Dominican Work Ethic

[Escott]

Stop bothering this fellow with facts. These are just BS abstractions to him.

Do you know why Dominicans Cross themselves so often?

They are actually saying under their breaths while doing this.

"How can I get thru this day with a full belly without using this, this, this or this."

LOL

 

[mondongo]

great post, pasha.....truly the words of a wise man.

 

[pasha]

Thanks, I'm blushing....

great post, pasha.....truly the words of a wise man.

since usually it's the words of a wise ass. Best, P

 

[ltsnyder]

I think you people need . . . . . .

That is, Escott, Ken, Tony unfortunately even goatfarmnga . . .
need to associate with more Dominicans, if you think Dominicans are lazy in any way then you need to make an effort to meet more. I don't know who you all know, or how you choose who to associate with, but either your not seeing it or your associating with people who are lazy, or maybe it's just you. I assure you all the Dominicans I know work hard and while I can't exactly say success always follows hard work, I assure you the work ethic is there.

Does any one have any personal examples that do not involve govenment workers? I'm real curious about the examples you might give. For all of you your anger seem to show that this is a person issue with personal anger. I don't see this being discussed abstractly.

As for Pam, I don't think you should give any leeway for what these people are saying, they have a bone to pick and I want to find out what personally happened to them.

Ok , I remember on example X gave, he said he waited on line with his pregnant wife at "Codetel" (I think) and he said that when he got to the front of the line, the lady told him either to wait on another line or fill out a form and go to the end of the line, and when he got back in his car with his wife he stated that his wife was ready to leave him (not for anything he did).

One more X example, he was at a hardware store and he felt every one was ignoring him (as he states it , they were), he left with a parting act of flashing money and stating that this is what he was going to spend.

Any one else want to add an example?

-Lee

 

[Chirimoya]

I too could come up with many examples of the most frustrating inefficiency, lack of initiative and imagination on the part of shop assistants and public employees, but I would say that they belong to another breed that knows no frontiers or nationality.

Think instead of the elderly gentleman pedalling his ancient tricycle around the mad streets of the capital, selling sugarcane, fruit or collecting used bottles. How many of you would survive more than 30 seconds in those conditions? Or the woman who helps me at home? Twice a week she comes and works solidly and efficiently for about seven or eight hours, I have to plead with her to have a coffee break in the morning and later to stop for lunch. The rest of the week she works for my sisters in law. Fancy changing places with someone like that? What about campesina women whose working day starts before dawn, and consists of the sort of chores that for most of us only exist in history books? More than one of my Dominican friends hold down two poorly paid jobs e.g. one works in an office all day and then has to rush across the city to teach English for a couple of hours in the evening, she also happens to be a single parent of two children. Not to mention all the farm labourers and builders, even the dreaded bus, concho and taxi drivers, working for peanuts in this sweltering climate.

My Dominican family contains some positive and negative examples of the work ethic. The positive ones, I am happy to say, are in the majority. The greatest hope for me is with the three eldest members of my son's generation. All are at university and work their butts off in jobs that are not very well paid, and then spend the evening attending classes. They have little or no social life, and the money they earn goes to cover their fees and to contribute to household expenses. Most of the students I remember from my university days in the UK (myself included) would have never lasted through the three year course in those conditions: we were there for the social life, the studies were just an excuse, and if any of us had jobs they were very very part time affairs.

These people take the work ethic to new dimensions. These are the comparisons we should be making!

Chiri

 

[ltsnyder]

Ken that was very informative . . . . . .

I feel we are almost there, to making a positive statement that we all can agree on.

I have not said in this forum or in any other forum that Dominicans in general are lazy. I can say, from observation, that most Dominicans trying to make a small business will work very hard to be successful.
- Ken

Tony C, Escott, X can we all agree to the quoted statement above. Criss C, Pib, Anna, or Robert feel free to join in and say you agree with the quote also, I think it is important for all of us to make a positive unambiguous statement to let all know where we stand on the issue.

Ken I feel you still have not given a personal example, tell me what one of these hotel workers did that made you feel they had a bad work ethic.

-Lee

 

[Ken]

Ken I feel you still have not given a personal example, tell me what one of these hotel workers did that made you feel they had a bad work ethic.

I think I will save my examples until someone like Solomon asks for them. Until then, I do not think it is necessary for me to give examples for you to pass judgement on.

BTW, maybe you should clarify what is meant by 16 years on and off.

 

[bob saunders]

Re: Ken that was very informative . . . . . .

I feel we are almost there, to making a positive statement that we all can agree on.



Tony C, Escott, X can we all agree to the quoted statement above. Criss C, Pib, Anna, or Robert feel free to join in and say you agree with the quote also, I think it is important for all of us to make a positive unambiguous statement to let all know where we stand on the issue.

Ken I feel you still have not given a personal example, tell me what one of these hotel workers did that made you feel they had a bad work ethic.

-Lee

SO, lee, why is it important to make to make a positive statement we can all agree on. People have strong opinions on this subject, so why should there be agreement, and why does it have to be positive. Many expatriats living in the DR are frustrated by the " manana " attitude of Dominicans when they are trying to get work done. My wife, as a Dominican business owner, has fired many people for their attitude as well as work ethic, but at the same time she will be the first to give examples of hard working Dominicans. Tell us, what are your qualifications for being an expert on Dominican work ethic.

 

[doquinto]

Salidos......

me gustaria saber la nacionalidad de todos ustedes....... para sacarle todo lo malo k tiene sus paises......... yo soy Dominicano........ y si sacamos todos los problemas y toda las malas costumbre de todos los pueblos del mundo...... c daran cuenta k la RD es la k menos problemas tiene y la k menos cosas tiene d k sentir verguenza........

 

[goatfarmnga]

Re: Re: Yep..

Ahem. If there weren't so many people spewing it out, there wouldn't be any need for workers to clean it up, either. 'Nuff said.

Good night, all.

Tom (aka XR)

Ha Ha Tom.. PAM

No one will agree that every Dominican has a good work ethic..But I know that living in the conditions some seem to live in...if they were in America they would just sit on their asses and live off the government..I think the fact that so many people "Hussle" to make a living in the DR that there are LOTS of Dominican people with great work ethics...
Survival is what it is...Some are willing to work harder than others to have more..point blank...That is true all over the world! Just be happy so many are willing to clean homes etc..in the US it costs more for one day of cleaning than most pay for a month in the DR... PAM

 

[calamardoazul]

ZZZZZZZZZ

This thread is getting more and more boring where the hell are Linamia, Gallorojo, el general paulino, Chris, Crhiss Colon (especially you, we need your witty remarks)

 

[Escott]

Re: I think you people need . . . . . .

That is, Escott, Ken, Tony unfortunately even goatfarmnga . . .
need to associate with more Dominicans, if you think Dominicans are lazy in any way then you need to make an effort to meet more. I don't know who you all know, or how you choose who to associate with, but either your not seeing it or your associating with people who are lazy, or maybe it's just you. I assure you all the Dominicans I know work hard and while I can't exactly say success always follows hard work, I assure you the work ethic is there.
-Lee

You dont know shit about who anyone knows. YOu just want attention. You are a lefty know nothing that has a lot to say about everything that doesn't have a clue.

Here is your center of attention...

 

[Escott]

From what I've noticed. When a person has a job that pays monthly they seem to slack a bit. They maybe feel secure. They know they'er getting $4000 a month doing what they do, arn't going to get more no matter how much effort they put in to it or how many hours they work overtime. So why should they care.

On the other hand when a person is working for themselves or get work incentive bonuses they seem to work harder. I

Not even close. You cant get people to work in a reasonable manner from my experience in the DR even if they work for themselves. I don't deal with hotel workers like the dope suggested but working people with their own businesses.

NO WORK ETHIC.

 

[Tony C]

Lee,

Lets clarify some things for you.

I have had a relationship with the DR since 1976
I have lived in the DR
I have worked in the DR
I have owned businesses in the DR
I still frequent the DR
I have spent time in both the Cities and the Campo
I am Married to a Dominican
I have both rich and poor Dominican Friends.
I am Latin and speak the language.

When I say that Dominicans have a lazy work ethic I am generalizing. There are Hard working Dominicans but they are out numbered by Lazy Dominicans. I can give you 100's of cases that back me up but why bother? You just want to hear positive things and feel good about yourself.
Here is something positive just for you!
I am POSITIVE that Dominicans have a terrible work ethic!!!!

 

[Texas Bill]

To All;

I think it incumbent on us all to realize tat the judgements we make are couched in generalizations that are mentally formed over an extended period of time.

Let me clarify even further.

We tend to accept what we view as our standards and ignore (play down) that which we view as sub-standard.

We, as a group, are focusing on those elements that we view as sub-standard and refering to them as a general observation of the norm. We are citing examples of conduct which support a generally denigration of Dominicans while ignoring the positive examples. I've been guilty of this on this thread, myself, and apologize for doing so.

All in all, the generalizations have been supported by mostly negative examples, but there have been quite a number of allusions to the contrary.

Experience teaches us that what is observed should be analysed for deviations to the perceived norm. I think we have missed doing this in our efforts to support our own preceptions.

So, folks, maybe we should "fall back and regroup" and really analyze what we're saying.

Does that make sense???

Texas Bill

 

[calamardoazul]

Wow Texas Bill

Wow , Texas Bill I'm perplexed . The first poster to acknowledge the fact of the paradigms in others words, the "philosophical and theoretical framework of a scientific school or discipline within which theories, laws, and generalizations and the experiments performed in support of them are formulated"
Maybe we all are prejudiced in some form , in other words we in some way have "(1) : preconceived judgments or opinions
(2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge
3) : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics"..

Just "Analyze This"

 

[Larry]

thats what wrong with people these days

Nobody can relay their experiences or opinions without being physcho-analyzed or accused of prefomed predjudice . As a non-participent in this thread (up to this point anyway) I saw it as a series of opinions backed up by experiences with a little mudslinging thrown in at various points. Nothing more and nothnig less.Some people read way too far into things.
Larry

 

[Criss Colon]

"Its A Small World",or,"What Are The Odds?"

I'm in Santiago over the weekend,so I decide to "Take Economic Advantage" of a pretty young Dominican girl!!! "What A Country!"
I go over by "El Monumento" to see what is walking around! I see the most beautiful"18" year old girl selling flowers.I decide to use one of my "Best" pick-up lines! "Hey,wanna F**k for a few hundred pesos??"That one almost NEVER fails!!!
She says yes,and do I want to do it with her leaning against a tree,or on the ground?
I said in the Hotel Matum!!!
She was GREAT!Time after time! Later we began to talk,and she said she wanted a "Better Life" but it was hard.She said that her brother had a job cleaning out the toilets for "Auto Germanica"! I asked her if he was a real jerk,who blamed all his problems on others.She said "Yes He Is!"
She went on to say that he had stolen a computer where he cleaned toilets and had begun posting on DR1! (How Cool Is THAT?)
I asked if he was using the "name" of "f1mylife" on DR1,and she said "YES"! (Un real!)
I said that I had read some of his posts,and that just like all Dominicans,he could not accept criticism,or fault,and was gealous of all Americans! "Thats My Big Brother" she said!!

Well, it came time to give her the 200 pesos I had promissed her.You know what? She refused to take any money!!! She said that she had been with lots of men,including her brother,and never experienced orgasm after orgasm as she had with me! She said that if she had any money,she would pay me!
What are the odds on that one???
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For those who have taken this story as "Gospel",I offer a....
disclaimer:This story is taken directly from my vivid imagination! Don't try this at home,I AM a professional!

I did get a fabulous "BJ" in my sto.dgo.apt. yesterday !!!!

 

[goatfarmnga]

Re: "Its A Small World",or,"What Are The Odds?"

She said that if she had any money,she would pay me!
What are the odds on that one???
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Time to put the waders on... CC you are too much..I would love to give your posts to an expert to analyze..I am sure they would freak out..LOL PAM

 

[pasha]

Re: "Its A Small World",or,"What Are The Odds?"

She said that if she had any money,she would pay me!

This story sounds spurious...... if it were true, she would've offered you some flowers in lieu of money.

Hmmmm, P