DR to be first country in the region to have a charging station for electric vehicles

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Nissan Leaf.

Shipping costs vary depending on purchase point. The larger problem is now finding them at a reasonable price used. The cost basis on the last 12 I shipped was an average $10,200 per vehicle with an average shipping cost of $1,300 per car. All went to a tourist project in the east with special government tax reduction incentives for being a) part of a tourist project and b) full electric vehicles.


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Do you assist people with bringing in a single ATV? Or do you mostly handle imports of large fleets of cars etc?
If you handle ATV's for individual customers, how much would it cost to import one from NYC to SDQ, taxes, shipping, your fee and any other bribes? ATV cost of around $10,000, newer than 5 years old.
 
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Do you assist people with bringing in a single ATV? Or do you mostly handle imports of large fleets of cars etc?
If you handle ATV's for individual customers, how much would it cost to import one from NYC to SDQ, taxes, shipping, your fee and any other bribes? ATV cost of around $10,000, newer than 5 years old.
I only provide assistance as a trusted intermediary between buyer and seller and only as to automobiles. That having been said, my knowledge base and contacts within the automotive industry are fairly extensive and these transfers, although infrequent, allow me to get back to the Island on a fairly regular basis.

With the large amounts of money changing hands and with so much unscrupulous behavior in the automotive business, both parties rely on my expertise to a) make sure they get paid and b) make sure they get what they paid for.

Based on what I do know involving ATV's, jet skis (aka personal watercraft) and the like, it is generally thought to not be worth it unless you can bring them in under a reduced tax scheme regimen.


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chico bill

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Everybody jumping on the EV hype train.
A few things to consider.
An EV involved in even a minor fender bender in the US is totaled (Maybe some of those will ship to DR?)
A 10 year old EV is for all practical purposes of no value.
They are not good in cold or hot climates.
There is not enough cobalt in the world for EVs to replace internal combustion engines.
It takes 25 minutes to fully charge a Tesla on a supercharger - Will you have time to find and wait to charge your EV? Likely most chargers won't be super so you might be there for over an hour.
 

chico bill

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In my experience with the electrical grid in the Dominican Republic...

My Dominican friends accept that "it is what it is"...as do I.
They endure the interruptions in service and the prices.
Those who can afford it take matters into their own hands provide back up power in case of outages or in some cases grid tied solar power generation systems.
So, I am unsure if there is really going to be a push for electrical improvement as long things don't get worse than they are.

On the other hand...
Rest assured that the new charging stations will not have any problems with electrical interruptions from the grid.
And if they do they will have the systems in place to deal with it.
Yes like Diesel powered generators?

Think of the absurdity of this.
Most all of electricity generated in DR is coal or diesel some natural gas - all fossil fuels.
While you are giving yourself virtue-signaling stickers for saving the Climate use some reason. .
If your a true believer spend another $30 K after you get your $80K EV on solar panels and big battery banks to charge it at home.
Oh and save to replace those expensive storage batteries in 6 years.
It doesn't make economics sense.
 
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You don't need 30K to charge a EV at home with a solar panel array.
Which is what I plan to do.
It makes complete economic sense.
To me.
But not if you can't afford jack.

Energy self sufficiency for me is priceless

I spend what I need to accomplish my goals and objectives.
It is not absurd.
It does not require a "belief" system.
It is simple physics.

#30 seems to me like convoluted reasoning...
It a problem with burning fossil fuels to generate electricity?
Do you have a problem with green energy?
Do you have a problem that may people are willing to pay for what they want in life and they don't see things your way or even care?
(insert the "I know I don't" emoji here)
Do you actually know the cost of replacement of a battery pack after 10 years?
With a presentation of accurate numbers you can proffer the idea "It does not make economic sense" and have it be more than just a random opinion.


Off topic:
Anyone who knows anything about producing electric for a grid knows that 100 renewable energy does not cut it.
You need fossils fuels or nuclear to provide a base level generation and for peak demand.
Anyone think of the absurdity of putting nuclear reactors on sea going military vessels that are going goto the bottom of the sea in the event of war?
But we don't want nuclear reactors to generate power on land?
 

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You don't need 30K to charge a EV at home with a solar panel array.
Which is what I plan to do.
It makes complete economic sense.
To me.
But not if you can't afford jack.

Energy self sufficiency for me is priceless

I spend what I need to accomplish my goals and objectives.
It is not absurd.
It does not require a "belief" system.
It is simple physics.

#30 seems to me like convoluted reasoning...
It a problem with burning fossil fuels to generate electricity?
Do you have a problem with green energy?
Do you have a problem that may people are willing to pay for what they want in life and they don't see things your way or even care?
(insert the "I know I don't" emoji here)
Do you actually know the cost of replacement of a battery pack after 10 years?
With a presentation of accurate numbers you can proffer the idea "It does not make economic sense" and have it be more than just a random opinion.


Off topic:
Anyone who knows anything about producing electric for a grid knows that 100 renewable energy does not cut it.
You need fossils fuels or nuclear to provide a base level generation and for peak demand.
Anyone think of the absurdity of putting nuclear reactors on sea going military vessels that are going goto the bottom of the sea in the event of war?
But we don't want nuclear reactors to generate power on land?
What Green energy is actually green.
 

chico bill

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You don't need 30K to charge a EV at home with a solar panel array.
Which is what I plan to do.
It makes complete economic sense.
To me.
But not if you can't afford jack.

Energy self sufficiency for me is priceless

I spend what I need to accomplish my goals and objectives.
It is not absurd.
It does not require a "belief" system.
It is simple physics.

#30 seems to me like convoluted reasoning...
It a problem with burning fossil fuels to generate electricity?
Do you have a problem with green energy?
Do you have a problem that may people are willing to pay for what they want in life and they don't see things your way or even care?
(insert the "I know I don't" emoji here)
Do you actually know the cost of replacement of a battery pack after 10 years?
With a presentation of accurate numbers you can proffer the idea "It does not make economic sense" and have it be more than just a random opinion.


Off topic:
Anyone who knows anything about producing electric for a grid knows that 100 renewable energy does not cut it.
You need fossils fuels or nuclear to provide a base level generation and for peak demand.
Anyone think of the absurdity of putting nuclear reactors on sea going military vessels that are going goto the bottom of the sea in the event of war?
But we don't want nuclear reactors to generate power on land?
When you get yours built let us know the full cost.

With sufficient batteries for providing storage of your solar panel power, a solar controller system and ~10 mid-size solar panels + the cabling and at least a Level 2 charger and then paying for an electrician you will be looking at least $25K.

My friend, who is an electrician, just bought a Lucid Air and is currently putting in a Level 2 charger at his California home and he figures it will cost him $14K if he does the install himself without a solar system, just a 220 volt feed from commercial power to the Level 2.
A Level 2 will give you about 20-30 miles of range per hour.

If you want a Level 3 which gives about 10-15 miles per minute of charging and a solar system you will be well over $40K.
Also no mater what system you chose batteries that are storing solar energy will not give you the same range/minute of charging as commercial feed to the charger.

Hyundai had a solar rooftop that added 3 miles of range per day for its Ioniq 5. If you could live with 3 miles a day ?

As for battery replacement in a Tesla after 10 years, or at any time outside the warranty period - it will be near $20K and that is one of the cheaper cars to service the battery.

If you want to drive a Ford Lightning the cost could be as high as $40,000.

More power to you (no pun intended) if you want to be 'self-sufficient', and you have boat loads of money to pay for it - I applaud that
 
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chico bill

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A finite resource​

Governments and industries are racing to secure mining rights and reserves due to the inevitable expansion of lithium-ion battery demand. One of the primary sources is the “Lithium Triangle,” which encompasses Chile, Argentina, Bolivia, and, more recently, Peru.

The demand for lithium, driven by batteries, is expected to increase astronomically by 2030, and electric vehicles alone are expected to account for more than 70% of that demand. And these are conservative estimates. President Biden’s pick for Energy Secretary, former Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm, is expected to push for an electric vehicle uptick in the American marketplace. Currently, an average electric vehicle needs around 20 pounds of lithium. If we want a million electric vehicles produced a year in the United States, that would require in excess of 50,000 tons of lithium. The problem is that in 2019, globally, only 77,000 metric tons of lithium were produced. This million car scenario does not take into account laptops, cellphones, and of course, other countries. A massive increase in extraction and production will be needed to satisfy a growing demand for electric vehicles. There are many things, not green about green energy.
All this begs the question.
Will the cost of batteries become even more wildly expensive as minerals become less readily available ?

I believe that will indeed be the case - so and I think EVs will get only more unaffordable as places like nutty the California Air Recourse Board prohibit the sale of gasoline and diesel vehicles by 2035.I am certain DR will never make such a ridiculous requirement
 
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One has to wonder what produces more fossil fuel pollution, millions of vehicles or thousands of power plants.
COAL vs Gas powered vehicles https://www.nationalobserver.com/2021/10/26/analysis/dirty-energy-coal-vs-cars#:~:text=Gasoline cars and trucks, in comparison, pump around,power plants for the same amount of energy.:

 
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Everybody jumping on the EV hype train.
A few things to consider.
An EV involved in even a minor fender bender in the US is totaled (Maybe some of those will ship to DR?)
A 10 year old EV is for all practical purposes of no value.
They are not good in cold or hot climates.
There is not enough cobalt in the world for EVs to replace internal combustion engines.
It takes 25 minutes to fully charge a Tesla on a supercharger - Will you have time to find and wait to charge your EV? Likely most chargers won't be super so you might be there for over an hour.
A 10 year old retail Tesla Model S still trade hands in the $20,000 range.
They are not good in cold or hot climates.
They are good in any climate but like ice vehicles they also experience mileage degradation in extreme heat/cold.

There is not enough cobalt in the world for EVs to replace internal combustion engines.
Manufacturers are looking at Lithium Ion replacements so called LFP technology.



It takes 25 minutes to fully charge a Tesla on a supercharger - Will you have time to find and wait to charge your EV? Likely most chargers won't be super so you might be there for over an hour.


Certainly that is a consideration if you are on the road and need to charge. But unlike its ICE brethren, most EV owners have charging options at home. And given that the average daily use of an EV does not involve a charge away from home, they have been able to gain wider acceptance even in the DR.

Speaking of which, one of my client car dealers is shipping a new Ford F-150 lightning to the DR. In and to itself that is not news, but he intends to use the reverse power capability to power his home during electric outages. It is called Ford Intelligent Backup Power. Assuming the vehicle is fully charged, Ford's IBP can power a home for several days of normal usage.

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