a small hotel..?

truppa

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Hi to everybody..!
I am newbe. I am Italian and I apologize for my English.
I would like to live in the Dominican Republic and I am appraising the possibility to purchase a small hotel. I would appreciate to receive suggestions. I know the coast south, but I would not exclude to move me to the north coast .
Thanks..!

truppa
 

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Contact Mara at Hotel Flor di Loto in Juan Dolio......

It's in the south and she knows of a few places that are for sale.
# 809-526-1146.
She also is Italian so language will not be a barrier! ;)
 

las olas

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How about Samana?

There is a great little hotel for sale in Samana. You may call me and I will get you the information - 809-465-6924/809-538-2434.

Samana is worth considering - it is about to explode with new possibilities and an increasing tourist influx.
 

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truppa said:
Hi to everybody..!
I am newbe. I am Italian and I apologize for my English.
I would like to live in the Dominican Republic and I am appraising the possibility to purchase a small hotel. I would appreciate to receive suggestions. I know the coast south, but I would not exclude to move me to the north coast .
Thanks..!

truppa


Hi Truppa,

For Hotels for sale on the north coast (Samana Peninsula) contact info@quisqueyaconsulting.com or Tel: (809) 981 08 88
Hotels in Las Terrenas, Las Galeras, Samana and Punta Bonita.
They speak Italiano!

Good luck to you

WebDev
 

MarkusL1

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Why more for sale in the north?

Why are there more Hotels for sale in the north? Isn't it usually a bad sign if there are many Hotels for sale? Who knows about nice little Hotels for sale in Boca chica and Juan Dolio?


Markus :)
 

Jimmydr

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MarkusL1 said:
Why are there more Hotels for sale in the north? Isn't it usually a bad sign if there are many Hotels for sale? Who knows about nice little Hotels for sale in Boca chica and Juan Dolio?


Markus :)


Most are crap. I saw at least 3 **** holes for sale.
 

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Small Hotel in Boca Chica

There is a nice little hotel in Boca Chica for sale called Hotel Battagliera. I have stayed there my last four trips and it is very nice, though it is not very close to the beach. The people who own it are also Italian and I believe it is being sold due to health reasons. There is information about it at BocaChicaBeach.net under the "Small Hotels" section and also under the "Real Estate" section. I hope to be staying there again January 19-24 if US Air doesn't go out of business before that. Good luck .
 

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I would definitely look into hotels on the North Coast.

In the early 2000's, when 911 and all that happened, most of the smaller hotels went out of business. Now that tourism is booming again, those who survived are doing extremely well. Cabarete is booming with construction, and the hotels in Sosua are full as well. There is a lot of huge construction going on in Cofresi, but they hardly qualify as 'small', nor do the hotels in Playa Dorada.

I would look into some of the smaller hotels in Sosua and Cabarete which may or may not be listed for sale. Villa Taina is a nice property, as is El Magnifico. In Sosua, your only real option is Sosua by the Sea at 91 rooms, which has been around forever and seems to be doing well. Google any of these names and you should get the webpage.

Definitely stay away from closed or closing properties which you can get at a 'distressed' price. They're distressed for a reason.

Good luck!
 

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joecanada said:
I would definitely look into hotels on the North Coast.

In the early 2000's, when 911 and all that happened, most of the smaller hotels went out of business. Now that tourism is booming again, those who survived are doing extremely well. Cabarete is booming with construction, and the hotels in Sosua are full as well. There is a lot of huge construction going on in Cofresi, but they hardly qualify as 'small', nor do the hotels in Playa Dorada.

I would look into some of the smaller hotels in Sosua and Cabarete which may or may not be listed for sale. Villa Taina is a nice property, as is El Magnifico. In Sosua, your only real option is Sosua by the Sea at 91 rooms, which has been around forever and seems to be doing well. Google any of these names and you should get the webpage.

Definitely stay away from closed or closing properties which you can get at a 'distressed' price. They're distressed for a reason.

Good luck!
I disagree with staying away from "Distressed" properties. These would be your best buys. One mans trash is another mans treasure.

I am not sure that this person is interested in spending the money needed to purchase Sosua by the Sea but I could be wrong.

Regards,
Scott
 

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Stay away from distressed properties?

joecanada said:
I would definitely look into hotels on the North Coast.

In the early 2000's, when 911 and all that happened, most of the smaller hotels went out of business. Now that tourism is booming again, those who survived are doing extremely well. Cabarete is booming with construction, and the hotels in Sosua are full as well. There is a lot of huge construction going on in Cofresi, but they hardly qualify as 'small', nor do the hotels in Playa Dorada.

I would look into some of the smaller hotels in Sosua and Cabarete which may or may not be listed for sale. Villa Taina is a nice property, as is El Magnifico. In Sosua, your only real option is Sosua by the Sea at 91 rooms, which has been around forever and seems to be doing well. Google any of these names and you should get the webpage.

Definitely stay away from closed or closing properties which you can get at a 'distressed' price. They're distressed for a reason.

Good luck!


Sir,

I own and manage real estate in New York and the Dominican Republic. I have made a fortune on buying "DISTRESSED" property. Surely you must be joking when you are telling people on a public forum (where others can view it) to stay away from "DISTRESSED" property. They are "DISTRESSED" properties for a reason is true but that has absolutely nothing to do with why an investor should "stay away" from them. Of course an inspection should be made and an investigation conducted. Many properties or businesses are "DISTRESSED" because they were mismanaged, lack of capital or partnerships failed. Naturally, leg work should be done before an offer should be made. However, advising readers to stay away from a "DISTRESSED" property is completely inaccurate and misleading information. I understand your point regarding these properties, however others do not. You must be more specific as to what you mean by "DISTRESSED".

S. Woods
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joecanada

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I'll explain...

Wow! Bit of clarification called for.

There is a lot of money to be made from 'distressed properties' in most real estate markets, no doubt about it. Many people have made their fortunes buying older properties, refurbishing them, and flipping them.

That being said, the question was from someone looking to buy a small hotel. In this particular case, that of a small hotel being purchased by a foreigner with limited experience of the North Coast, a 'distressed' property can be a nightmare.

Note that by 'distressed' I mean closed for some time.

If you are a large hotel chain, like Marriot for example, and have the resources to completely overhaul and renovate a property as well as the marketing connections and experience, combined with the experience of how differently (not to say better or worse) things work in the Dominican Republic, then buying a distressed property might very well be for you.

But many if not all of the closed hotels in the area have been closed for years and have started (or more than started) to deteriorate. Also, the tour operators (and more importantly the travel agents) already have an image, justified or not, of the distressed hotel which will be difficult to overcome. The time, resources and expertise needed to overcome that image is beyond most people looking for a 'small hotel'. Add to that the fact that many (although certainly not all) closed properties are potential legal nightmares wtih outstanding bills, legal issues etc just waiting to be taken up again once some money starts flowing in.

So one buys a distressed (closed) resort and saves some money. Assume you get lucky and there are no outstanding legal time bombs. Add on a lot more money to bring it up to spec and a modest amount to market it. Then go find trustworthy people to fill your key positions. Find suppliers and negotiate prices with them not knowing what suppliers are better than others nor what things should cost. Assume your key personel are honest and won't be taking cuts from the suppliers and can help somewhat. Assume as well that your trustworthy key staff can steer you clear of the people, government and other, coming by with their hands out to fleece the newbie. With any luck you can find tour operators to contract with you (although tour operators now are preferring the much larger resorts). So you're not making any coin for the first minimum 6 months while you renovate, then 8-12 months from when you show a finished product for contracting. Add that loss of revenue to the price. Now go and compete as a newcomer with the established players. After 5 years, assuming you manage to keep your head above water (which keep in mind the previous owners couldn't), how much have you saved?

The other option: Pay a bit more for an established business. Established staff. Established reputation which is easily checked out at any travel agent or tour operator head office. Established suppliers. Make whatever profits you're going to make from day one, instead of 1-2 years off. See what you're getting from day one. Enjoy an establised place in the marketplace and profit from the mistakes that have gone before you instead of learning at great cost from your own mistakes.

The recuperation of distressed properties is a paradigm that works well in a marketplace where buying/selling is more a factor of price than opportunity. In NY, for example, if you want to move a property, just price it somewhat below market value and someone will snap it up quickly -- there are enough buyers for that. In the DR, especially in the hotel market, selling a property is not as easy. Unless the price is ridiculously low, a buyer can be either easy or extremely difficult to find, depending on a lot of factors, luck included.

So, in short, the money saved in buying a distressed property can prove extremely expensive in the long run. A newcomer to a new business environment would be well advised to pay the premium for an established business.

Again, if you're a shrewd hotelier with construction/renovation experience and an understanding of how things work in latin-america, the initial savings might compensate the risk and you might come out ahead in the long run. But I would hope that you save quite a bit on the price.

My apologies if I've offended any sensibilities by not being clearer in my initial post.

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Edit: If you can find someone who has a successful business but for whatever reason wants out of the DR, there's your deal right there. There are many reasonably successful expats in the DR who would love to move on to other places and other things, but can't because their business keeps them in the DR. There you have the best of both worlds -- a motivated seller with an undervalued product instead of a motivated seller with a cheap product.
 
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joecanada said:
Wow! Bit of clarification called for.

There is a lot of money to be made from 'distressed properties' in most real estate markets, no doubt about it. Many people have made their fortunes buying older properties, refurbishing them, and flipping them.

That being said, the question was from someone looking to buy a small hotel. In this particular case, that of a small hotel being purchased by a foreigner with limited experience of the North Coast, a 'distressed' property can be a nightmare.

Note that by 'distressed' I mean closed for some time.

If you are a large hotel chain, like Marriot for example, and have the resources to completely overhaul and renovate a property as well as the marketing connections and experience, combined with the experience of how differently (not to say better or worse) things work in the Dominican Republic, then buying a distressed property might very well be for you.

But many if not all of the closed hotels in the area have been closed for years and have started (or more than started) to deteriorate. Also, the tour operators (and more importantly the travel agents) already have an image, justified or not, of the distressed hotel which will be difficult to overcome. The time, resources and expertise needed to overcome that image is beyond most people looking for a 'small hotel'. Add to that the fact that many (although certainly not all) closed properties are potential legal nightmares wtih outstanding bills, legal issues etc just waiting to be taken up again once some money starts flowing in.

So one buys a distressed (closed) resort and saves some money. Assume you get lucky and there are no outstanding legal time bombs. Add on a lot more money to bring it up to spec and a modest amount to market it. Then go find trustworthy people to fill your key positions. Find suppliers and negotiate prices with them not knowing what suppliers are better than others nor what things should cost. Assume your key personel are honest and won't be taking cuts from the suppliers and can help somewhat. Assume as well that your trustworthy key staff can steer you clear of the people, government and other, coming by with their hands out to fleece the newbie. With any luck you can find tour operators to contract with you (although tour operators now are preferring the much larger resorts). So you're not making any coin for the first minimum 6 months while you renovate, then 8-12 months from when you show a finished product for contracting. Add that loss of revenue to the price. Now go and compete as a newcomer with the established players. After 5 years, assuming you manage to keep your head above water (which keep in mind the previous owners couldn't), how much have you saved?

The other option: Pay a bit more for an established business. Established staff. Established reputation which is easily checked out at any travel agent or tour operator head office. Established suppliers. Make whatever profits you're going to make from day one, instead of 1-2 years off. See what you're getting from day one. Enjoy an establised place in the marketplace and profit from the mistakes that have gone before you instead of learning at great cost from your own mistakes.

The recuperation of distressed properties is a paradigm that works well in a marketplace where buying/selling is more a factor of price than opportunity. In NY, for example, if you want to move a property, just price it somewhat below market value and someone will snap it up quickly -- there are enough buyers for that. In the DR, especially in the hotel market, selling a property is not as easy. Unless the price is ridiculously low, a buyer can be either easy or extremely difficult to find, depending on a lot of factors, luck included.

So, in short, the money saved in buying a distressed property can prove extremely expensive in the long run. A newcomer to a new business environment would be well advised to pay the premium for an established business.

Again, if you're a shrewd hotelier with construction/renovation experience and an understanding of how things work in latin-america, the initial savings might compensate the risk and you might come out ahead in the long run. But I would hope that you save quite a bit on the price.

My apologies if I've offended any sensibilities by not being clearer in my initial post.

****
Edit: If you can find someone who has a successful business but for whatever reason wants out of the DR, there's your deal right there. There are many reasonably successful expats in the DR who would love to move on to other places and other things, but can't because their business keeps them in the DR. There you have the best of both worlds -- a motivated seller with an undervalued product instead of a motivated seller with a cheap product.



Now that is clearing it up nicely! As I mentioned in my first reply, I understood your point but I am sure many others did not. Way to go and thanks!
 

truppa

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The next month I'll be in the Dominican Republic.
I wanna thank all the participants for the suggestions and for the interesting discussions.