Buying an established bar

flchewie

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After several days of immersing myself in DR1 (and other) forums I have decided to post one regarding my possible plan of moving to the DR from Miami. I have read many threads and have a grasp, be it ever so small, of some of the hardships I will be facing.

Although I have lived in the out-islands of the Bahamas prior to this I have not yet visited the DR. I will be there at the end of November and staying with some old friends for a few weeks. I don?t speak Spanish as of now. The friends that I have will no longer be in the area after the first of the year, so when I do relocate I will be very much alone. All very negative I understand.

Now for what I feel may be somewhat the positives of my relocation. I have a chance to purchase an established, working and mildly profitable bar on the North Coast. The purchase price will include the bar, all equipment, all existing stock, and even has a 2 BR apt included upstairs for my use. This deal includes a small car, and 1-2 months of transitional management. It is small enough for one or 2 persons to run, and I do have US bartending/management experience, although not yet as an owner. Buying any type of bar or resturant is much too expensive here in Miami (a liquor license alone is over $100K US). The total cost of this bar will put only a slight dent in my savings, I will still have well over $50-75K in US banks, not including my untouchable retirement fund.

I am 43yrs old, completely tired of the US, its politics, and the extreme stress of the day to day rat race here, never having even the time to enjoy the bunch of meaningless crap I have been working to buy. I am looking to enjoy a more laid back, relaxed way of live and can willingly forgo having 24hrs of guaranteed electricity, although hot water might be missed a bit.

Now everyone can tell me how completely insane I am for thinking about this move, and tell me in no uncertain terms to stay put. I will listen to everyone?s advice, comments, and suggestions ? I have not committed any money to this venture as of yet, but the possibilities seem better than what most expats bring to the DR.
 

Tamborista

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I would work there, even for FREE for the high season and see what the place really generates before giving them a Peso.

There is a reason why someone sells a business.
Does it include the land with a clean title?
 

carina

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Hi there.

Howmars question is more than valid.

Another would be location.

My advice would be, come here, stay for at least 6 months before buying anything..a business, land, a house, an apartment or whatever...
Everything is for sale here, so you are really not missing out of anything, instead you are winning. As by time you learn the areas, the reputation of certain areas, the market..

Go easy pal.
 

A.J.

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You may want to look into the bar - through some people. Have them do some snooping for you. The owners can say the bar is great and somewhat profitable, but you never know exactly how they are running it for it to be profitable - i.e. paying taxes, if they have any under the table deals.
 

carina

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I think by publishing the area and/or name here would give the OP as well alots of help.
 

flchewie

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The land is not included, the bar is currently under a 5 year lease with 3 yrs remaining and written agreement for extendtion. I will be having my US attorney who is currently in the area corrispond w/local attnys to verify the lease and terms. My friends have been in the location for 5-6 months and go there quite often, so they have verified the buisness. I do not expect to make a "big score" or get rich from this, rather use it as an entrance to the country.
 

HOWMAR

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Let's play the devil's advocate. Assuming it will cost you $50,000 for this project. By the time you get done with the lawyers, brokers, etc., who knows. Instead take the $50,000 and invest it as pesos in Central Bank certificates. At today's rate it will generate about RD$ 35,000 per month. You work in a bar for another RD$ 10-15,000 per month. With RD$ 50,000 a month income you can live here quite well with no headaches.
 

flchewie

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HOWMAR said:
Let's play the devil's advocate. Assuming it will cost you $50,000 for this project. By the time you get done with the lawyers, brokers, etc., who knows. Instead take the $50,000 and invest it as pesos in Central Bank certificates. At today's rate it will generate about RD$ 35,000 per month. You work in a bar for another RD$ 10-15,000 per month. With RD$ 50,000 a month income you can live here quite well with no headaches.


The total purchase price is half what you have quoted, including a car worth maybe RD$ 150,000. (Plus all the seller's houshold goods, as they are returning to europe for an extended time of traveling)
 

HOWMAR

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flchewie said:
The total purchase price is half what you have quoted, including a car worth maybe RD$ 150,000. (Plus all the seller's houshold goods, as they are returning to europe for an extended time of traveling)
And have you added little items such as:
Legal fees for closing
Legal fees for incorporation
Deposit on Rent (usually 2 months) (usually seller wants a credit at closing for his deposit)
Deposit to Electric company
Deposit to phone company
Deposit to Beer company for coolers
Accountant fee to set up your books and file your taxes.
etc., etc..
Even with a purchase price on only $25,000, I bet you will end up shelling out $50,000 total before opening day.

Again. I'm only playing the devil's advocate. If you can, with a clear mind, take this investment and be prepared to lose it all within 6 months, in exchange for a caribbean adventure, to some that may be priceless.
 

flchewie

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HOWMAR said:
Again. I'm only playing the devil's advocate. If you can, with a clear mind, take this investment and be prepared to lose it all within 6 months, in exchange for a caribbean adventure, to some that may be priceless.

I have enough cash that loosing $50K wouldn't kill me but I dont plan on that happening. I am a very hard worker, and even though I want to find a slower lifestyle I would not abandon my work ethic - its not my nature. I have looked in several areas within the US for this type of business and it is completely impossible here. I understand that by simply investing $100K in the central bank I will get a livable return, but this is not what I am seeking. The fact that the lease includes an apartment is very appealing.
 

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If I was you, and considering the overhead... I would set up in the same joint with the bar, a sports betting parlor plus a money exchange service...
 

Camden Tom

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Take a flier...

...life is meant to be lived. You're not talking about betting your whole life savings. Even if the deal doesn't turn out like you hoped for, your investment won't go to "0". If you don't like it, sell it. You'll probably take a loss but, you will have had a memorable adventure. And, who knows, it might work out. BTW, absolutely make sure that you have your own compatent lawyer. Good luck.
 

flchewie

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Mirador said:
If I was you, and considering the overhead... I would set up in the same joint with the bar, a sports betting parlor plus a money exchange service...

The overhead is quite reasonable, rent is RD$ 15,000 monthly, elec is 2100 +- & has an inverter system. As for gamb & money exch. I know nothing about either of these so there is NO WAY I would get involved in them.
 

flchewie

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Camden Tom said:
...life is meant to be lived. You're not talking about betting your whole life savings. Even if the deal doesn't turn out like you hoped for, your investment won't go to "0". If you don't like it, sell it. You'll probably take a loss but, you will have had a memorable adventure. And, who knows, it might work out. BTW, absolutely make sure that you have your own compatent lawyer. Good luck.

Cool! A positive response. The last time I desided to "drop off the planet" for while it cost me about $15K US (andros, eluthera & long island Bahamas) It was worth every penny without question, and I had to sell my boat at a loss to get home!
 

montanaboy

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a little off the subject but

Hi just curious why u didn't like the outislands of the bahamas. I am looking at both the outislands and the Dominican Republic for my retirement. Def do like the mtns of the Dominican better though
 

flchewie

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never said i didnt

montanaboy said:
Hi just curious why u didn't like the outislands of the bahamas. I am looking at both the outislands and the Dominican Republic for my retirement. Def do like the mtns of the Dominican better though

Loved the Bahamas, Loved the Bahamian people (after you get to know them - they give you back the batteries they stole off your deck LOL) but Ive been there / done that, looking for new places and a total change from everything Ive seen so far...
 

montanaboy

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well nice to know that they give u your batteries back was this in a timely manner or a couple yrs down the road. I was in the DR in 2000 and definately loved the place. Good luck in your venture!
 

flchewie

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montanaboy said:
well nice to know that they give u your batteries back was this in a timely manner or a couple yrs down the road. I was in the DR in 2000 and definately loved the place. Good luck in your venture!

After a couple of weeks and a few kalik's - I guess who ever took them got to fealing guilty about it.

Anyway Ill be in the DR in 2 weeks, WITH OUT MY CHECKBOOK! Looking forward to the trip.