Delta's Woeful Decision....

Latino2002

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I'm not an expert at anything, if something I'm a very careful and educated investor.

I happen to speak more than Spanish, mostly because I need to communicate with biz associates, clients and others in their own language. As basic as they may be, they carry me well around my duty and needs.

Once you come in contact with people in other countries/culture, you're able to learn more than you ever imagined you could ever do. I happen to travel from a young age and love to keep friends in touch wherever I go.

If you happen to qualify expertise with basic knowledge acquired via social/biz interaction, then be my guest! Either that or get a nose look up, since you can't smell jet fuel for what it is... (I guess you got used to it, like the garbage collectors with their daily routine).

Where the ""hundreds" lose their jobs, new offers may be rolling up the doors as Delta packs away. JetBlue is already doing some extra hiring as well as others soon to fill Delta void as well.

Delta along AA are two of the biggest reasons why the DR-US market was always over priced and under served during our travel surges. They never intended to allow others to profit in that market.

One down two to go...

The rule of the market is that the more players the better for the consumer/clients.

As for dumping, I have a report from the local administration in charge of the STI, where not less than 18 such occurrences are d-e-t-a-i-l-e-d. Got friends in nice places that helped get that. The planes were loaded to full capacity transporting paid for, same day parcels...

But, it was the pigs! Right?!?

The breeders just got tired of stinking the place and folded tent, the piggy went to the market...[/QUOte
I can see you dont have much experience in the Dominican or US aviations.
Delta never care about other companies to enter the DR market..Delta start Operation in STI on may 2005..I was there for a month helping to setup the station, also for you info...delta is not packing away.....they are not closing any station as right now in the DR....
 

PICHARDO

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I think i read an expert opinion (on aviation) yet again......

I hope your friend that told you that jetfuel stinks mayor airports told you everything you posted , he definitely knows his aviation.....

I would like for you to explain all your "knowledge" to the hundreds of people that may loose their jobs come September..... maybe Avianca will hire them all, no, maybe Jetblue when they have 10 daily frequencies to STI and the tickets cost US$1,000.

Yes my friend... Now it really STINKS in STI... It was not the pigs, Its the JETFUEL!!!!!!

Happy Jetting!

STIOP


The pictures taken off from Google earth will allow you to form a basic educated opinion on this matter. Now keep in mind this airport happens to be the one in Puerto Plata "La Union". A cargo jet dumped fuel without permission just about to land into the airport (as the mist would had created telltale for air traffic controllers should they had done it at the proper altitude and distance from the airport).

You can see the fuel that didn't evaporate in the air as the plane did the dumping still floating in close proximity to the airport's coastal area.
I provided two more takes so that the patch of fuel can be located in relation the airport as well

Fuel dumped in the proximity of STI that didn't evaporate properly with the misting action, felled atop greens in the ground and the resulting stink up was the final product of jet fuel coming in contact with flush green vegetation...

Now... I'm not an expert or anything of the sort in this matter, but I have friends with ample knowledge on the field and in the matter that was happening in the airport at the time.

The air authorities and airport mgment. Wouldn?t come clean to the public on this issue no matter what. Why? We all know the way gov works in the DR.

Now... I don't try to shoot your opinion down with personal attacks to your mental capacity or understanding of things, like you did to me with your "Expert" remarks.

I respect the opinions of others and provide enough room to set my opinions accordingly to the issue, no matter how intricate it may be...

Here are the pics as described above (you can see them on your pc by using Google earth and zooming into the area as well):


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PICHARDO

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The patch you see is NOT clouds or image reflections of any kind, in fact the satellite picture was ordered by the local air and airport authorities in the DR to fine the controllers of the plane that committed the unauthorized dumping.

The patch location is NOT where it was located when the dumping took place, the currents took it there; from the time of the dumping to the time the pictured was commissioned to the satellite photographic entity, the patch was tracked using the accordingly measures to set the most likely distance and altitude of the plane when the dumping took place.

In STI, airport authorities were reprimanded and several cargo operators put in notice to the grave consequences of protocol evasion the next time. The dumping was eliminated as such from then on.

The area that was covered with the jet fuel remains laden with toxic agents and additives from such dumping. The area can be traced via aerial photography with ease still today. Jet fuel has an adverse reaction in the ground where it's improperly disposed off. Think the way gasoline or diesel kills vegetation on contact and permeates the ground with toxics that take a long while to dissipate (if ever)...
 

PICHARDO

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I can see you dont have much experience in the Dominican or US aviations.
Delta never care about other companies to enter the DR market..Delta start Operation in STI on may 2005..I was there for a month helping to setup the station, also for you info...delta is not packing away.....they are not closing any station as right now in the DR....

Delta is one the big players in the US and international market... Need I say more about them?

As big players the tactics remain the same, outprice the competition to shut them out from your service market!

As for the DR or overall air industry, I keep a personal opinion and understanding from an investor's point of view and knowledge of such industry...

Delta can't compete fairly in the local market as it is; they never have been able to play it fair! Just as AA they supported their expansion via muscle and push over of smaller operators wherever they came to play ball.

I never explicitly said they were out of the DR market as "out" in kaput, but down from still using their muscle to overtake the smaller or fairly competitive player.

I'm well aware of the air industry and the shortcomings they face in the DR as a whole ever since I was a 20 yo...

One down, two to go (unfair players...LOL)!!!
 

49erman

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I am wondering what is the purpose of doing a fuel dump like this? Especially with the price of oil these days....
 

AZB

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I am wondering what is the purpose of doing a fuel dump like this? Especially with the price of oil these days....

A plane takes off with thousands of pounds of fuel in the wings. if the plane is full of fuel and has to make an emergency landing, its not recommended to land with all the weights on the wings. the reason being, the plane can break up upon touchdown. The tires can explode or worse the wings can break apart. Now lets say if its an emergency and the plane has to land, its a good idea to dump the fuel so the plane can land with minimal fuel so in case if there is a fire upon crash landing it will not be a huge disaster.
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RusitoQbano

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Jet fuel in the DR is not disproportionally taxed in the air industry. Suffices to say that many liners do happen to fuel up in the DR as a transit-by and not as their final destination. Many European liners want the DR to allow their jets to stop and go here to other SA and Caribbean destinations.
Condor is flying FRA SDQ SJO SDQ FRA weekly
 

ccarabella

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fuel dumping

I do not know the circumstances under which that aircraft dumped fuel however there are alternatives to dumping fuel such as delaying the landing to achieve fuel burnoff or by holding at low altitude with the gear down. It is possible to land overweight (within performance landing weight limitations and preferable to dumping fuel) however an overweight landing inspection must be performed and it is lengthy and costly especially if you are using contract maintenance in another country. That is a decision made by the captain in coordination with maintenance and the flight dispatcher.

Many US carriers tanker fuel (add as much fuel as possible for the return flight) into the DR because fuel in DR is much more expensive.

An aircrafts fuel supply is usually only enough to satisfy the FAA regulations and is dependant on the air carriers FAA approved exemptions. The FAA requires:
1. enough fuel to fly and land at the airport to which it was dispatched.
2. to fly and land to the most distant alternate airport (if required).
3. to fly for an addiitonal 45 minutes at normal cruising fuel consumption.

Believe me when I tell you that additional fuel is only added (especially nowadays with the $$$ of fuel) at the discretion of the dispatcher and the captain if factors such as wind, weather, routing or anticipated traffic delays are forecast.
 

xamaicano

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You are happy to see them go and they are leaving, so what is the problem? Like many other markets, Delta and others tried to make money in the DR, the can't so they left. The market isn't viable and there are more profitable routes elsewhere so they left. You are happy and Delta has equipment to expand elsewhere.

Delta is one the big players in the US and international market... Need I say more about them?

As big players the tactics remain the same, outprice the competition to shut them out from your service market!

As for the DR or overall air industry, I keep a personal opinion and understanding from an investor's point of view and knowledge of such industry...

Delta can't compete fairly in the local market as it is; they never have been able to play it fair! Just as AA they supported their expansion via muscle and push over of smaller operators wherever they came to play ball.

I never explicitly said they were out of the DR market as "out" in kaput, but down from still using their muscle to overtake the smaller or fairly competitive player.

I'm well aware of the air industry and the shortcomings they face in the DR as a whole ever since I was a 20 yo...

One down, two to go (unfair players...LOL)!!!
 

Latino2002

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I do not know the circumstances under which that aircraft dumped fuel however there are alternatives to dumping fuel such as delaying the landing to achieve fuel burnoff or by holding at low altitude with the gear down. It is possible to land overweight (within performance landing weight limitations and preferable to dumping fuel) however an overweight landing inspection must be performed and it is lengthy and costly especially if you are using contract maintenance in another country. That is a decision made by the captain in coordination with maintenance and the flight dispatcher.

Many US carriers tanker fuel (add as much fuel as possible for the return flight) into the DR because fuel in DR is much more expensive.

An aircrafts fuel supply is usually only enough to satisfy the FAA regulations and is dependant on the air carriers FAA approved exemptions. The FAA requires:
1. enough fuel to fly and land at the airport to which it was dispatched.
2. to fly and land to the most distant alternate airport (if required).
3. to fly for an addiitonal 45 minutes at normal cruising fuel consumption.

Believe me when I tell you that additional fuel is only added (especially nowadays with the $$$ of fuel) at the discretion of the dispatcher and the captain if factors such as wind, weather, routing or anticipated traffic delays are forecast.

Go get them my Dispatcher Lady