China donates equipment for Dominican military and police

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The fire engines that were previously donated were piles of crap. Beware of "chincs" bearing gifts.
The U.S (actually the city of Washington D.C) donated some fire trucks to the DR, Sosua. The U.S also donated or offered to donate several helicopters but it was scuttled after the D.R realized the massive cost and tech expertise required to maintain the helicopters. To this day I don't think the the DR has any jets in there military inventory just turbo props. The massive cost to maintain them and the U.S would probably say no.
 

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The U.S (actually the city of Washington D.C) donated some fire trucks to the DR, Sosua. The U.S also donated or offered to donate several helicopters but it was scuttled after the D.R realized the massive cost and tech expertise required to maintain the helicopters. To this day I don't think the the DR has any jets in there military inventory just turbo props. The massive cost to maintain them and the U.S would probably say no.

That's a very sad story. A small industry could have been born. Dominican labor is cheaper and if they could be trained to how to maintain helicopters, they could broaden that business to import repairs.
 

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That's a very sad story. A small industry could have been born. Dominican labor is cheaper and if they could be trained to how to maintain helicopters, they could broaden that business to import repairs.


The DR’s FAD maintenance personal can take apart and put back those helos blindfolded.

The fire trucks 🚒 were retired units from several fire houses.

The helicopters were airframes that reached their safe operational status and required constant inspection for any critical wear or compromised parts. Alongside the engines and need to update avionics, communication, payload and other intricate subsystems, which made their constant maintenance the stuff of budget nightmares.
 

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The U.S (actually the city of Washington D.C) donated some fire trucks to the DR, Sosua. The U.S also donated or offered to donate several helicopters but it was scuttled after the D.R realized the massive cost and tech expertise required to maintain the helicopters. To this day I don't think the the DR has any jets in there military inventory just turbo props. The massive cost to maintain them and the U.S would probably say no.

The Embraer Super Tucano A-29s turboprop in service are not old planes nor their technology antiquated. These are very efficient, well armed and posses very good flight characteristics for light attack planes.

Their low cost per flight hours and endurance, make them perfect for the FAD and DR needs.

The US was dead set against the DR obtaining these planes that they blocked their technology transfer to upend the deal.

Brazil ended up providing 100% Israeli supplied avionics and other subsystems for our planes. This in turn made our planes more expensive than if using US cheaper hardware.

The reason why the US objected, is because a good chunk of their black ops funding comes from the trade in our space and waters.

Needless to say, illicit tracks crumbled when the planes entered service with the FAD.

For a time, the FAD signed a cooperation deal with Israel and one of their radar suppliers. We had a 3D radar deployed that could track and identify all aircraft in our territory and marine perimeter.

After about a year and a half, the US put pressure on Israel to end the agreement and had the radar removed. After that our planes had to deploy in several areas of the country in order to make time and bingo fuel, to find and track illicit aircraft deep into the sea and maritime territory.

As shown now, given the lack of the 3D tracking radar, some aircraft are evading the surveillance rings and being guided on their approach waypoints to the DR to drop their cargo.

This loophole will soon be plugged by obtaining a non Israeli tracking radar by the FAD.

It’s a sad 😔 situation of how the US funds their black ops, in detriment to our national security and wellbeing...
 

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Well... They never did rise, as British Hong Kong police was brutal and efficient.
Just like it was in India, Palestine, etc...

Just for your information full universal suffrage was never granted by the British to Hong Kong Chinese citizens before the handover in 1997 to mainland China. The colony was governed by a British appointed governor and later together with a Hong Kong Chinese figure head after 1993.
I was referring to your opinion that "You can’t demand what was never giving to you in the first place". Oh yes you can!

My hope is that Pres. Abinader will resume relations with Taiwan both for the good of the Dominican people and Dominican pride. The D.R. should not allow itself to be held hostage by a soulless communist regime. The D.R. should feel free to do business with whomever they want in any manner they see fit. The greatest threat to any nation's sovereignty is their unwillingness to defend it.
 
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I was referring to your opinion that "You can’t demand what was never giving to you in the first place". Oh yes you can!

My hope is that Pres. Abinader will resume relations with Taiwan both for the good of the Dominican people and Dominican pride. The D.R. should not allow itself to be held hostage by a soulless communist regime. The D.R. should feel free to do business with whomever they want in any manner they see fit. The greatest threat to any nation's sovereignty is their unwillingness to defend it.


It will not revert to Taiwan, that’s 100% certain.

The US leaned on the DR to force rejecting Huawei from our communication’s heart.
Also chastised the DR for breaking with Taiwan and establishing relations with China ( who you think is the one here pushing the other around?) 🤔

Hong Kong Chinese had been relentless in demanding from mainland China what they never had the galls to stand and fight for from the British. Up until the point they started to destroy public property and attack the civil servants. They created their own demon and now scurry like rats 🐀 jumping 🚢 ship.

There’s nothing a single person with intelligence would deny in that these acts received funding and backing from external actors.

If they want to change China, let them join the government and change it from within. How a democratic goal is reached by consensus.

1776 didn’t take place on a vacuum, and 🇺🇸 should make a festive day to thank France for sending their armada to secure that freedom.

Each new administration blasts a new enemy to the citizens ears in order to justify their military expansionism and calls for new armaments.

The USA stands alone today at the military might podium, with no nemesis to speak about.

Russia has, since the CCCP breakup, not interfere or invaded any western nation other than their own legitimate backyard.

Same for China. Which like many other countries has open territorial claims to settle in their own backyards.

NATO expansion post the CCCP is not a joke and will eventually lead to a direct confrontation with Russia. One which they will soon learn, as those before them, is not a great idea.

Don’t poke the bear!


The DR should maintain course and grow those relations with China to the peak.

We have much to gain and little to lose at the end.
 

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I had a Chinese friend in high school and Junior college. His family was from China but he was born and raised in the US.
He's the last Chinese person I befriended and frankly I am OK with that.
Their culture is not mine and frankly they are boring as hell. Smart yes but without soul
 

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I had a Chinese friend in high school and Junior college. His family was from China but he was born and raised in the US.
He's the last Chinese person I befriended and frankly I am OK with that.
Their culture is not mine and frankly they are boring as hell. Smart yes but without soul


China, Japan, Korea, all share the same modus operandi, they work themselves to death to prop up their next generation. Which in turn does the same in a never ending loop.

They exist, yet don’t live...

Here in the DR each new foreign settled generation after the first become aplatanados... They exist to live.
 
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Let's take a look at the items for sale in the cheap Chinese stores here is the DR, They are poor quality, it is apparent there is no pride of workmanship, no style unless it is copied, they try to sell in large volumes to make a peso and turn around and ship in more garbage in unlabeled cardboard boxes.
Bought some panties for girls off Amazon - they were from China - which I was unaware. The Dominican girl I gave them to even turned up her nose recognizing poor workmanship.
They didn't make it through even one wash, not one.
I guess to Chinese people they think the whole world is disposable and the poor DR, among other 3rd world countries, is their laughing stock dumping ground, one of many.
Never trust a Chinese smile or handshake - it's fake - unless a profit is involved.
 

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Let's take a look at the items for sale in the cheap Chinese stores here is the DR, They are poor quality, it is apparent there is no pride of workmanship, no style unless it is copied, they try to sell in large volumes to make a peso and turn around and ship in more garbage in unlabeled cardboard boxes.
Bought some panties for girls off Amazon - they were from China - which I was unaware. The Dominican girl I gave them to even turned up her nose recognizing poor workmanship.
They didn't make it through even one wash, not one.
I guess to Chinese people they think the whole world is disposable and the poor DR, among other 3rd world countries, is their laughing stock dumping ground, one of many.
Never trust a Chinese smile or handshake - it's fake - unless a profit is involved.


In reality you can buy cheap, as dirt cheap, in China. But you can also buy quality, and extreme quality as well.

It’s all dependent on the buyer.

China can meet both extremes, unlike most any other supply market.

DR importers bring as much their pesos turned Yuans can buy.

They bring the lowest priced, hence lowest quality to the market to reap the benefits.

Same happens to stuff imported from China to the USA market.

You really must visit China to see it first hand like I did, and still do.
 
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Someone mentioned the fire trucks 🚒 donated by China a few years back falling into disrepair and whatnot.

The administration didn’t spend a penny on maintenance parts or supplies for the trucks, only relying on the package of spares donated along with the trucks.

Many of them today are back into service as the new DR administration procured from China the parts and service items required by the truck maintenance.

Same with OMSA buses stacked needing parts. Now many back into service again after parts were procured.
 

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China included 15,000 extra parts and wares for their maintenance for the new motos and jeeps.
 

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These CF Moto units are very well regarded in the markets where they are used, both by official and public consumers.

You can find them all over the world, more so in LA countries.

Brands like Suzuki, Yamaha, Honda, H-D, and others are way overpriced and centered more on specialties rather than what they were once known for.
 

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The U.S (actually the city of Washington D.C) donated some fire trucks to the DR, Sosua. The U.S also donated or offered to donate several helicopters but it was scuttled after the D.R realized the massive cost and tech expertise required to maintain the helicopters. To this day I don't think the the DR has any jets in there military inventory just turbo props. The massive cost to maintain them and the U.S would probably say no.
Correct. They use Tucanos. Single engine 2 seater Turboprop aircraft built by Embraer. Their Huey helicopters are vintage as well.
 

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These CF Moto units are very well regarded in the markets where they are used, both by official and public consumers.

You can find them all over the world, more so in LA countries.

Brands like Suzuki, Yamaha, Honda, H-D, and others are way overpriced and centered more on specialties rather than what they were once known for.
Yamaha, HD, and BMW still make police enforcement motorcycles. The Yamaha FJR 1300KGT being the less expensive of the three. The DR roads and topography will soon test the metal of the CF’s. A dual purpose off road/on road machine similar to the BMW GS series is a better bike for military operations, rapid response, search and rescue, etc. I imagine the CF’s will spend most of their working life as parade bikes.
 

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140 motorcycles.
20% have already had mechanical issues in the first week
10% have been pulled from service
30 % no longer have working speedometers
40 % have kickstand that have fallen off.
90 % have no mirrors or working taillights

This is typical of most Chinese bikes after early use.
CHINESE are not generous humans like other nationalities. Charity is not in their dictionary. Everything they do comes with a big hook.
Expect them to be seine harvesting all the Caribbean parrot fish in the coming weeks.
look at the fire engines China donated. Are any still in service? Cheap is dear.
 

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That's a very sad story. A small industry could have been born. Dominican labor is cheaper and if they could be trained to how to maintain helicopters, they could broaden that business to import repairs.
You want to fly in a helicopter with questionable maintenance.
Helicopter maintenance is highly technical and the machines are very high maintenance.
A small industry?
This country does not even manufacture a bicycle.
Better to start small and safe.
 
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The DR’s FAD maintenance personal can take apart and put back those helos blindfolded.

The fire trucks 🚒 were retired units from several fire houses.

The helicopters were airframes that reached their safe operational status and required constant inspection for any critical wear or compromised parts. Alongside the engines and need to update avionics, communication, payload and other intricate subsystems, which made their constant maintenance the stuff of budget nightmares.
I concur on lifetime used Helicopters; in Canada we bore the brunt of political incompetence and kept the Sea king Helicopter operational for 50 years plus.
It took almost 24 hours of maintenance to keep the Sea king in the air for ''one hour''. This is a tremendous expense and required the most experienced technicians available to keep them current. That is not the way to build an Avionics Industry..... start in the Colleges and University with Aerospace Engineering training and education; then start from the bottom up, not top down. A turbo prop is still a jet engine as are most other turbine engines.
RD is not a huge country and the Ticano Turbo Prop plane can do air survelance quite easily and at speeds that allow for Pilot observation . Very high speed Jets do not allow for low speed observations.
 
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