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Africaida

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Disturbing

If she is getting catcalls - it is based on how she is dressing and walking..

Dominican women wear both pants and tops that are one size too small - but understand that those clothes are worn by AVAILABLE women.. Not by the ones who are not.

Also, I would love to hear from Dominican women such as Aguaita (by all means, educated and residing in the capital) to see or not she experiences catcalls. And, I am pretty sure, she does NOT wear clothing one size too small.


Then again, Burqas would solve the problem :bandit:
 
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mountainannie

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Let's agree to disagree MA, I may come down on vacation but I live in NYC where catcalls are nearly as common as in DR !

Wisdom ?*roll eyes*

I understand the different dress codes given the areas and the fact that I only come down on vacations doesn't change the fact that women should be able to wear whatever they want.

I -and women in general-get catcalls whether I am dress with my work suit (5 days a week) and I don't walk and talk like some stupid airhead. Of course, if I am going out and dress with leather pants, I get more attention, that 's common sense.

So, I support the ban to baggy Mennonite clothing (besides they still thought you were getting down with the motoconcho) !!!!! :lick:

We can certainly agree to disagree

and the folks in LT certainly knew that I was NOT getting down with the motoconchistos or the Haitians after I had been there for a year... The Street knows all and tells all .. and the coconut telegraph has your number before you yourself even knows that it has been changed.

I am most assuredly much older than you but was also born and raised in NYC and know that there were and are areas where catcalls are common - Nor do I suppose that either the poster or you might be "some stupid airhead" for dressing in whatever manner she or you chooses to.

As I think you are aware, I traveled all over the DR by public bus & motoconcho and hung out in small towns - both in the Colmados and high end restaurants - I drank beer with the hookers, I went to church with the pious..

I did not dress in "baggy Mennonite clothing " - so puleeze - what my suggestion to the poster was - simply - that she OBSERVE and LEARN...

That she place herself on The Conde - which is the central plaza - where in the olden days the young people would promenade - boys on one ring, girls on the other, parents seated in the center to chaparone... And WATCH the interactions between the men and the women there.

What women "Should Be allowed" to do and what women "ARE" allowed to do - are two different universes.

The Dominican Republic has one of the highest rates of "feminincide" in the world.

Even Colombians that I knew there were completely shocked by the level of machismo.

So - while you may think that your short vacations here have informed you about the reality of life here, I would suggest that you are not as informed as you think that you. The DR is a dangerous place for women - particularly unescorted ones.
 

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Dominican women are trafficked in the prostitution industry all over the world. One past president - Hippolyto - even bragged on it - saying "We have the best prostitutes in the World". In the Samana peninsula, friends reported going to a public governmental event - and watching as the officials on the podium - had their hands on the buttocks of the young teenaged girls flanking him on either side.

My dear American friend and I -in LT - were shocked by how the young girls in LT were being trained and groomed in their quasi -gymnastic classes - to parade in public with pelvic thrustings and twerkings... for the pleasure of the ex-pat and Dominican onlookers/

Dominican men - have a standard -"baja panty" - in which every man with any money at all can have any young girl at all.

In LT there was a concerted effort to arrest one Frenchman who had essentially bought one 13 year old from her parents - he used to pick her up at school and have her live with him during the week and return her to her parents over the weekends.

Prostitution is, of course, quite legal in the DR - as I believe it should be everywhere in the world, since it is a victimless crime. Only pimping is illegal there.

In LT, the women own their own house which is the way it ought to be done.

However, sex with a minor is not only illegal in the Dominican Republic, it is also punishable under international law against any foreign perpetrator in most of the OCED nations.

This may be ranging a bit off topic from the Baggy Mennonite

but just to give further information on

some of the other cultural differences between the DR
and
say
well
Kansas

or
NYC
 

Africaida

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Another typical Latte Liberal

So - while you may think that your short vacations here have informed you about the reality of life here, I would suggest that you are not as informed as you think that you. The DR is a dangerous place for women - particularly unescorted ones.

Again, with your condescending tone. Of course, you know better.


If she is getting catcalls - it is based on how she is dressing and walking..

So I suggest that you dress WAY Down into sorta "Baggy Mennonite"



We were talking about "catcalling" which is, to me, the same whether we are talking about NYC (outside of your artsy and wealthy Greenwich village bubble of course) and Santo Domingo Despite the cultural differences, it is independent of the way women dress or walk as you suggested. And dressing down will probably still get a woman catcalls if she is reasonably young.

Again would love to hear what someone like Aguaita thinks.
 
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Can we can back on topic ladies please and keep this friendly without any sniping between ourselves? We are talking about culture shock rather than the way we dress. Perhaps someone can start another thread about whether the macho cat calling male behaviour is any different here than in other countries? And if so, is it offensive?

Thanks

Matilda
 

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Again, with your condescending tone. Of course, you know better.


If she is getting catcalls - it is based on how she is dressing and walking..

So I suggest that you dress WAY Down into sorta "Baggy Mennonite"



We were talking about "catcalling" which is, to me, the same whether we are talking about NYC (outside of your artsy and wealthy Greenwich village bubble of course) and Santo Domingo Despite the cultural differences, it is independent of the way women dress or walk as you suggested. And dressing down will probably still get a woman catcalls if she is reasonably young.

Again would love to hear what someone like Aguaita thinks.

OUT OF CONTEXT

Suggest you dress like a mennonite AND GO DOWN TO THE COFFEE SHOP TO OBSERVE

was not a suggestion to ALWAYS DRESS THAT WAY

just to do ONE undercover operation

damn Africa
you are smarter than to Nitpick with me
 

Africaida

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Noted

Can we can back on topic ladies please and keep this friendly without any sniping between ourselves? We are talking about culture shock rather than the way we dress. Perhaps someone can start another thread about whether the macho cat calling male behaviour is any different here than in other countries? And if so, is it offensive?

Thanks

Matilda

Catcalling could be a thread to itself :nervous:

I will keep quiet now.
 

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Let's agree to disagree MA, I may come down on vacation but I live in NYC where catcalls are nearly as common as in DR !

Wisdom ?*roll eyes*

I understand the different dress codes given the areas and the fact that I only come down on vacations doesn't change the fact that women should be able to wear whatever they want.

I -and women in general-get catcalls whether I am dress with my work suit (5 days a week) and I don't walk and talk like some stupid airhead. Of course, if I am going out and dress with leather pants, I get more attention, that 's common sense.

So, I support the ban to baggy Mennonite clothing (besides they still thought you were getting down with the motoconcho) !!!!! :lick:

I agree that you can wear a suit and still get catcalls. Men will also stare at you, if they find you attractive, regardless of what you're wearing. I usually dress conservatively and still get catcalls.
Women can dress like my "evangelica" friend from high school, and still get catcalls and stares. Don't think it matters!

I also don't think you have to modify the way you walk, as you can just be standing on a corner, just waiting to cross the street.
 

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I disagree. I think women are safer here---at least in Sosewage, where I live---than men. BAM!
 

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Again, with your condescending tone. Of course, you know better.


If she is getting catcalls - it is based on how she is dressing and walking..

So I suggest that you dress WAY Down into sorta "Baggy Mennonite"



We were talking about "catcalling" which is, to me, the same whether we are talking about NYC (outside of your artsy and wealthy Greenwich village bubble of course) and Santo Domingo Despite the cultural differences, it is independent of the way women dress or walk as you suggested. And dressing down will probably still get a woman catcalls if she is reasonably young.

Again would love to hear what someone like Aguaita thinks.

Doesn't matter how you dress, what you look like: if you are on sanky prowl, you will be "rewarded." If you are not, you will be invisible. Trust me on this.
 

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I never stayed long enough for culture shock to go through the full cycle.  I stayed a year and left during the frustration phase for a job back home in Canada. Now I’m never back for more than a month at a time.   

What frustrated me the most while living there was probably the heat.  I lived in SD, had AC in my bedroom, but still it got to me every month except December.  I acclimatized a bit, but I liked Cabarete better because I could at least walk to the beach.  
Food was also frustrating.  I like milk, and regular milk is hard to find.  The norm is the boxed UHT milk that I tolerated but it tasted gross.  Cheese also- I like dairy.  A block of cheddar cheese in SD was ridiculously expensive for next to nothing.  I was able to compromise a bit more on the cheese.  Bacon- same as cheese. 10 slices in a box for like 400 pesos- get out of here. And I eat bacon maybe 1x every 2-3 months.  If I ate steak I am sure it would be the same.

Guaguas.  Both good and bad I suppose, I used them ALOT.  Sure the A/C is nice in moderation, but then it gets excessive when it’s on full blast and you have to step out into the dense, thick city heat after travelling 1-2 hours.
Romeo Santos everywhere,  I’m not a fan.  

I had a hard time in the culture that I was part of, wherein the upper class was so far removed from reality.  I’m not saying that is the norm across the island.  That was my experience. That is not to say that Canada is perfect and everyone is aware of and considerate toward those less fortunate (absolutely not).  But the division between rich and poor bothered me.  Volunteering was important for me while I lived there, but so was working and I didn’t have a lot of free time.  
Things I liked- the way the lab system worked.  Much more efficient! My results would be emailed to me!  I found out my
Blood Type and got an Amadita card for maybe 300 pesos. In Canada, I was told I could not find out unless I was in an accident or had a child, despite requiring regular blood work every 6 
Cheap movies and restaurants was great, so I guess that aspect of food was okay. 
 Evenings in SD were also beautiful, with groups of friends.  The malecón in San Pedro was also quite a cultural experience - until the gunshots 30ft from us. When I first spent time there, people would sit out in the street until 11-12pm and enjoy the cool breeze off the ocean.  Neighbors would share music, food, and cool drinks.  On our last visit, nearly everyone was inside, locked up by 9pm.  
Samaná is probably the most romanticized in my mind.  Las Terranas, Las Galeras, so beautiful. 


I could probably go on for awhile.  DR being my second experience adjusting to a new culture.  The first I stayed 10 years and I left in frustration.  In retrospect, I feel a sort of acceptance and appreciation for the experience. I think it will probably always be a sort of love-hate with the DR too.  
 
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I think many have a love-hate relationship with the DR. Things have changed tremendously since I first moved here. Some good and some not so good. The heat will always be one of my hate things. Living in SD traffic is another. However being able to drive a relatively short distance to a beautiful beach, relax in the countryside, etc..is definitely one of my good things. What shocked me when I first came here does not bother me as much, not flushing toilet paper, etc.. I have adapted somewhat to the "no fui yo" or "no se" mentality to a point. Catcalls, that in my mind can happen anywhere, anytime. I do not really believe dress has much to do with it. Men in the DR (not all of course) it seems second nature to them.
 

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Traffic in SD... unbearable.  I re-read my post. Maybe I need to download the app because typing on phone left lots of mistakes even after I edited.  The spacing is atrocious, and somehow I left out entire words.
Anyways, if one of my top complaints was food in a developing country- that’s totally selfish.  Especially because the poverty bothered me. It was one of the first things that came to mind, however.  First world problems need to take a back seat though and I reminded myself of that with my previous post. 
Honestly, I think Romeo Santos everywhere was worse than anything. He sings like he wants to intentionally sound over-auto-tuned and I just can’t stand it.  And obviously there are groups working to help.  Just in my particular experience, the majority of the upper echelon is rather unaware/unconcerned and has a sort of “let them eat cake” mentality.  It happens in Canada too. 
Cat calls are just cultural- you get used to it or you don’t. It bothered me at first, but eventually I just got used to rolling my eyes and continuing on as if they aren’t even there.  If they pursue despite being ignored that annoys me.  If they make eyes or gestures when I am accompanied by my husband, that infuriates me.  I’m sooo tempted to give them the finger, but my manners prevail I haven’t yet.  If I did, I’m sure I would just be some lewd gringa to them.  
 

Meemselle

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And I like my culture to be shocked from time to time. It's good not to get too complacent.

I left a tiny town in Central Massachusetts, moved to Boston, moved to NYC, changed my names, changed my hair color several times, lost weight, gained weight, got married, had a child, got divorced, moved here....

I don't think of it as culture shock; it's all a learning continuum.

Although I do freely admit, there are some distinct cultural-learning experiences in this country......