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Jaime

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Re: a little perspective WITH BIG CONSEQUENCES

ECH, MD

Please stay on that "soap box". The information that you are providing all of us is invaluable. If only one life is saved or one case of disease is prevented, because of your advise, you have done all of us a wonderful service.

I also must repeat that I contacted my physician and he did not hesitate to provide medication to help prevent the nasty and potentially fatal diseases that we could contract when we visit any foreign country. Thank God someone has the sense to monitor the world in order to provide for our safety.
 
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mina

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Re: a little perspective WITH BIG CONSEQUENCES

Thank you again ECH M.D. for your intervention here!

Here I am worried sick that myself and my three year old little boy have contracted this awful malaria and so I have tried to forewarn others about this horrible possibility.

And yet people have the nerve to come and say to me "Ah don't worry about it, I have been going to the DR for years and never even came back with a cold!". Or other say that I am making people panick for nothing".

How can people be so STUPID!!!! ??????

I indeed would be the stupid one to listen to such rotten advice.

Thank you ECH M.D., for being there to share your expertise with us. Please keep it coming!

mina
 
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ECH, M.D.

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Re: SOAP BOX CONTINUES!

Nobody is dispensing legal or medical advice any more than are they dispensing legal or medical advice when they inform their friends that the drinking age is 21 (No, you are not advising anything, just making a statement of fact) or advise someone with a headache to take two aspirin. And what kind of ADVICE is this? And as an aside, one does not recommend treatment for a headache unless they know the etiology of the headache. I mean, aspirin will do nothing for a person with hypertension. I would want to know their blood pressure before I advised anything. What you have are seasoned travelers giving their opinion and quoting published sources. I quote from the CDC page and don't even give a personal opinion.

?I believe there is little need to take medicine on the remote chance you might become infected with something that is easily treated within 48 hours.? Quoted as per your post. You are giving a personal opinion and MEDICAL ADVICE. Just a selection of CDC statements that highlights the level of caution of the CDC warnings. I hardly think a tourist visiting a resort has any intention of avoiding drinks with ice, not going barefoot, wearing long sleeves from dusk to dawn, or wearing a life-jacket for a swim in the ocean, dangerous as it might be. This is probably true, however it is THEIR CHOICE and should be their decision AFTER being properly informed of the risks and consequences. To make a choice, one must know the risks and benefits involved. One can not make an ?informed decision? when information is with held or lacking. We all know the CDC has reasons for their recommendations. I would like to think it is for the public health and welfare. I am not aware of a hidden agenda. Statements like, "MALARIA: There is NO cure for malaria. ". That statement standing alone lacks balance and is borderline sensationalism, true as it may be. Sorry, I am not an English Major. I am not sure I understand ?balanced statements.? Does that mean instead of notifying an audience the building is on fire and evacuate immediately! I should instead say, the building is on fire and we should evacuate but the fire department has be notified and we have a functioning sprinkler system. Does that give more balance?

There is no cure for the potentially fatal "common cold" or "the flu" either. In the USA, I suspect a lot more people die from those two than from Malaria. Your analogy is somewhat flawed in that Malaria is endemic in the tropics and the USA is not considered in the tropics. Malaria remains one of the most prevalent infections in the world with over 200,000,000 cases! This is probably equivalent to the adult population of the USA. Add that to the end of your NO CURE statement and it adds a bit of balance, and I don't mean to belittle that fact that Malaria is more serious than the common cold. I for one don't know what the mortality rate is for Malaria, when treated or when not treated. Vivax, malariae, ovale all are ?self limiting? and remiss in about 60 days. However, P. falciparum has a mortality rate of 20%. Why don't you explain what a "chemoprophylaxis" is. Chemoprophylaxis is the use of chemicals (drugs/medications) to treat and/or prevent disease. Tetanus toxoid for example is a chemoprophylaxis against tetanus disease. When you say there is no cure for Malaria, do you mean you have Malaria forever, with symptoms that come back again and again, forever? A cure for malaria is elusive. However, one may go for decades without have a relapse then again, you may go for only several months. I use the analogy of cancer?we do not speak of cancer cures, rather we speak in terms of survival rates. Five year survival, ten year survival, etc. This is why we are cautious to use the word cure, even with very modern medications that seem to be able to prevent recurrences for extended periods of time. Still, blood banks do not want a person infected with malaria to be a donor regardless of when the attack was. If you get it and 10 years from now, if a mosquito bites you and then bites your friend, your friend will get it too, forever? NO, It takes several days for the protozoa parasite in the mosquito to maturate and go thru the sexual cycle (asexual cycle in humans) and it is highly unlikely that this particular mosquito will return to ?bite? your friend. And you use the ten year time frame, there are no chronic ?carrier states? I think you are scaring some of us, including me. It is the unknown that is scary; knowledge and understanding a situation relieves the frightening aspects. If I may use the analogy of AIDS. Before we understood the etiology of AIDS, it was scary. Now that we understand what it is, how it is transmitted, the pathophysiology, we have learned not to fear it but to respect it and avoid it. When it comes to health, ignorance is NOT bliss. I spend a lot of time in the DR and I don't want to have continuously be on some anti-malaria regimen, nor do I want catch some awful disease that never goes away ever and hope I don't catch it based on a mosquito bite. I live in the DR full time and have done so for eight years and love it. Continuous antimalarial regimen has NOT been recommended by the CDC. It has only been recommended to those visitors in affected areas. I am sure with proper mosquito control abatement that prophylaxis will no longer be necessary in these areas either. How easily IS it treated? Chloroquine medication is the treatment of choice presently (however, this does not attack the gametocyte stage in Plasmodium vivax and P. ovale which is necessary to prevent relapses. Primaquine phosphate is the medication of choice for this stage and may be given at the same time as Chloroquine. This is why it is so important to identify the species of Plasmodium one is dealing with in order to adequately treat it. After all, DR1 says their medical experts reported "In the very unlikely case you fall ill with malaria, the adequate dose of Chloroquine will release the sickness in 24-72 hours..." Is this not true? A resounding NO is the answer to this question and if you want first hand knowledge and report?contact a message board regular who has recently been diagnosed with the malady?.TOM. This is one of the things I object to, giving the impression you simply ?pop a pill? and all is going to be OK! After reading <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Resort/5403/MalariaFAQ1.htm">http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Resort/5403/MalariaFAQ1.htm</A>, it doesn't seem very hard to diagnose or treat, in most cases. Diagnosis of any disease can be extremely difficult?the reason: no patient presents as a classic text book example. There is always little nuances and ?red herrings? that confuse and complicate the picture. That is why medicine is an ART rather than a science. If it were a science, anyone could ?cook book? it and arrive at the diagnosis. And, once the diagnosis is made, it is easy to look up the treatment. And, it is not complicated in malaria because there is only ONE recommended treatment. Not a lot of choices to make. If your doctor does not THINK of the possible diagnosis, he is not going to make the diagnosis. If you do not tell him you have been to an area endemic with malaria, he will never think of it sitting in his office in Iowa City, Iowa! I also read that one should not take the prevention medicine long term because it is toxic. I don?t know what you mean by long term. It is recommended to take it two weeks before arrival to the area and for 8 weeks after departure and all during your stay. Most vacations are 2 to 3 weeks and so I don?t consider that a prolonged time. Primaquine can cause hemolytic anemia in black races due to a metabolic deficiency of G6PD (Glucose 6-phosphate dehydrogenase). Chloroquine is extremely well tolerated and minimal toxicity, the main complaints are desquamation and itching. In the event of allergy to Chloroquine the old stand by of quinine is used but it can produce cinchonism (tinnitus/temporary deafness) and drug fever. So what is your recommendation for frequent visitors? I consider the CDC the world experts in the field of public health and disease control and advise and follow their recommendations in general cases.. I would advise frequent visitors and world travelers to become familiar with CDC recommendations for the area you plan to visit and then to discuss these recommendations with YOUR PRIVATE PHYSICIAN and working in concert with him, decide on a course of action that is BEST for you. ECH, M.D.
 
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Jim Hinsch

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Re: Treatment for Malaria

From what I've read, it DOES seem to be simply taking a pill, albeit, more than 1 over several days, and more pills in the unlikely case that it relapses. That, plus some tests. That's just MY interpretation after having read the info. Please give us the layman's version of how easily is it treated?

Jim Hinsch JimHinsch@CSI.COM
 
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ECH, M.D.

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Re: Treatment for Malaria

I AM NOT A LAYMAN BUT HAPPEN TO BE A PROFESSIONAL PHYSICIAN WITH 35 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN MY FIELD. I was implying that it sometimes is not a simple case of popping pills to "cure" the condition. There are occasions, and not infrequently, when there is an inability to take Chloroquine due to a host of problems, not the least of which may be an allergy to the medication. Sometimes, one has to resort to I.V. medication as an alternative. Also, complications with liver, anemia and central nervous system (seizure disorder & coma) and gastro intestinal system can further create management difficulties. I was trying to alert those that are interested, it may not be simply oral medication if you have a case with complications. When you have over 200 million cases of malaria, complication rates are not insignificant. Simple uncomplicated malaria requires oral medication and supportative therapy as indicated. THIS IS NOT A LAY OPINION BUT A PROFESSIONAL OPINION ECH, M.D.
 
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mina

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WARNING! p. Falciparum ALERT!

I just found out that the cases of Malaria originating in Bavaro Beach were all p.Falciparum! and that p.Falciparum is principally what is found in DR.

I got this information from WHO (World Health Organization).

This is bad because p. Falciparum is the form of malaria which if not treated right away can lead to death. It is the most dangerous and strongest form of Malaria!

Can you tell us more ECH M.D.?

mina
 
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ECH, M.D.

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Re: WARNING! p. Falciparum ALERT!

I would like to have more information from CDC and/or WHO and will try to reach my contacts there. One thing I am informed that P. falciparum in the Dominican Republic is usually NOT resistant to Cholorquine and therefore it remains the mainstay of treatment. Thank goodness because there is less side effects with chloroquine than some of the alternatives.
 
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mina

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Thanks Again ECH M.D.!!!!!!

Thanks again ECH M.D.!!!!

The fact that the DR's p.Falciparum is not resistant to the Cholorquine drug is indeed good news!

Please keep us posted on any new findings you acquire from your contacts at WHO and CDC!

kindest regards,

Mina
 
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Marilyn

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Re: Treatment for Malaria

I am going to be in the DR on Feb 4th and because of the posts regarding malaria, I contacted my doctor's office to inquire about receiving preventive medicine. I received a voice mail message from her secretary telling me I don't need to take any medical precautions for travel to the DR. I am staying in Bayahibe and from what I have read on the message board, it would be in my best interest to take preventive medicine. I have also read the warning on the CDC web site. I know this is probably a stupid question and I am almost afraid to ask, but should I be concerned? Because I feel as though I should be concerned.
 
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mina

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EXCELLENT MALARIA NEWS UPDATE

I have absolutely fantastic news!!!

so far my family and I have had three malaria tests since our return from Bayahibe DR. We just got the last one back from the lab and it is also negative.

ALL THREE TESTS CAME BACK NEGATIVE!!!

We are still not out of the woods quite yet because our doctor wants to keep us under close scrutiny until 30 days have elapsed since our first "exposure" to DR mosquitoes. But things are looking decidedly more POSITIVE for us.

HURRAY!

Please anyone going to the ALtagracia Province : don't go without taking all the precautions you can!!!!

Mina
 
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ECH, M.D.

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Re: Treatment for Malaria

Most general physcians are usually not up to date on travel recommendations. I would ask when your physician was last updated on travel information and if they don't know, check with your local health department or you can contact the CDC yourself for information. Lets see what transpires and the CDC recommends by next week and if there is an up date and change in recommendations.
 
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Tiina

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Re: Wish you could see my bites!

For Jim, as you wanted to have more precise information on mosquitoes here is our recent experience: We spent one week on Cofresi, Hacienda Resorts, between the 6th and 13th of January this year. The mosquitos were especially a disturbance in our room at nights even though we used an insect-spray on all over our skin! During one week each of us got some 30-200 bites each, depending on the person and his/her bloods "appealing" to these insects. The tropical rain showers must be the reason (it rained each day and night several times for about 15 minutes), so I recommend to all to take with you sprays or lotions against mosquitos. In Cofresi they do not have it in all places (especially the kind of stuff that can be apply to skin and not to the air) and if they have, a bottle will cost you aprox. 15 US dollars.
 
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Roberto

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http://anon.free.anonymizer.com/Re: Wish you could

You lie. There are not mosquitoes like you say in Punta Cana
 
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Deb

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Mosquitoes in Punta Cana ???

I am retuning to Bravaro Beach Resort again this April. We have been the past two years at that time and have never seen a bug of any kind. Should we be concered this year? Are the mosquitoes usually gone or under control by April?
 
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Tiina

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Re: http://anon.free.anonymizer.com/Re: Wish you c

If you, Roberto, really ment your message to me, you should learn to read. I have not mentioned a word about Punta Cana (as I have never been there). The place I referred to, and clearly stated it in my mail, is COFRESI (Hotel Hacienda Resorts) some 6 km to west from Puero Plata.