carpenter jobs?

[Escott]

You make practically nothing in the states because you are an asshole. Too bad for you bozo.

Edited to add:

HB, thanks brother but I can take out the trash! LOL

 

[pasha]

Did I miss something?

[B ....what a dickhead thing to say. maybe you should be appreciative rather than smug. [/B]

What in hell's name can you be thinking? To give benefit of doubt, let's assume you didn't read or didn't understand what the thread was about. Or do you just naturally have a bad temper and disposition....maybe it's that log you're carrying around on your shoulder? You might find your psychic life a lot more comfortable [and make a little more money at whatever it is you do for a living] if you dropped that load.

If I'm around when the work takes place I'll for sure be a spectator, since I want to know as much as possible about how it's done in DR. You have a problem with that....other than something mental I mean? If it's a question of people not watching you work, why not be open about it and give everyone some details like who/where/when and you might get that attention it seems you are missing.

I've seen a lot of screwy things said on this site.....99% of which are funny as hell....but for some reason your comments really have illuminated my sociopathdar. Seek professional help.

P

 

[Larry]

Re: what!!????!!!

"I will start the end of this month on the north coast if you are around and want to watch."

what a dickhead thing to say. maybe you should be appreciative rather than smug.

I thought it was a really nice invitation. A stranger invites you to his home and you call him a dickhead. Knowing Escott personally, he probably would have fed you and showed you all around sosua and cabarete introducing you to more people, enabling you to make more contacts than you could make yourself in 5 years.Oh well...your loss.
Larry

 

[Escott]

Re: so i'm a newbie, who cares

i've been watching for a while.

there's no problem with hiring cheap labor and having your place built for a lot less than in the US.

its the idea of being a spectator that makes me sick. i make practically nothing in the US and the nobody sits around drinking beers and watching me.

Well the guy came to this board for info. I would have given and still may give him more info in a practical sense than anyone can write in a message thead. How can you learn without being a spectator?

Every job I have worked in the States had spectators. Principals, familes, inspectors, neighbors, contractors waiting to get started, bankers checking on when payments are due, drivers, laborers and many others.

My guess is that you have never worked construction but I will let you go away in peace and get a different name so you can come back without looking like more of an ass.

You are probably a sock puppet with an alter ego anyway. Bye bye...

 

[mahalterhego]

meanies

ok. no, i have nothing to do with carpentry, contracting, etc etc etc...

which makes me wonder what i'm doing here. BUT: i've been watching this board with an outside interested because a) the dr sounds cool (but i'm in massachusetts) and b) i've been doing a lot of work on my place, if not carpentry; tiling, replacing windows, landscaping, etc.

i guess when i read the comment inviting people to watch underpaid workers work, it hit a soft spot because i am a clinical case manager for the mentally ill who sees people working for so much less than they deserve everyday of their lives. i don't think working in non-profit automatically makes me an asshole just because i don't make much.

so, while you want to want to learn the biz by watching, i would learn be lending a hand. afterall, if you work with them you'll will finish earlier, and then you'll get to pay them even less, right????

no psycho here my friend

 

[Hillbilly]

Okey, then let's get one thing cleared up

No matter who is doing the work, they are not underpaid by Dominican standards. In fact they are being well paid. Haitians do not work for less than the going rate. They are not stupid. And they work hard, without really knowing what they are doing.
And this is because the educational level in Haiti is so abismally low that they just do not know even basic construction techniques.

That said, if you want to learn more about this place, do come down for a week or so. Stay at Rocky's in Sosua at $15 a night.
Meet some people, have some fun. You might really learn something.

HB

 

[mahalterhego]

sounds like a great idea

if i had the money. i understand that they work hard, and its great that workers get paid such wonderful wages for doing so.

i'm just wondering how the hell i would be able to live there. i want to. but if a skilled laborer makes 8 bucks a day what the hell does a non-profiteer make???

i appreciate the input.

 

[Escott]

Re: meanies

ok. no, i have nothing to do with carpentry, contracting, etc etc etc...

That was pretty obvious.

which makes me wonder what i'm doing here. BUT: i've been watching this board with an outside interested because a) the dr sounds cool (but i'm in massachusetts) and b) i've been doing a lot of work on my place, if not carpentry; tiling, replacing windows, landscaping, etc.

Makes me wonder why you are commenting if you don't have a clue. Especially in the manner that you were.

i guess when i read the comment inviting people to watch underpaid workers work, it hit a soft spot because i am a clinical case manager for the mentally ill who sees people working for so much less than they deserve everyday of their lives. i don't think working in non-profit automatically makes me an asshole just because i don't make much.

They get the prevailing wage in the DR which thank GOD is not the same as in Mass or NY.

You think that Mentally Ill people in usually sheltered employment are underpaid?

My wife is a executive director of the Largest NFP in the County employing 600+ people. She is a Rehab Counselor and a Speech Therapist currently doing administration and not counseling except for employees such as you. (She would have a ball with you) I use to have a retail business and would pick up some of the higher functioning people around the holidays to pick up the slack. We called it affectionately "Rent a Nut".

When I would pay these people they would go out and get drunk and the agency or Group Home would call me and complain that I shouldn't have paid them.

so, while you want to want to learn the biz by watching, i would learn be lending a hand. afterall, if you work with them you'll will finish earlier, and then you'll get to pay them even less, right????

no psycho here my friend

I always worked along side my employees. I enjoyed it. At the wages in the Dominican Republic it just doesn't pay for me to do the work. These people need the work so badly that they would be upset with me if I did.

They beg me for more work. I have one guy that use to be a tennis pro doing menial labor and happy about it and works hard.

There is a fine line between you and the people you work with and if it wasn't for the grace of God you may have been on the other side of the fence. So the statement "no psycho here" may not be that accurate.

Come and watch my guys work. I wouldn't even mind if you helped them and gave them your wages which would be much because you probably don't know how to work.

 

[Escott]

Re: sounds like a great idea

if i had the money. i understand that they work hard, and its great that workers get paid such wonderful wages for doing so.

i'm just wondering how the hell i would be able to live there. i want to. but if a skilled laborer makes 8 bucks a day what the hell does a non-profiteer make???

i appreciate the input.

They make nothing. It is all volunteer work. Try that some time.

 

[Criss Colon]

Just another "Boston Pseudo-Intellectual"

Who doesn't realize that 95% of the World makes about 5 dollars per day! Hell,I made about 75,000 when I worked in Boston 8 years ago! With the devaluation of the peso I am now down to about 1000 US per month here! Thank God For 403bs,IRAs,Retirement Accounts,Not paying Capital Gains on Primary Residence,etc!!!

So this is where you all go to "Name Call" now! COOL! Cris Colon

 

[d kimball]

where to begin....

My experience with all phases of construction is vast. PJT, or what ever his handle is, I personally thought was kind of rude in his reply to my post. But as every one knows you come here looking for ideas or suggestions and anyone in the entire world can respond.
The info I got seemed to be that, sure labor is inexpensive & good, but it will take a long time to complete a project. So if one gets a job done in a quarter of the time it takes another - is their incentive espeically if the clientdoesn't have to stand over you watching to make sure no mistakes are made,(I charge twice as much if clients want to help.
WTF do we need dry wall for sounds like a market. I'll let you know when I see you someday. Gypsum is only a peice of the package.(illbeit a big one)
Escott it is very hard to discurn your tone but you seem angery at an annonomous message board.
Ego where in Mass are you?
I guess my next question would be what are the hardware store like? Like general stores or more like a toned down truevalue or Ace hardware?

Play nice kids we only go around the block once!


I know I'm A really bad speller so you don't have to point out the mistakes- to busy to proof read chat room stuff.

thanks everybody!

 

[samiam]

About hardware stores and stuff

D K,

Hardware stores in Santo Domingo are pretty much well stocked and they supply most of the others elsewhere in the Island. While most carry US brands in tools, they carry alot of european and asian products aswell.

There are about 3-4 major importers of lumber here and they sell most wood treatment products found in the US and most of the wood sold here is american pine wood.

 

[Lissa]

Hi escott I?d love to go and watch the construction , I?m an architect in SD and I like very much to see when the job is started and how it goes.. I?ll be very glad if you could invite me..
About the haitians, I?ve hired some of them myself and let me tell you they?re not underpaid at all because you have to explain them the same thing like a hundred times and be there when they start working ?cause after you spent 10 hours telling them how to do the job they don?t do it the right way . Someone can tell me ?well if is that hard then use a dominican worker?and i answer the problem is that haitians complaint a lot less, they take orders and they are stronger..

 

[Lissa]

d kimball , I?m working on sheetrock here, I?m doing all the interior divisions of an office , I?ve a couple of questions for you, Can I import some kind of walls or some products of gypsum or something like that , I?m thinking on something new here. Any kind of cutting edge interior/exterior divisions that are being used right now.. Well if you can help me out we can do something ..

 

[mobrouser]

lissa, earlier this year i posted about a product that is being promoted in Canada(and elsewhere i'm sure) as a drywall equivalent.

bagasse is the remnants of sugar cane after it has been refined. well actually for every kg of refined sugar produced there are 2 kgs of bagasse, but anyway the bagasse is further processed into a number of products; one being a board product that is said to be stronger and much more moisture resilient than gypsum. in Canada it is being used frequently in office renovations, as it is inexpensive and much more environmentally friendly than gypsum.

i see great potential for the product in my own particular business and had enquired about production of it in RD. unfortunately no-one here was familiar with the product. so if you know of it or able to find out more info do let me know.

regards,
mob

 

[Lissa]

I?m gonna do my homework

hey mob is a great idea to find out about this product , I?m going to do a research about it , and if something comes up I?ll let you know, since this product is made from the residuals of the sugar cane I guess it has a big potencial over here..
Lissa

 

[Escott]

Re: where to begin....

Escott it is very hard to discurn your tone but you seem angery at an annonomous message board.

What? You had a problem with me inviting you to see work done and how things are done in a foreign country?

I don't blame you for the disclaimer on your spelling. You actually seem like you are starting a brand new language! LOL

I offered to help you but I have changed my mind. I will offer to share my experience to the Architect from Santo Domingo who appreciates someone extending a welcoming hand. She is probably way prettier than you.

Gosh I don't know why people are such dopes. Must be the water! LOL

You remind me of a nightmare I had the other night. "I dreamed that Dolly Parton was my mother and I was a bottle baby"!.

 

[mahalterhego]

alright already

waving the white flag, saying uncle, calling a truce.

i do want to come to the dr. maybe i'll save up for it. expect me in a decade or so, after i pay off my student loans.

i watch the board because d kimball is my man and i want him to be able to support his ass if we move. supporting myself, it seems, is another story altogether.

good luck with your building party. i hope you get it up okay.

 

[Escott]

Re: alright already

i hope you get it up okay.

Funny, that is what she said! LOL

 

[mobrouser]

lissa, i finally found the link re: bagasse and wall systems. if you find any info about bagasse production in RD i would like to hear about it. thanks.

www.smartwalls.net

mob