Coronavirus - In the DR

[Cdn_Gringo]

So in summation I won't feel any safer given the above conditions now or 6 months from now. Too many people with no symptoms that are capable of infecting me this is especially true in having the disease does not confer immunity.

You, me and others in our situation have three choices:

1) Say fug it and go about our business as we normally would, get sick sooner, letting the chips fall where they may. We die or we don't.

2) Say fug it, go about our essential business taking all of the precautions we can manage. Masks, have our groceries delivered, maybe have a maid come in more often to slosh chloro on everything, avoid social situations and wait for the vaccine. I might buy some inflatable sex dolls to float in the pool so I don't feel quite so alone while I drink my cocktails poolside soaking up vitamin D.

3) Continue to isolate ourselves avoiding all unnecessary exposure to other people and wait for a vaccine or at least a very effective treatment that knocks down this infection long before it become life threatening should we contract it.

The world is going to get on with things eventually and those who are at risk now will still be at risk then. Perhaps more so as all prevention controls fall by the wayside. It was said early on that this disease was going to change the way (some) people had to live for a long time. Sadly, no one really knows who of the vulnerable this disease will end, so those who wish to continue living have to assume that they must stay at home until there is a vaccine. Home is the only environment you can control and can be the only guaranteed safe zone for those who cannot or do not wish to risk infection. Well, that and traveling around in a Zorb I guess.

 

[El Rey de Mangu]

I might buy some inflatable sex dolls to float in the pool so I don't feel quite so alone while I drink my cocktails poolside soaking up vitamin D.

Most probably would not have read down far enough to notice

 

[habi]

You, me and others in our situation have three choices:

1) Say fug it and go about our business as we normally would, get sick sooner, letting the chips fall where they may. We die or we don't.

2) Say fug it, go about our essential business taking all of the precautions we can manage. Masks, have our groceries delivered, maybe have a maid come in more often to slosh chloro on everything, avoid social situations and wait for the vaccine. I might buy some inflatable sex dolls to float in the pool so I don't feel quite so alone while I drink my cocktails poolside soaking up vitamin D.

3) Continue to isolate ourselves avoiding all unnecessary exposure to other people and wait for a vaccine or at least a very effective treatment that knocks down this infection long before it become life threatening should we contract it.

The world is going to get on with things eventually and those who are at risk now will still be at risk then. Perhaps more so as all prevention controls fall by the wayside. It was said early on that this disease was going to change the way (some) people had to live for a long time. Sadly, no one really knows who of the vulnerable this disease will end, so those who wish to continue living have to assume that they must stay at home until there is a vaccine. Home is the only environment you can control and can be the only guaranteed safe zone for those who cannot or do not wish to risk infection. Well, that and traveling around in a Zorb I guess.

I vote for option 1!
But unfortunately I do not think they will find a way out of this mess...
The virus is here and will be here also in one year...

 

[Cdn_Gringo]

For healthy people, perhaps option #1 is indeed the best they can hope for and the odds seem to support an eventual recovery so most of them would be able to get on with their lives.

For others in our community, based on their personal medical situations and life priorities, option #1 is akin to a nightmare they can't wake up from. My post was a reply to a user who confessed living with COPD. I too have this condition and I know of a couple other DR1 users who are for the most part perfectly capable of functioning quite well day to day but may not handle a tango with CV19 very well.

Without getting into the idea of advanced medical treatment or how a particular individual became a member of the "at risk group", for some, it is going to be a very long time before they can again hangout out at a table on the beach drinking/eating and interacting with all those that pass by. The vulnerable who choose to do all they can avoid this disease will be the ones quickly overlooked when they are the only ones still in isolation. It is going to be tough for some people when not everyone is in the same shared predicament anylonger.

 

[El Rey de Mangu]

Another who missed a golden opportunity to get on a ferry flight back to home sweet home

 

[NALs]

If the Tainos would have had access to the internet in their day, I wonder what they would have been saying.
What they might have been thinking.
For that matter any of the indigenous peoples of the new world, the Americas.
For those that are thinking that the government in the D.R. is being too cautious with COVID19, remember that there is history on the island of Hispaniola as it relates to disease imported from away...

Agree on the history part, but something as basic as germ theory took around 400 years after that took place. Viruses themselves weren't discovered until the 1890's. No one knew what was causing anything, other than "good air" and "bad air" for describing a place, plus the usual "they were cursed" since a simple sneeze from a simple cold from a unknowingly Spaniard would infect entire Taino villages and most died from it. No one knew what was truly going on, not the Tainos nor anyone else.

What would the Tainos had done if they had the internet? Assuming all else stay the same, other than amplifying their concerns, not much!

 

[chico bill]

If the Tainos would have had access to the internet in their day, I wonder what they would have been saying.
What they might have been thinking.
For that matter any of the indigenous peoples of the new world, the Americas.
For those that are thinking that the government in the D.R. is being too cautious with COVID19, remember that there is history on the island of Hispaniola as it relates to disease imported from away...

I bet they would have asked how come these foreigners have herd immunity and why can't we get some.

 

[austriaco]

¿Tiempo de reabrir la economía?

Todas las noticias del acontecer nacional de la República Dominicana y el resto del mundo.

www.elcaribe.com.do

Time to reopen the economy?

Andrés Dauhajre Hijo | 27 abril, 2020​

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I do not understand why there is not a single mentioning of the positivity rate in the tests. All mentioned there is the news and models of last month or before who have been discusses a month or more before in other places. The world has learned a thing or two during that month.

The current discussion is using the Percentage of positive tests as the indicator to open or stay closed. If the rate is under 10% of the tests positiv, meaning 90% negative you can start to think about opening.

All the models above are so useless as they all depend on knowing the facts, which are not known as long as they do so little testing.

However the percentage of positive tests of the tests done is completely independent on the number of tests and is plain and simple and does cut out all the uncertainties. At least for all the countries who do not do enough testing, which is almost all countries except a few.

I have no idea why no one is talking about the solution which is on the table, easy to use and logical. Only condition is that the number of tests does not change dramatically, because that of course messes up the rate. But that danger I do not see in DR, as there is no miracles happening and tomorrow they would do the 20000 daily tests which would be needed.

DR is according to that key indicator no where near to thinking about opening.

 

[Fulano2]

IFor those that are thinking that the government in the D.R. is being too cautious with COVID19, remember that there is history on the island of Hispaniola as it relates to disease imported from away...

Is that the reason you think?

 

[rubio_higuey]

I do not understand why there is not a single mentioning of the positivity rate in the tests. All mentioned there is the news and models of last month or before who have been discusses a month or more before in other places. The world has learned a thing or two during that month.

The current discussion is using the Percentage of positive tests as the indicator to open or stay closed. If the rate is under 10% of the tests positiv, meaning 90% negative you can start to think about opening.

All the models above are so useless as they all depend on knowing the facts, which are not known as long as they do so little testing.

However the percentage of positive tests of the tests done is completely independent on the number of tests and is plain and simple and does cut out all the uncertainties. At least for all the countries who do not do enough testing, which is almost all countries except a few.

I have no idea why no one is talking about the solution which is on the table, easy to use and logical. Only condition is that the number of tests does not change dramatically, because that of course messes up the rate. But that danger I do not see in DR, as there is no miracles happening and tomorrow they would do the 20000 daily tests which would be needed.

DR is according to that key indicator no where near to thinking about opening.

The positivity rate in the current tests is absolutely irrelevant number, because what really matters to know is the current population positivity. If they only test the symptomatic and those who had close ocntact with them, the numbers are skewed as far as positive infection ratio is concerned. You should watch the video interview with these two frontline doctors, who btw are also microbiologists and virologists. Then, read the USC LA study, and Stanford study, and Imperial College of London study, and new york study. Then the article will possibly make much more sense to you, because you really did not get the point of the article.

All the studies show that it is quite irrelevant the numbe rof positives, as the flu had 80 million positive sin USA back few years ago and nobody did the circus. And yes it is being compared to flu because that's the only thing similar we currently know and can compare with, and also because if the numbers given by studies are right, overall numbers are not far from flu. As the two good doctors say, it's not the same data we have now than we had 2 months ago. And that's a very important factor to pay attention to. Interpretation of data of today, results in different interpretation than data available when the pandemic started.

You should start by watching the whole interview with these two frontline doctors.

https://dr1.com/forums/threads/coronavirus-around-the-world.261465/post-5522059

 

[cobraboy]

For healthy people, perhaps option #1 is indeed the best they can hope for and the odds seem to support an eventual recovery so most of them would be able to get on with their lives.

Seems simple enough: the young and healthy can go on as usual, the weak. ill, cautious and infirmed elderly continue with caution.

There is no perfect way until---and, really, IF, because there is zero assurance---a vaccine becomes available.

The ONLY way to "fix" this is herd immunity, and that includes a vaccine.

But to shut down the world economy over false models, when the reality is the numbers are approx. the same as a seasonal flu, is ridiculous. The cure is worse than the disease.

If folks are directly afraid to leave their abode, fine. Stay self-quarantines, do your thing, whether your fear is real or imagined. But the rest of us should go on living.

It's time.

I just have a problem with folks who have incomes that are not going away, like gubmint bureaucrats and retired pensioners, telling others to sacrifice their jobs and livelihoods for the "greater good." IMO, when gubmint mandates a shutdown, even gubmint employees should miss their paychecks, too. Guaranteed, gubmint would find a way to re-open lickity-split.

 

[El Rey de Mangu]

What these "gringos with rights" missed, is that they are not in Florida. It's amazing that they still don't get that under the national emergency, both the military and PN have "extraordinary" powers to intercede basically in any situation they can say has to do with the virus. Whether the gringos with rights agree or not. The cop was "rude" to him lol. Please get on your ferry flight!

 

[Caonabo]

What these "gringos with rights" missed, is that they are not in Florida. It's amazing that they still don't get that under the national emergency, both the military and PN have "extraordinary" powers to intercede basically in any situation they can say has to do with the virus. Whether the gringos with rights agree or not. The cop was "rude" to him lol. Please get on your ferry flight!
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So who will be responsible for the rioting due to this measure, Dominicans or expatriates? My money is on the croc wearing population.

 

[El Rey de Mangu]

So who will be responsible for the rioting due to this measure, Dominicans or expatriates? My money is on the croc wearing population.

They'll be shouting their 3 words of Spanish in the streets!

 

[NanSanPedro]

What these "gringos with rights" missed, is that they are not in Florida. It's amazing that they still don't get that under the national emergency, both the military and PN have "extraordinary" powers to intercede basically in any situation they can say has to do with the virus. Whether the gringos with rights agree or not. The cop was "rude" to him lol. Please get on your ferry flight!
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They don't enforce the mask wearing for individuals here in Boca Chica. They do however for those in groups.

 

[El Rey de Mangu]

They don't enforce the mask wearing for individuals here in Boca Chica. They do however for those in groups.

What groups what are you implying here?

 

[NanSanPedro]

What groups what are you implying here?

Any groups of 5 or more it seems.

I walk the malecon every day. Small groups like that always have on masks. Those of us that are by ourselves don't wear one. Nobody enforces it.

 

[Caonabo]

As I happened to mention within a certain Off Topic thread line, I will share here with proper edits so as not to distract from the thread line or violate terms of it's guidelines...…..

The subject matter of cleaners and/or disinfectants has been in the world news of late. I mention it, not in that they should be ingested, but rather that there may be clinical studies showing that these items are beneficial in causing barriers to this Kung Flu spreading.

To bring this in line with this particular thread line, could it be the reason why the RD is sending out water trucks containing a mixture of water and cloro to hose down streets barrio by barrio, sector by sector, and the zona francas?

No, I do not suggest to consume cleaning products, but you may want to give your residence or place of business the good clean over RD style.........with plenty of cloro. And do not be afraid to use your pool as long as it is private and clean (with proper cleaning chemicals).

I have used my private pool almost daily for the entire stretch of this state of emergency, as well as receiving generous amounts of sunshine during this heat wave we are experiencing, and neither I nor any of my houseguests have had any discomforting signs associated with this illness.

(Again, this is an edited version of another posting. Please adhere to the rules of this web forum and do not invoke foreign politics within this thread line. If pressed to, there is a certain thread line within Off Topic to accommodate your desire)

 

[Africaida]

As I happened to mention within a certain Off Topic thread line, I will share here with proper edits so as not to distract from the thread line or violate terms of it's guidelines...…..

The subject matter of cleaners and/or disinfectants has been in the world news of late. I mention it, not in that they should be ingested, but rather that there may be clinical studies showing that these items are beneficial in causing barriers to this Kung Flu spreading.

To bring this in line with this particular thread line, could it be the reason why the RD is sending out water trucks containing a mixture of water and cloro to hose down streets barrio by barrio, sector by sector, and the zona francas?

No, I do not suggest to consume cleaning products, but you may want to give your residence or place of business the good clean over RD style.........with plenty of cloro. And do not be afraid to use your pool as long as it is private and clean (with proper cleaning chemicals).

I have used my private pool almost daily for the entire stretch of this state of emergency, as well as receiving generous amounts of sunshine during this heat wave we are experiencing, and neither I nor any of my houseguests have had any discomforting signs associated with this illness.

(Again, this is an edited version of another posting. Please adhere to the rules of this web forum and do not invoke foreign politics within this thread line. If pressed to, there is a certain thread line within Off Topic to accommodate your desire)

No pool, walks to the park in the most infected city in the world, no sunshine , apartment cleaned with regular cleaning products (not a fan of Cloro), still alive,no signs of illness. 😎

Now, If I could just get rid of hay fever (Air purifier arriving today, my last hope) !

 

[El Rey de Mangu]

No pool, walks to the park in the most infected city in the world, no sunshine , apartment cleaned with regular cleaning products (not a fan of Cloro), still alive,no signs of illness. 😎

Now, If I could just get rid of hay fever (Air purifier arriving today, my last hope) !

Since I'm poor I've been cleaning with a Clorox/vinegar mix and I've never felt so carefree!