Central American troops arrive in Haiti to fight gangs (75 Guatemalans+ 8 Salvadorans)

[windeguy]

They go to French Guiana to train for jungle warfare ops. They’re still volunteers from many countries. A lot of them have committed petty crimes, left their families behind or failed to fit in to regular society. People who committed blood crimes are not accepted anymore.

Like the Marines, they are the first to go and the last to know except the Marines fight for their country and legionnaires fight for the Legion. The French don’t admire their regular forces but they love their Foreign Legion. Every Bastille Day, the French Armed Forces parade down the Champs Élysées. Only the legionnaires get applause. Possibly because they attempted to assassinate the President of France when he granted Algeria independence after the legion sustained heavy losses defending France interests during the war.

Sending them to Haiti might be a double edged sword. They would decimate the gangs but Haitians might perceive it as more French oppression. France’s economy is not booming at the moment and the last thing Macron wants to do is spend large sums of money supporting the legion in Haiti. Their stay would be a long one.

Their stay would , if they lived, have to be forever and ever and that is a rather long time.
There is no infusion of any troops that anyone will actually send to Haiti that will make a difference
I see no reason for conjecture about legonaires, marines, army ranger, green berets, etc, etc etc..

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Journalists climb a wall to take cover from gunfire after being shot at by armed gangs at the General Hospital in Port-au-Prince.Credit...Jean Feguens Regala/Associated Press
By David C. Adams and Frances Robles
David C. Adams and Frances Robles reported from Florida
Jan. 6, 2025Updated 7:05 a.m. ET


A fresh injection of about 150 foreign officers arrived in Haiti this weekend to bolster an international security force charged with taking on the powerful and well-armed gangs that have inflicted so much misery on the country for months.
But if the past is any guide this latest infusion is unlikely to make much of a difference.
Back-to-back massacres that killed more than 300 people, followed by a Christmas Eve assault on Haiti’s largest public hospital have underscored the Haitian government’s increasing lack of control over the nation’s deepening crisis.

 

[Ecoman1949]

Their stay would , if they lived, have to be forever and ever and that is a rather long time.
There is no infusion of any troops that anyone will actually send to Haiti that will make a difference
I see no reason for conjecture about legonaires, marines, army ranger, green berets, etc, etc etc..

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Journalists climb a wall to take cover from gunfire after being shot at by armed gangs at the General Hospital in Port-au-Prince.Credit...Jean Feguens Regala/Associated Press
By David C. Adams and Frances Robles
David C. Adams and Frances Robles reported from Florida
Jan. 6, 2025Updated 7:05 a.m. ET


A fresh injection of about 150 foreign officers arrived in Haiti this weekend to bolster an international security force charged with taking on the powerful and well-armed gangs that have inflicted so much misery on the country for months.
But if the past is any guide this latest infusion is unlikely to make much of a difference.
Back-to-back massacres that killed more than 300 people, followed by a Christmas Eve assault on Haiti’s largest public hospital have underscored the Haitian government’s increasing lack of control over the nation’s deepening crisis.

The conjecture is just wishful thinking by me and a few other posters. Despite the worsening situation in Haiti, many of us want a peaceful outcome for the Haitian population. The cobbled together Haitian government was never in control and in a constant state of disarray, one female candidate quit early in the game, a few became corrupted, and they fired the Health Minister for no good reason other than a public relations exercise. They are a self fulfilling prophecy.

We know the inevitable outcome of the current intervention but the potential impact of that is significant for the DR. A lawless, heavily armed, failed state left to its own devices on your border is a security threat to any country, let alone the DR with its limited military resources. The DR military and physical border can only do so much. Eventually the violence on the Haitian side will spill over into the DR. It already has to some degree in some of the border towns and gang leaders and members are already using the border to their advantage.

If the DR is to have a safe prosperous future, someone has to do something sometime to end the violence in Haiti by peaceful or military means. Not a job for the DR nor should it be but someone has to step up and resolve the problem. Who that is and how it is resolved remains to be seen but it will be done eventually.

 

[CristoRey]

Gang violence in Haiti is here to stay.
No amount of foreign troops is going to fix this problem.

 

[Father Guido]

They go to French Guiana to train for jungle warfare ops. They’re still volunteers from many countries. A lot of them have committed petty crimes, left their families behind or failed to fit in to regular society. People who committed blood crimes are not accepted anymore.

Like the Marines, they are the first to go and the last to know except the Marines fight for their country and legionnaires fight for the Legion. The French don’t admire their regular forces but they love their Foreign Legion. Every Bastille Day, the French Armed Forces parade down the Champs Élysées. Only the legionnaires get applause. Possibly because they attempted to assassinate the President of France when he granted Algeria independence after the legion sustained heavy losses defending France interests during the war.

Sending them to Haiti might be a double edged sword. They would decimate the gangs but Haitians might perceive it as more French oppression. France’s economy is not booming at the moment and the last thing Macron wants to do is spend large sums of money supporting the legion in Haiti. Their stay would be a long one.

Yes, we all know that US or any other well trained military force aren't going to Haiti anytime soon or at all, but I'd think I'd rather have "oppression" from the FFL
then oppression from the monsters who actually control Haiti now.

They go to French Guiana to train for jungle warfare ops. They’re still volunteers from many countries. A lot of them have committed petty crimes, left their families behind or failed to fit in to regular society. People who committed blood crimes are not accepted anymore.

Like the Marines, they are the first to go and the last to know except the Marines fight for their country and legionnaires fight for the Legion. The French don’t admire their regular forces but they love their Foreign Legion. Every Bastille Day, the French Armed Forces parade down the Champs Élysées. Only the legionnaires get applause. Possibly because they attempted to assassinate the President of France when he granted Algeria independence after the legion sustained heavy losses defending France interests during the war.

Sending them to Haiti might be a double edged sword. They would decimate the gangs but Haitians might perceive it as more French oppression. France’s economy is not booming at the moment and the last thing Macron wants to do is spend large sums of money supporting the legion in Haiti. Their stay would be a long one.

French oppression?, I think Hamas would be less oppressive than what they have now

 

[Ecoman1949]

Yes, we all know that US or any other well trained military force aren't going to Haiti anytime soon or at all, but I'd think I'd rather have "oppression" from the FFL
then oppression from the monsters who actually control Haiti now.

French oppression?, I think Hamas would be less oppressive than what they have now

Many Haitians consider foreign forces to be occupiers and oppressors, even if they are there to help them. What’s even stranger is Poppa Doc and Baby Doc used their Ton Ton Macoutes death squads to quell violence and unrest in Haiti and it worked well. Extremism seems to be the key to a peaceful path in Haiti. Someone posted Haiti needs another ruthless dictator to resolve its problems. Could be some truth in that.

 

[NALs]

Many Haitians consider foreign forces to be occupiers and oppressors, even if they are there to help them. What’s even stranger is Poppa Doc and Baby Doc used their Ton Ton Macoutes death squads to quell violence and unrest in Haiti and it worked well. Extremism seems to be the key to a peaceful path in Haiti. Someone posted Haiti needs another ruthless dictator to resolve its problems. Could be some truth in that.

Remember that Haití was born not as a democracy, but an empire. Its first president had the title of Jacques I, wasn’t voted to be there, and was declared president for life. He wasn’t the only Haitian President that declared himself a “for life” thing.

For most of its history you needed to know French to deal with the Haitian government. Most people there only know Haitian Creole (which isn’t the same as French.) From the very start most Haitians were excluded by their own government and their opinions expressed through the vote were simply not important. I think that didn’t happen out of thin air.

 

[Tom F.]

My home county has enough to worry about keeping it's borders patrolled. And it did try (Clintons etc) and it was realized Haiti has no fix.
Focus on the USA border is the best fix for the USA while deporting all illegal aliens if they sneak through or overstay illegally.

Some things cannot be fixed, and Haiti is one of those things. The USA will stay away from further attempts, leving it for others to inevitably fail.

Didn't the US remove Aristide twice. Once they landed helicopters on the from lawn of the presidential palace, kidnapped him and eventually sent him to Central African Republic. He called for an increase in the minimum wage and the powers to be said no way. I think they were still make baseballs for MLB at the time. Shortly after they moved production to Costa Rica I think. Should of left a dully elected president in place. I know they accused him of theft but my left leaning news sources claimed it was made up.

 

[windeguy]

Didn't the US remove Aristide twice. Once they landed helicopters on the from lawn of the presidential palace, kidnapped him and eventually sent him to Central African Republic. He called for an increase in the minimum wage and the powers to be said no way. I think they were still make baseballs for MLB at the time. Shortly after they moved production to Costa Rica I think. Should of left a dully elected president in place. I know they accused him of theft but my left leaning news sources claimed it was made up.

Perhaps, I don't know the history, but it didn't matter in the end. Haiti was, is and will be a failed state.

 

[NanSanPedro]

Didn't the US remove Aristide twice. Once they landed helicopters on the from lawn of the presidential palace, kidnapped him and eventually sent him to Central African Republic. He called for an increase in the minimum wage and the powers to be said no way. I think they were still make baseballs for MLB at the time. Shortly after they moved production to Costa Rica I think. Should of left a dully elected president in place. I know they accused him of theft but my left leaning news sources claimed it was made up.

I will never believe a politician wasn't corrupt. It's just a matter of degree and how much.