Exit Overstay - Nope

[william webster]

Yesterday - Apr 21 @ POP

I left after a Nov 1 / 2014 arrival ( I'm a resident)

The computer flagged for the overstay and they took my passport and tarjeta to another terminal to input my info.
I asked if the system would 'remember' my resident status for the future but nobody seemed to know.
In theory, once they enter you as 'resident', you're good forever..... maybe!!??

Yes, they stamped me out - but 'what for?' - its all in the system now
the stamp is redundant .

I will try to check on re-entry if I am now a 'registered' resident.

 

[zoomzx11]

lots of stuff is broken here. Its one of the charms of the country when you get used to it. If I wanted everything to be perfect I would move to Cananda.

 

[franco1111]

DR has a residency based system like 99% of the rest of the world-so if you reside over 183 days in the country, then the presumption is that you are a resident. What the gubbie shill fails to point out is that there is no incentive for U.S. Citizens and Residents to go through the DR residency process, because it does not change anything in terms of U.S. tax liabilities-since based on citizenship vs. residency.

But it does change tax liabilities here sometimes here. So, it seems that those who do not wish to pay taxes on some things should take advantage.

 

[william webster]

Offshore income
Sr Guzman reported here , himself , a while back, that the law exists but is not being enforced currently.

RD has tax treaties with several countries - Canada included .

The future remains the future at this juncture.

 

[tommeyers]

The Overstay Fees are CLEARLY POSTED at PUJ for ALL to see and pay as they leave the country. They scan your passport and if it indicates you are Overstay, then your passport is held until you pay the overstay payment based on the number of months past your Visa/Tourist Card allows. They give you a computerized receipt for any amount you pay. Very simple, concise and legal procedures. Pay up and Shut up--you enjoyed (?) your stay.

If it is so easy then why don't they ask for the fee? I guess that although we all know the price, procedures .... someone at the airport didn't get the memo. Too much work? Too complicayed?

 

[MikeFisher]

Mike...guess we're just very fortunate to live in P.C. and have Grupo Punta Cana to look-out after our interests by providing the necessary services and equipment at the PUJ!

while the desks are provided by Grupo Punta Cana, Immigrations staff is the same government workers as at every other airport and port. but yes, the owners of the PC airport are usually up to date with the stuff in place, but the computer systems fail the same often as elsewhere, hence around easter week the lineups for the immigrations counters upon arrivals been horrendously loooong.

Mike

 

[CaptnGlenn]

I come in and out about 3-4 times a year, and only once was the exit fee waived. And I was in a wheelchair.

what's the wheelchair got to do with paying the appropriate taxes / fees?

 

[Harleysrock]

what's the wheelchair got to do with paying the appropriate taxes / fees?

They made my wife pay more than she was supposed to when she went in a wheelchair. Haha

 

[CaptnGlenn]

They made my wife pay more than she was supposed to when she went in a wheelchair. Haha

Sounds about par for the course. You had to make up for all the people who got through no charge. :-(

 

[dv8]

i think that the current glitches in the system people experience are somewhat without value, even thou they all make for an interesting story. it has already been reported that the immigration is attempting to install new computerized system so expect a lot more fcukups before it gets sorted out. or maybe: if it gets sorted out. in any case, i am curious to see whether it will bring a permanent change. and how joyful the travel with new immigration system will be. i cannot imagine all airport staff is versed in computer use.

 

[Salsafan]

Well, have to plan still more time for departures. At least at the SDQ there's a massage salon after the immigration, if one needs to relax ;-)

 

[Cdn_Gringo]

Right now consistency is missing. Not all airports are dealing with this in the same way.

It would appear that the software that spits out the overstay fines is either not working yet at all airports or not working on a given day. I think the Dominican Immigration workers are smart enough to realize that when the system is working any money collected needs to balance with the cash count at the end of the day as reported by the computer.

My guess is that what some are seeing at some airports on some days. is a last ditch feeding frenzy of pocket stuffing before this practice becomes very difficult to pull off. I don't think any cash that gets placed "temporarily" in a pocket ever makes it to the cash drawer, thus the reluctance in some cases to issue a receipt for the payment or in some cases an exit stamp in a passport.

If the person working the desk stamping passports is not inclined to play along or not receiving any of the money, why would they stamp a passport without a receipt? it looks like people who paid "pocket money" need to be walked around the desks and then sent on their way. Those demanding receipts are kept waiting for them because the pocket suffers know that most travelers won't press the issue if it results in any sort of delay.

 

[rubio_higuey]

One of the reason you become a resident is to follow the law ( Although, I admit it can be vaguely applied in the DR). I believe you need to establish residence to get health care NOT TRUE, a valid driver's license TRUEand car insurance NOT TRUE, I may be incorrect but it may be need to own or sell property NOT TRUE, open a valid business NOT TRUE, get a cell phone in your name NOT TRUE, turn on the power to house NOT TRUE.

You don't need residency for anything of the above but the Driver's License.

 

[ray718]

Rubio_higuey,
I am not living in DR as a full time resident. I merely do my 30 days as a tourist, and if I overstay I pay the fine. Although, If I pay I demand the reciept. I am sure there are a lot of things you can do and not do without a residence card. My point is simple if you are live in the DR for more than the tourist visa allows you to be legally in the country-you should follow the law of your host country. Living in the DR past a certain number of days, you are no longer a tourist-you have becomed ingrained into the community, and should act accordingly. Just my thoughts, everyone is entitled to do what he or she likes to do.
ray718

 

[drSix]

Well Ray, ya can't say I didn't try

They don't want me here... And, I:

Rent a house
Own a car in my name
Pay my electric
Pay my cable
Have a local cell phone
Have Dominican car and health insurance
My wife volunteered and now has a job here, for an NGO, helping poor Dominicans
My daughter goes to preschool
My kids go to school
Employ a nanny who supports her family on the income
Employ a gardener
Drink Brugal and Presedente
Ride in carros publicos
Go to the beach
Eat Chicken, Rice, and Habichuelas
Visit our favorite watering whole in the Campo
Buy things at Colmados
Go to local, Dominican owned, restaurants
Purchase our food at Dominican owned grocery stores
Visit parks and attractions
Pay a ridiculous amount of taxes via ITBIS
And spend the occasional night dancing bachata (poorly mind you) and drinking cuba libres.

Oh yea. And, we are learning how to speaka de espanol! Doing pretty good too!

You have epically failed to make any point at all in this thread. I am ingrained in my community, self sufficient, pay dearly to live here, help Dominicans when I can and they don't want me, legal or otherwise. GTFO Ray.

 

[ray718]

Dr six,
No need to insult one another. I feel for your plight. I don't make the rules the DR government makes the rules. Like I said in the beginning of the tread-I do not have to apply for residence, as I am fortunate enough to get it through birth right. As Canadian_gringo has said, you need to examine what visas will be necessary for your situation. It was mentioned in the tread that DR is still working on solving this whole immigration crisis with the visas. I believe if you apply, and follow all the requirements for the visa, you and your family will not be denied the residence. From what you stated, you are a active participant in the community, and are partaking in the culture, paying taxes, and being a active participant of the community. In addition, I appreciate the work your wife has chosen to do for DR. Does it cost to get residency? Yes, but you ultimately decide if the price is to your liking. I salute you, and wish you enjoy many more cold presidentes, rice and beans. By the way, I am still trying to figure out the bachata thing.

ray718

 

[Criss Colon]

I have NEVER been denied ANYTHING in the DR in 30 years because I have no residency, and am an illegal here.
I worked for the DR government for 10 years.
I have a gringo friend from NYC who is a Dominican citizen, has a gun permit, a Dominican cedula,and can vote here if he chooses to.
Cost him 26,000 pesos for EVERYTHING when "Hipolito" was President!
Paid the right official, DONE!!!!!

When will you people who have "No Clue" about living in the DR,....finally ,..."GET IT"????????????????

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[MikeFisher]

Well Ray, ya can't say I didn't try

They don't want me here... And, I:

Rent a house
Own a car in my name
Pay my electric
Pay my cable
Have a local cell phone
Have Dominican car and health insurance
My wife volunteered and now has a job here, for an NGO, helping poor Dominicans
My daughter goes to preschool
My kids go to school
Employ a nanny who supports her family on the income
Employ a gardener
Drink Brugal and Presedente
Ride in carros publicos
Go to the beach
Eat Chicken, Rice, and Habichuelas
Visit our favorite watering whole in the Campo
Buy things at Colmados
Go to local, Dominican owned, restaurants
Purchase our food at Dominican owned grocery stores
Visit parks and attractions
Pay a ridiculous amount of taxes via ITBIS
And spend the occasional night dancing bachata (poorly mind you) and drinking cuba libres.

Oh yea. And, we are learning how to speaka de espanol! Doing pretty good too!

You have epically failed to make any point at all in this thread. I am ingrained in my community, self sufficient, pay dearly to live here, help Dominicans when I can and they don't want me, legal or otherwise. GTFO Ray.

ridiculous amount of ITBIS?
you wanna tell me before you came to the DR, you lived in a country where You paid less Taxes on things? because the countries where i lived prior to my Island Venture, including the USA, been far higher taxed than the DR is.

Mike

 

[MikeFisher]

I have NEVER been denied ANYTHING in the DR in 30 years because I have no residency, and am an illegal here.
I worked for the DR government for 10 years.
I have a gringo friend from NYC who is a Dominican citizen, has a gun permit, a Dominican cedula,and can vote here if he chooses to.
Cost him 26,000 pesos for EVERYTHING when "Hipolito" was President!
Paid the right official, DONE!!!!!

When will you people who have "No Clue" about living in the DR,....finally ,..."GET IT"????????????????

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that's correct, CCCCCCC.
my own residency cost me 9.000.- if i remember correctly from back in the day, and that already included the fee for the lawyer Lady who did it for me. one year later i got the permanent one which i have til today, that been 2.000-2500.- pesos extra after that year. both fees included the according cedula to the residency card. don't remember where exactly the exchange rate was at that time, it was somewhere 16-18 pesos for a dollar.
it was cheap to be paid out of the pocket, hassle free.
but back in time we also knew that it will not stay that easy on the long run, hence i did it right away, got rid of that headache right away and hopefully forever.
the renewal every 10 years is not a real hassle, even if i have to give some blood and pee on the next renewal, maybe(who knows what the rules will be then in 2021?).
that you choose to not go by your host country's rules is your personal decision, the same decision as millions of illegals in your birth country also choose.
just, in case some day something unexpected happens(which i wish you that it never will happen to you or your family), you should not come on DR1 and complain about the bad dominicans and their corrupt government and their Laws, because for them you are simply a illegal intruder.
what the few illegal Gringo Foreigners provide for the country due their "outrageous ITBIS payments", employing some haitian maids or gardeners, sending kids to school, what that minority of Gringos does here in the country really affects the country not in the slightest. the vast mayority of decades long Gringo Expats have their papers, nobody cares much for the minorities.
it is personal choice to live with and by the given Laws of any country visited/lived in, of course some do not like that and choose to live outside of the Law. some on minimal stuff like Immigrations Laws, others on more significant "out of the law" stuff, hence all countries have filled up overflowing Prisons, due people who do not decide to go by the rule/law.
personal choice.
all the best, what ever each is choosing for the own life.

Mike

 

[drSix]

ridiculous amount of ITBIS?
you wanna tell me before you came to the DR, you lived in a country where You paid less Taxes on things? because the countries where i lived prior to my Island Venture, including the USA, been far higher taxed than the DR is.

Mike

Holy crap, I can't believe we are having this conversation. My taxes in 'murica (Still pay property taxes there) go to things like, schools, fire department, ambulances, city services, police. I can walk into a hospital and get treated, roads are nice etc.

I figure I pay $700 a month here is sales tax. And what do I get for those taxes? Nada... No school I would send my kids to, no hospital I would step foot in, no ambulance or fire department to call, and no cops who'll care.

No, I don't pay income tax here, but I don't pay any in the US either ATM.