Anyone ever live in a 'bateye'?

Norma Rosa

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jrf
One of our linguist specialist, the very dear Norma Rose grew up in a Batey. PM her, I am sure she is a wealth of information.

I am here, Hijo de Algo, I mean, Hidalgo. I don't know about the "linguist specialist" but many thanks for the "very dear" part.

Yes, I grew up in a batey.
In fact, I spent my childhood going from batey to batey: Angelina, Crist?bal Col?n, Caei - all of them owned by the Viccini-Cabral Group. Every time I go to the DR, I visit Angelina. Oh the memories!

Batey = zafra y tiempo muerto
 

jrf

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Hiya Norma Rosa,

zafra y tiempo muerto? ...... and dead time?

What was it like? What did you learn?

Having many Haitian people that I know (one or two are actually friends - at least what I call a friend) live in a Batey I feel safe during the day but have to admit the concern of being robbed comes to mind-either while I am away or at night.

Any suggestions? Is it worth the experience?

For those that think even venturing into a Batey is crazy you are really missing out. Of course there is the lack of amenities but the people, for me any way, are very special.
 

jaguarbob

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Anyone on this board ever lived in a bateye or a comparable poor area?

I've been the AI route, the apartment route, hotel route and am really curious what it would be like to live within the poorer of those in the North.

Crazy idea I am sure but am wondering if anyone else has experienced it.

I have a dominican house right now*(but am building a block house next door)
in a very poor town,el limon,and have lived there on and off for 5 years...it is a very uplifting experience to see how the truly poor people survive and live,and remain the most happy people you will ever encounter...and regardless of what others may post here,I never have had a problem,noone asks for anything from me,and they treat me as they do all there family.
and to think in the 21 century,people live with no running water,no bathrooms,and very little elec,and very little money....the average wage most make if working the hotels in LT is 6000 pesos a month.they are great great people.I love them to death....
what a country
bob
 

Hillbilly

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To JRF, Norma Rosa and A. Hidalgo:

Bateyes vary tremendously, as Norma Rosa knows well. A private sugar mill such as Angelina or Crist?bal Col?n (owned by the Vicini clan) or Central Romana are much different that those owned by the government (whether or not leased out to "private interest") such as Monte LLano, Barahona, San Pedro, Consuelo, Quisqueya, Amistad etc.

The bateyes that you pass going through the sugar cane fields towards Punta Cana are not peopled by listless, beaten down people. There are schools, sports fields, a community like atmosphere.

The ones owned by the government mills are as close to hell as you can get on this earth.

Working with Haitians in Sos?a is not comparable to living in a batey. Talk to the Peace Corps in Santo Domingo (Ave Bolivar) and see which bateyes they are working in.
You can expect some of the most unhealthy conditions imaginable. I do not envy you.

Regarding "tiempo muerto" mentioned above, this is the season of poverty in the extreme. Between harvests or zafras. In fact, in some previous years, cane workers have set fires to the fields so that the mill owners are FORCED to harvest the cane in order not to lose all that sugar. If you read anything about Cuba (and there are some good books that treat both the DR and Cuba on this subject) you will see just how much the "tiempo muerto" played in the success of the Cuban Revolution..

IMO, if the Central Romana owned all of the nation's sugar mills, things would be a lot better for tens of thousands of people....they know how to do things, at least it looks that way...I know that the Fanjul family is not all that popular in Florida/

HB
 

M.A.R.

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Chip that's a funny looking pic. But that's exactly how a campo house is set up, my parents house was just like that until 1998 when we built the cement thingy house, which I don't like but that's how most houses are made.

It sounds like the campo is heaven compare to the bateyes.
 
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I dont know how to classify homes and areas, and if people say a bayte is worse than a barrio, then I believe them..but the worst looking living conditions that I see are the areas that get wiped out by heavy rains and hurricanes.

there are a few rivers in santiago and going over them if you look over the gaurd rail down onto the sides of the river bed you see the worst places to live...that I have seen.

I have seen it up close in moca, there is a river you go over and not 10 feet below is the ramshackle tin -cardboard wood-plastic housing with just enough room bewtween the
buildings" to walk by!!!!!

that has to be the worst ......

even the hatians out in cibao vallet that squat where ever they can in tobaccon fields or yuka fields...have better living conditions in their thached roof makeshift house.

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what would you call an area like this one along the river in Sosua?

if not a bayete, then what...and what describes a bateye most...poor housing for farm workers??

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We went hunting once for ducks in Nagua and drove past old makeshift housing , one which has a date from 1942 on the outside above the door!!!! as we went past the roads around the rice fields there....poor but livable no running water probably.....but dry!..

here is a photo of thatb old wooden house in Nagua with the date over the door:

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bob
 
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In 2002 I went from Santiago with a friend of a friend of a friend to his mother's house out in Palo Verde to see Anthony Santos in concert. The house looked similar to the one in Chip's picture. Getting off the guagua on the road to Monte Cristi it felt like I had entered the Wild West. It was dusty and a whole cast of characters was gathered around the colmado. A dog that would have been better off dead was lying in the street. I swear that I saw tumbleweed blow by.

We then got on family member's motorcycles and headed back to the family's house. We had a little chicken/rice and a lot of tostones and fried cheese. Every house we visited we got our fill of fried cheese and tostones. Later in the evening it started to rain and all the dust became mud. Despite the poverty the whole town seemed to be at the concert.

The roads became almost impassable on the way home but we somehow made it to the family house around 4AM. I am not even sure of where I slept because my friend passed out in the one available bed and was instantly snoring loudly and could not be woken up.

In a few hours everyone was up and we started visting friends/relatives on the motorcycles again. We eventually made it to what felt like the end of the world - the beach in Monte Cristi. There were only about 2 families on the entire beach.

I love stories like this...
 

Norma Rosa

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To JRF, Norma Rosa and A. Hidalgo:

Bateyes vary tremendously, as Norma Rosa knows well. A private sugar mill such as Angelina or Crist?bal Col?n (owned by the Vicini clan) or Central Romana are much different that those owned by the government (whether or not leased out to "private interest") such as Monte LLano, Barahona, San Pedro, Consuelo, Quisqueya, Amistad etc.

The bateyes that you pass going through the sugar cane fields towards Punta Cana are not peopled by listless, beaten down people. There are schools, sports fields, a community like atmosphere.

The ones owned by the government mills are as close to hell as you can get on this earth.

Working with Haitians in Sos?a is not comparable to living in a batey. Talk to the Peace Corps in Santo Domingo (Ave Bolivar) and see which bateyes they are working in.
You can expect some of the most unhealthy conditions imaginable. I do not envy you.

Regarding "tiempo muerto" mentioned above, this is the season of poverty in the extreme. Between harvests or zafras. In fact, in some previous years, cane workers have set fires to the fields so that the mill owners are FORCED to harvest the cane in order not to lose all that sugar. If you read anything about Cuba (and there are some good books that treat both the DR and Cuba on this subject) you will see just how much the "tiempo muerto" played in the success of the Cuban Revolution..

IMO, if the Central Romana owned all of the nation's sugar mills, things would be a lot better for tens of thousands of people....they know how to do things, at least it looks that way...I know that the Fanjul family is not all that popular in Florida/

HB

You are so right. I will be talking, when I have more time (I am at work) about my experiences in the batey, that microcosm of people and traditions.
I wrote (for a master program) several short stories; Zafra y tiempo muerto is the title I gave to this anthology.
 

jrf

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Can't wait Norma Rosa.

(I guess I should clarify that I wouldn't want to live necessarily in a Batey - but within the poorer areas ie. like the campo photos. The real batey as Hillbilly describes it and of which I have never seen or experienced would just be too much for me).
 

NALs

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what would you call an area like this one along the river in Sosua?

if not a bayete, then what...and what describes a bateye most...poor housing for farm workers??

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bob
This has been explained already, a Batey is a collection of huts/shacks/barracks in sugarcane plantations where sugarcane workers live. Hence, if a village that looks like a batey exist, but is not in a sugarcane field; then its not a batey. Batey's are owned either by the government or sugarcane companies. Most villages outside of sugarcane country are owned by the individuals that own their respective home(s).

What is seen in the picture above is simply a barrio marginado or simply a barrio, which translates to a marginalized neighborhood or I guess, I could say Ghetto too. In such neighborhoods, which tend to occupy banks of rivers and other marginalized areas, the poorest tend to live right along the riverbank while those who live along the road are better off, in terms of the quality of their homes relative to the worst off.

Keep in mind that just because a house has zinc roof (when oxydated creates that corrugated look) doesn't automatically makes it a shack or a poor house. While you will not find a single upper class primary residence with a full zinc roof; many, if not, most lower middle class homes DO HAVE ZINC ROOFS. In fact, lower middle class homes tend to line the streets that pass through and go near the edge of marginalized neighborhoods.

Often times, the difference between an poor house and a lower middle class house has little to do with the actual house, and more to do with the maintenance of such and the type of furniture that can be seen in the home. Many homes that many foreigners think of as being poor, are not truly poor.

This is especially true with lower middle-class neighborhoods where most buildings are not painted, but are made of cinder block, have zinc roof, and the homes are filled with modern furniture such as sofas, dining table, a kitchen or kitchenette with stove, refrigerator, a television set, etc.

The truly poor only have some of that stuff, more often than not lack such.

-NALs
 
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Hillbilly

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Note to laurapasinifan...SM 7-42

That means that in July of 1942 the house was sprayed with DDT by the Servicio de Mosquitos. This was a government plan to reduce malaria, yellow fever and other airborne diseases that used the mosquito as a vector.

Believe it or not i have lived in houses that were literally drenched in 75% DDT, I mean dripping from the ceilings, walls drapes, everything with a fine film of white dust. AND the instructions were NOT to wash it for 24 hours!!

God only knows how much DDT I have in my fat cells (lots of fat = lots of DDT i suppose??)

Anyway the following morning there tons of dead bugs and dying ones around the house...

A year or so later (1965 or so) the program was abandoned (I think that there was some awareness of the lethality and damage that all that DDT was doing, but i do not know for sure....Imagine, all of Mao's drainage went into the Yaque!!....
And this servicio de mosquitos worked the whole country...easily identified by the yellow Willy Jeepsters they used ....

HB
 

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New tourism idea--taken...

That seems like another brand new business idea (after AZB's Hookerants)... Barrio experience tourism for spoiled kids from "developed" countries.

... J-D.

Sorry to bust your bubble but the volunteer-tourism groups have already taken your idea. We volunteers at the orphanages COUNT on people wanting to 'escape' their comfortable, overprivileged lives of electricity, water, paved road, phones, etc. to come and work for FREE in the heat, humidity, bug infested PARADISE. We have groups of professionals through blue collar workers that spend their precious vacation time and come from Canada, the US and all over Europe. Some stay a week, others a month, others 6 months and some a year. My 17 year old son lived at the NPH orphanage this summer as a camp counsellor, theatre and sports TA. I slog through the sucking mud in a make-shift clinic that rarely has running water or electric. And yet, not A day that I'm there has passed when I think my time could have been better used elsewhere!:bunny::bunny::bunny:
 
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Note to laurapasinifan...SM 7-42

That means that in July of 1942 the house was sprayed with DDT by the Servicio de Mosquitos. This was a government plan to reduce malaria, yellow fever and other airborne diseases that used the mosquito as a vector.


HB

well that place is pretty old anyway!!!.........and it has held up with the same paint and no damage to those walls 65 years!!!!!!

bad bob
 

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Note to laurapasinifan...SM 7-42

That means that in July of 1942 the house was sprayed with DDT by the Servicio de Mosquitos. This was a government plan to reduce malaria, yellow fever and other airborne diseases that used the mosquito as a vector.

And nowadays some of the NGO's are crying to be able to use DDT - even after the whole 'big scare'. I can identify with HB's story. For us, DDT was the 'miracle substance'. It was going to make everyone's life better.

HB, I'll wager the DDT in my fat cells against the DDT in your fat cells any day! :p
 

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For those of you interested in following up on information and documentary work regarding the bateys, may I direct you to my new website, The Dominican Batey, which I set up to house the results of my own documentary work as well as the work of other people connected with the bateys. It is a collaborative work, but much of the contributions are yet to come in. I am still working on it, but there is enough there for everyone to get started. I wanted to clear up a lot of the misinformation about bateys as well as provide a research tool for those who wish to do more investigation. Also I wanted to get away from crude notions of victimhood and present the bateys in a fuller, more human, and humanistic light. So there is lots of information about the culture of the bateys and there will be more. Juan Rodriguez, Director of the Museo del Hombre Dominicano, will be weighing in on Gag?; I have sociologists, anthropologists and other social scientists weighing in on things like family structures of emigrant workers and so on; Sita Fredericks, the choreographer, will be submitting an article about dance; --- well the list goes on and on. There are many pages still under construction -- please be patient, I am dealing with lots of material and it takes time. Meanwhile have a look and enjoy it.

The URL is the Dominican batey
 

margaret

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Nice work!

For those of you interested in following up on information and documentary work regarding the bateys, may I direct you to my new website, The Dominican Batey, which I set up to house the results of my own documentary work as well as the work of other people connected with the bateys. It is a collaborative work, but much of the contributions are yet to come in. I am still working on it, but there is enough there for everyone to get started. I wanted to clear up a lot of the misinformation about bateys as well as provide a research tool for those who wish to do more investigation. Also I wanted to get away from crude notions of victimhood and present the bateys in a fuller, more human, and humanistic light. So there is lots of information about the culture of the bateys and there will be more. Juan Rodriguez, Director of the Museo del Hombre Dominicano, will be weighing in on Gag?; I have sociologists, anthropologists and other social scientists weighing in on things like family structures of emigrant workers and so on; Sita Fredericks, the choreographer, will be submitting an article about dance; --- well the list goes on and on. There are many pages still under construction -- please be patient, I am dealing with lots of material and it takes time. Meanwhile have a look and enjoy it.

The URL is the Dominican batey

Nice collaborative project, very interesting and informative.
 

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IMO, if the Central Romana owned all of the nation's sugar mills, things would be a lot better for tens of thousands of people....they know how to do things, at least it looks that way...I know that the Fanjul family is not all that popular in Florida/

HB

Totally agree w/you.