up in Sosua.

There's a big difference between knowing something needs to get done, and having the financial and political will and wherewithall to get it done.
 

windeguy

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DRob, you left out the incredible number of people visiting Punta Cana in your analysis of what Sosua has been doing wrong.
 

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An interesting conversation.

For the Powers That Be, Sosua must be both an exciting and utterly frustrating conundrum. "Exciting" because there are a few businesses that do well based on the status quo. That's an awful lot of Presidentes being consumed by the Weekend Warriors, after all.

"Frustrated" because so long as the short term model (which has been in place for decades, mind you) remains, there's no chance to go for the higher end consumer.

I imagine they sometimes look down the road at Playa Grande, which has an inferior beach and a tiny, could-be-anywhere town, where they see Aman cleaning up and mansion-fortresses constantly rented out. Then they look the other way towards Puerto Plata, and see the latest cruise ship docking at "Amber Cove"/Maimon and ask themselves, "what are we doing wrong?"

After all, Sosua has wonderful beaches in a beautiful bay, all of which is protected by a reef. It features bluffs and greenery everywhere. And it's surrounded by an actual town, not just business fronts for overpriced trinkets and t-shirts.

With the proper demolition and investment, it really could be something special.

All you have to do is get rid of Sosua and you could have your string of AI's and high end hotels. And become just like everywhere else. But to do that you have to buy out the existing businesses and small landowners, or drive them into the ground.
 
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DRob

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All you have to do is get rid of Sosua and you could have your string of AI's and high end hotels. And become just like everywhere else. But to do that you have to buy out the existing businesses and small landowners, or drive them into the ground.

Como se dice "gentrification?"

Ah, "gentrificacion," gracias....
 

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.....or is it just a renovation?

Was out for my daily morning walk. A truck was parked on the (unfinished) sidewalk in front of the Winners Circle bar. The crew inside appeared to be gutting the place (ripping out the floor, etc.)

Anyone know what's going on there?

New sucker.....mmmm I mean owner.

On a separate note, the Sushi place (Yakasomething) next to New York pizza is now closed due to the decline of Sosua. Also for sale or rent is the Lazy Dog location on the corner. Rumour on the street is Rumba will be knocked down and land will be sold.
 

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New sucker.....mmmm I mean owner.

On a separate note, the Sushi place (Yakasomething) next to New York pizza is now closed due to the decline of Sosua. Also for sale or rent is the Lazy Dog location on the corner. Rumour on the street is Rumba will be knocked down and land will be sold.


Yamazato - Sushi lovers will have to head to their place in Cabarete in Ocean Dream Plaza. Likewise with people who want to go to the Lazy Dog which is on Cabarete Beach.


Gentrification as the result of urban renewal - Gentrificaci?n como resultado de la renovaci?n urbana
 
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