Dominican children held by Migracion

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The fourteen-year-old Dominican twins that I help have been taken away by Migracion for the second time. Obviously, at that age they don't have cedulas. They were in Sabaneta, innocently shopping in a Chinese shop when the Imigracion squad arrived and hauled them off to their truck. The kids' mother arrived a few moments later, explained that they were her children and showed the officers her Dominican cedula. It was to no avail. The Imigracion guys said that was no proof about the kid's legal status and they were taken to the Migracion centre in Santiago.

The following day, the mother's boyfriend, a policeman, went to Santiago with photos of the kids' birth certificates on his phone, but again, they said that was not proof. (I have the original birth certificates for safe keeping but I wasn't available) In fact, the boyfriend was reported to his senior officer when he remonstrated. Eventually, the kids were released after payment of a substantial "propina", but it was a bad and unfair experience for them.

This is not the first time the kids have been detained by Migracion - the first time being in Las Terrenas where they were visiting family. After this first occasion, I tried to have credit card sized copies of the birth certificates laminated, but they were too small to read. So I then gave them laminated full-size copies but they are too big to carry in a pocket. I am now giving them full size paper copies which they can carry folded in their phone covers along with copies of their Dominican passports with photos.

It is terrible that children should be treated in this way just because of their appearance. Some people say that the Dominican authorities read DR1 and in this case I hope it's true, and they can see this and know what is really happening with their so-called just and human rights respecting treatment of people of colour.
 

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The fourteen-year-old Dominican twins that I help have been taken away by Migracion for the second time. Obviously, at that age they don't have cedulas. They were in Sabaneta, innocently shopping in a Chinese shop when the Imigracion squad arrived and hauled them off to their truck. The kids' mother arrived a few moments later, explained that they were her children and showed the officers her Dominican cedula. It was to no avail. The Imigracion guys said that was no proof about the kid's legal status and they were taken to the Migracion centre in Santiago.

The following day, the mother's boyfriend, a policeman, went to Santiago with photos of the kids' birth certificates on his phone, but again, they said that was not proof. (I have the original birth certificates for safe keeping but I wasn't available) In fact, the boyfriend was reported to his senior officer when he remonstrated. Eventually, the kids were released after payment of a substantial "propina", but it was a bad and unfair experience for them.

This is not the first time the kids have been detained by Migracion - the first time being in Las Terrenas where they were visiting family. After this first occasion, I tried to have credit card sized copies of the birth certificates laminated, but they were too small to read. So I then gave them laminated full-size copies but they are too big to carry in a pocket. I am now giving them full size paper copies which they can carry folded in their phone covers along with copies of their Dominican passports with photos.

It is terrible that children should be treated in this way just because of their appearance. Some people say that the Dominican authorities read DR1 and in this case I hope it's true, and they can see this and know what is really happening with their so-called just and human rights respecting treatment of people of colour.
More likely their features than their color. Is their father Dominican?
 

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This is DGI's reaction to a new "Business"
It became very profitable for "Alleged Dominican Fathers" to "rescue" Children from Haitian Women that are about to be deported.
DGI already adapted and is now asking for DNA Paternity Test from all the Dominican Guys that claim that they arrested "their Children".
Back to the article above; No Official Entity is going to accept any Document on a Cellphone.
There is a lot of pressure on DGI Officials to round up as many as possible.
With Trump in Charge, the DR Government can actually do whatever it wants in regards to illegal immigrants and it truly looks like
that they are using this rare and never returning opportunity.
 
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With Trump in Charge, the DR Government can actually do whatever it wants in regards to illegal immigrants and it truly looks like
that they are using this rare and never returning opportunity.
Ridiculous.
Who sold you this fairy tale?

Luis has been very firm about this issue since he first took office at which time The Don was not in control.

Do you not remember back in '22 when Mr. Blinken flew down here and attempted to coerce Luis into opening a refugee center near Punta Cana to house 10,000 Haitian "refugees" and Luis along with the then presidential candidate for the Dominican Revolutionary Party (PRD), Mr. Miguel Vargas Maldonado told his ass to go kick rocks?

Some of you folks are so uninformed about what goes on in this country it truly is amazing somedays.

For years Dominicans living in the campo were registering Haitian children at the local campo office for as little as a few thousand pesos. This problem is nothing new and unfortunately young children are stuck having to deal with the repercussions.
 

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The fourteen-year-old Dominican twins that I help have been taken away by Migracion for the second time. Obviously, at that age they don't have cedulas. They were in Sabaneta, innocently shopping in a Chinese shop when the Imigracion squad arrived and hauled them off to their truck. The kids' mother arrived a few moments later, explained that they were her children and showed the officers her Dominican cedula. It was to no avail. The Imigracion guys said that was no proof about the kid's legal status and they were taken to the Migracion centre in Santiago.

The following day, the mother's boyfriend, a policeman, went to Santiago with photos of the kids' birth certificates on his phone, but again, they said that was not proof. (I have the original birth certificates for safe keeping but I wasn't available) In fact, the boyfriend was reported to his senior officer when he remonstrated. Eventually, the kids were released after payment of a substantial "propina", but it was a bad and unfair experience for them.

This is not the first time the kids have been detained by Migracion - the first time being in Las Terrenas where they were visiting family. After this first occasion, I tried to have credit card sized copies of the birth certificates laminated, but they were too small to read. So I then gave them laminated full-size copies but they are too big to carry in a pocket. I am now giving them full size paper copies which they can carry folded in their phone covers along with copies of their Dominican passports with photos.

It is terrible that children should be treated in this way just because of their appearance. Some people say that the Dominican authorities read DR1 and in this case I hope it's true, and they can see this and know what is really happening with their so-called just and human rights respecting treatment of people of colour.
“The following day, the mother's boyfriend, a policeman, went to Santiago with photos of the kids' birth certificates on his phone, but again, they said that was not proof.”

That makes sense. The document on the cellphone could be easily manipulated.
 
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What good is a copy of a birth certificate? It could be any kids birth certificate and copies can easily be altered.
The digital world in a nutshell.
Anyone who says otherwise is ignorant or lying. Take a peek at the darkweb and you'll see what I'm talking about. It's scarey.
 
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Ridiculous.
Who sold you this fairy tale?

Luis has been very firm about this issue since he first took office at which time The Don was not in control.

Do you not remember back in '22 when Mr. Blinken flew down here and attempted to coerce Luis into opening a refugee center near Punta Cana to house 10,000 Haitian "refugees" and Luis along with the then presidential candidate for the Dominican Revolutionary Party (PRD), Mr. Miguel Vargas Maldonado told his ass to go kick rocks?

Some of you folks are so uninformed about what goes on in this country it truly is amazing somedays.

For years Dominicans living in the campo were registering Haitian children at the local campo office for as little as a few thousand pesos. This problem is nothing new and unfortunately young children are stuck having to deal with the repercussions.
If the US (Trump) tells your Friend "Luis" to wear a pink Skirt in Office he will do so.
In other unrelated cases. The DR can hide or protect their corrupt officials for century's.
If "Uncle Sam" nicely ask for any General (for example) that is involved in Drug Trafficking etc., the very same crock is in the airplane within 24 hours.
You seem to be the "Uninformed" ! The Power the US have over a Country like the DR is indescribable.
They do not need to make a big threatening speech, enough to advise the US Consulate to issue 50% lesser VISAS to DR Citizens and all Hell break loose.
And I'm not a US Citizen.
 

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If the US (Trump) tells your Friend "Luis" to wear a pink Skirt in Office he will do so.
In other unrelated cases. The DR can hide or protect their corrupt officials for century's.
If "Uncle Sam" nicely ask for any General (for example) that is involved in Drug Trafficking etc., the very same crock is in the airplane within 24 hours.
You seem to be the "Uninformed" ! The Power the US have over a Country like the DR is indescribable.
They do not need to make a big threatening speech, enough to advise the US Consulate to issue 50% lesser VISAS to DR Citizens and all Hell break loose.
And I'm not a US Citizen.
That's all fine and dandy. You make some good points however we ain't talking about pink skirts, drug trafficking or visas. We're talking about Luis' stance towards the Haitian problem which is having an uninttended effect on some Dominican kids who look Haitian.

Interestingly enough, I'd say about one/third of the police force here in Santiago looks Haitian.
 
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This is DGI's reaction to a new "Business"
It became very profitable for "Alleged Dominican Fathers" to "rescue" Children from Haitian Women that are about to be deported.
DGI already adapted and is now asking for DNA Paternity Test from all the Dominican Guys that claim that they arrested "their Children".
Back to the article above; No Official Entity is going to accept any Document on a Cellphone.
There is a lot of pressure on DGI Officials to round up as many as possible.
With Trump in Charge, the DR Government can actually do whatever it wants in regards to illegal immigrants and it truly looks like
that they are using this rare and never returning opportunity.
"With Trump in charge"? I don't see what he has to do with this, but the DR government are certainly copying his methods.
 

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“The following day, the mother's boyfriend, a policeman, went to Santiago with photos of the kids' birth certificates on his phone, but again, they said that was not proof.”

That makes sense. The document on the cellphone could be easily manipulated.
Right, but that was all they had and I wasn't around to provide the original birth certificates. Remember, the mother was desperate (naturally) to get her children back and was just doing anything she could.
 

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I thought they didn't deport minors. What gives?
Haven't you seen the photos on Migracion trucks loaded with people - some of them children. I am sure children may be left alone in some cases, but in this case, the kids being fourteen, they are nearly fully grown, although I certainly wouldn't mistake them for adults.
 

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it didn't happen
What didn't happen? You are right that the kids weren't deported, but they were detained and taken to Migracion cells and a payment demanded for their release. Or are you telling me that the whole thing didn't happen? It isn't the first time it has happened to these children but then nor is it the first time you have called me a liar if that is what you are doing.
 
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What good is a copy of a birth certificate? It could be any kids birth certificate and copies can easily be altered.
Right, and that is why I am now giving them copies of their passports, with their photos to carry around with them to back up their identities. It would be crazy to expect fourteen-year-old kids to carry their original birth certificates and passports and it shouldn't be necessary.
 

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What didn't happen? You are right that the kids weren't deported, but they were detained and taken to Migracion cells and a payment demanded for their release. Or are you telling me that the whole thing didn't happen? It isn't the first time it has happened to these children but then nor is it the first time you have called me a liar if that is what you are doing.
As soon as the teenagers opened their mouth the officers can tell they are Dominican. Didn't you tell a story about a Dominican woman on the malecon that was detained several times by agents as well.... weird!!