Falacies about Punta Cana: GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!

[Hlywud]

DOMINICAUS:
Because you are young and not well educated as to things "Hurricane-related" let me fill you in:
If you look above at that very colorful map of all of the hurricanes for which there is data, you will see that only one (a green line) went directly across the island. Only one! And I lived through that. It was David on

31 August 1979. I lost over 100.000 US that evening!

Let me also point out that on the North Shore there are many buildings of over 100 years old. In Gaspar Hernandez, Puerto Plata, Monte Cristi, and they are wood...did you read that? WOOD....I tell people my beachhouse is over 50 years old and has never (knock on wood) been bothered by a hurricane.

And to you know why? Because of the Septentrional Mountains. As the hurricane sweeps by on the North, its winds keep getting stuck on those mountains and it quickly loses power...That is why.

So do yourself a favor and watch and learn and maybe in 50 years you can give people some good advice...Like I am trying to do...


HB

Take this man's advise, he is very wise

 

[belgiank]

I didn't say they don't exist, did I...those people don't stay there when a hurricane is coming...Most of the damage is done by floods...take that to the bank.

the gardener, who lives on the property, lives in a house of "blo..." with a zinc roof. You want me to ask him to tell you how much damage he suffered last night? And that is nothing in comparison of what is waiting for him tonight.

Sure, the total of the damage is only a couple of thousand dollars. Peanuts to you, his life savings for him...

That is why we spend a good part of the day moving his stuff, or putting it on blocks...

But as you said... he should have hired a truck, moved all his belongings out of there, and stay with his 90-year old mother, who lives in a wooden shack... Being sarcastic here...

BelgianK

 

[Dominicaus]

DOMINICAUS:
If you look above at that very colorful map of all of the hurricanes for which there is data, you will see that only one (a green line) went directly across the island. Only one! And I lived through that. It was David on 31 August 1979. I lost over 100.000 US that evening!

Let me also point out that on the North Shore there are many buildings of over 100 years old. In Gaspar Hernandez, Puerto Plata, Monte Cristi, and they are wood...did you read that? WOOD....

Don't see your map...but did you see the one I linked thanks to Windeguy? And what about Hortense? (96?)...I showed a sat pic with its EYE apparently less than 100Kms N of PP...AT THAT point...

 

[windeguy]

I do appreciate the link...which helps me make my point....see for yourself the actual paths from 2011 (just one example)...you will see lots of path going North of the DR...and one that specifically goes over Puerto Rico and touches the North Coast from above (not coming from PC or the South of the island) and eventually hits the Bahamas...None went through PC or the SE in fact (I know in other years they may, but still it shows the point)...The only Southern one barely hits Haiti and then goes through Cuba...see for yourself...

While it looks like Irene hit the north coast from that Image, it really did not. It thankfully went by to the north and the north coast got some rain and tropical storm force winds. (I know you like the rain/water damage aspects of hurricanes) Also Jeanne in 2004 was a tropical storm when it went over the Puerto Plata area and there were effects but it was not a hurricane at the time.

My point is this. No hurricane has made landfall in the area around Puerto Plata. I do not believe there have ever been more than tropical force winds in the Puerto Plata area. That is a claim that cannot be made in Punta Cana. The south, southeast and east and northeast coasts of the DR are at much higher risk than the north coast near Puerto Plata. Luperon, just west of Puerto Plata is THE HURRICANE SAFE harbor in this region.

Here are a list of hurricanes that hit the DR from DR1's own information page:

• Jeanne (Category 1). 16 September 2004. East Coast, Samana and Puerto Plata.
• Georges. (Category 3). 22 September 1998. 190 km/h. Santo Domingo and La Romana on the southeastern coast.
• Hortense. (Category 3-1). 10 September 1996. East coast from Punta Cana to Samana. 148 km/h.
• Gilbert. (Category 3). 11 September 1988. Barahona on the southwestern coast, with winds of 200 km/h.
• Emily. (Category 4-2). 22 September 1987. Bani on the southwestern coast, winds of 220 km/h.
• David. (Category 5-4). 31 August 1979. 240 km/h. Santo Domingo on the south central coast.
• Eloise (Category 1) 13 September 1975 240 km/hr on Northeast coast.
• Beulah. (Category 4). 10-11 September 1967. Barahona on the western coast with winds of 225 km/h.
• Inez. (Category 4-3). 29 September 1966. Barahona on the western coast, winds of 204 kph.
• Edith. (Category 2). 26-27 September 1963. La Romana on the southeastern coast, winds of 160 km/h.
• Katie. (Category 1). 16 October 1955. Barahona on the western coast, winds of 125 km/h.
• San Zenon. (Category 3). 3 September 1930. 200 km/h. Santo Domingo on the south/central coast.
• Lili. 21 September 1894. Primarily affecting Santo Domingo and the southwestern coast.

 

[windeguy]

Make it a hurricane before I go insane:

Hey it's 5 o'clock!. Somebody pour me a hurricane!

[video=youtube;BPCjC543llU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPCjC543llU[/video]

 

[SantiagoDR]

First is the ridiculous allegation that there are no mountains near PC. Get your facts straight!!! There are LOTS OF MOUNTAINS near PC.

I can personally vouch for that.

I have seen many mountains near Punta Cana, usually attached to 2 fantastic legs.

 

[Dolores1]

Hey, Windeguy!

You state: "My point is this. No hurricane has made landfall in the area around Puerto Plata. I do not believe there have ever been more than tropical force winds in the Puerto Plata area. .... "

Then you post the list of hurricanes from DR1's Hurricane Page:

First on the list is:
Jeanne (Category 1). 16 September 2004. East Coast, Samana and Puerto Plata.

In September 2004, Jeanne caused damage in Cabarete, which is Puerto Plata province. That was a freak hurricane, but that storm, that moved in from the East, proved it can happen.

That stated, no one will disagree that statistically, the North Coast has been ALMOST hurricane-free. The region most hit is Barahona, in the Southwest.

 

[caribmike]

Correct me, if I am wrong please, but as far I recall the eye was 85 miles or so offshore at its closest approach to Puerto Plata and the system was moving NW, coming from the East... so not exactly a direct hit for POP despite the damage caused...

 

[Olly]

Look at the Track Caribmike

http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atlantic/2004/JEANNE/track.gif

I was here too!

Olly

 

[windeguy]

Hey, Windeguy!

You state: "My point is this. No hurricane has made landfall in the area around Puerto Plata. I do not believe there have ever been more than tropical force winds in the Puerto Plata area. .... "

Then you post the list of hurricanes from DR1's Hurricane Page:

First on the list is:
Jeanne (Category 1). 16 September 2004. East Coast, Samana and Puerto Plata.

In September 2004, Jeanne caused damage in Cabarete, which is Puerto Plata province. That was a freak hurricane, but that storm, that moved in from the East, proved it can happen.

That stated, no one will disagree that statistically, the North Coast has been ALMOST hurricane-free. The region most hit is Barahona, in the Southwest.

So, you think you have me do you? Well, when Jeanne went by the north coast at Cabarete it was a tropical storm and not a hurricane.

Check out the the LAT 19 LON 70 information where Cabarete is for Jeanne and you will see it was a tropical storm and a tropical depression in that area. Close, but no cigar:

(I am sorry this does not show well in the formatting. Best to click on the link at the bottom of this post to see the data more clearly)

Date: 13-29 SEP 2004 Hurricane JEANNE ADV LAT LON TIME WIND PR STAT 1 15.90 -60.00 09/13/18Z 25 1010 TROPICAL DEPRESSION 2 16.00 -60.70 09/14/00Z 25 1010 TROPICAL DEPRESSION 3 16.30 -61.50 09/14/06Z 30 1009 TROPICAL DEPRESSION 4 16.40 -62.60 09/14/12Z 35 1006 TROPICAL STORM 5 16.70 -63.50 09/14/18Z 50 996 TROPICAL STORM 6 17.10 -64.00 09/15/00Z 55 996 TROPICAL STORM 7 17.20 -64.80 09/15/06Z 55 994 TROPICAL STORM 8 17.60 -65.40 09/15/12Z 60 991 TROPICAL STORM 9 18.10 -66.20 09/15/18Z 60 991 TROPICAL STORM 10 18.50 -67.10 09/16/00Z 60 993 TROPICAL STORM 11 18.60 -67.80 09/16/06Z 60 992 TROPICAL STORM 12 18.60 -68.50 09/16/12Z 70 984 HURRICANE-1 13 18.80 -69.00 09/16/18Z 65 988 HURRICANE-1 14 19.20 -69.40 09/17/00Z 60 990 TROPICAL STORM 15 19.40 -69.90 09/17/06Z 55 990 TROPICAL STORM 16 19.70 -70.70 09/17/12Z 50 990 TROPICAL STORM 17 20.00 -71.60 09/17/18Z 30 1002 TROPICAL DEPRESSION 18 20.20 -72.00 09/18/00Z 40 1000 TROPICAL STORM 19 20.40 -72.50 09/18/06Z 45 1000 TROPICAL STORM 20 21.20 -72.80 09/18/12Z 45 1000 TROPICAL STORM 21 21.70 -72.30 09/18/18Z 40 1005 TROPICAL STORM 22 22.20 -72.20 09/19/00Z 40 1002 TROPICAL STORM 23 22.80 -72.30 09/19/06Z 40 1002 TROPICAL STORM 24 23.50 -72.50 09/19/12Z 40 1000 TROPICAL STORM 25 24.20 -72.30 09/19/18Z 45 996 TROPICAL STORM 26 24.80 -72.10 09/20/00Z 50 994 TROPICAL STORM 27 25.50 -72.00 09/20/06Z 55 992 TROPICAL STORM 28 26.60 -71.70 09/20/12Z 60 989 TROPICAL STORM 29 27.20 -71.40 09/20/18Z 75 984 HURRICANE-1 30 27.40 -70.80 09/21/00Z 75 982 HURRICANE-1 31 27.60 -70.20 09/21/06Z 75 972 HURRICANE-1 32 27.60 -69.50 09/21/12Z 75 972 HURRICANE-1 33 27.40 -69.20 09/21/18Z 75 972 HURRICANE-1 34 27.20 -68.90 09/22/00Z 80 972 HURRICANE-1 35 26.80 -68.70 09/22/06Z 85 968 HURRICANE-2 36 26.50 -68.50 09/22/12Z 85 968 HURRICANE-2 37 26.20 -68.80 09/22/18Z 85 967 HURRICANE-2 38 25.70 -69.00 09/23/00Z 85 966 HURRICANE-2 39 25.50 -69.30 09/23/06Z 85 966 HURRICANE-2 40 25.50 -69.60 09/23/12Z 80 966 HURRICANE-1 41 25.80 -70.00 09/23/18Z 75 966 HURRICANE-1 42 26.00 -70.40 09/24/00Z 70 966 HURRICANE-1 43 26.10 -71.20 09/24/06Z 75 969 HURRICANE-1 44 26.20 -72.20 09/24/12Z 80 969 HURRICANE-1 45 26.40 -73.10 09/24/18Z 85 968 HURRICANE-2 46 26.40 -74.30 09/25/00Z 85 964 HURRICANE-2 47 26.50 -75.60 09/25/06Z 90 960 HURRICANE-2 48 26.60 -76.90 09/25/12Z 100 957 HURRICANE-3 49 26.90 -78.20 09/25/18Z 105 952 HURRICANE-3 50 27.10 -79.40 09/26/00Z 105 951 HURRICANE-3 51 27.30 -80.60 09/26/06Z 95 953 HURRICANE-2 52 27.70 -81.60 09/26/12Z 75 965 HURRICANE-1 53 28.30 -82.30 09/26/18Z 55 970 TROPICAL STORM 54 29.30 -82.70 09/27/00Z 45 978 TROPICAL STORM 55 30.10 -83.30 09/27/06Z 40 981 TROPICAL STORM 56 31.10 -83.90 09/27/12Z 35 987 TROPICAL STORM 57 32.50 -83.60 09/27/18Z 30 993 TROPICAL DEPRESSION 58 33.20 -83.20 09/28/00Z 25 998 TROPICAL DEPRESSION 59 34.10 -82.40 09/28/06Z 20 999 TROPICAL DEPRESSION 60 35.40 -81.00 09/28/12Z 20 1000 TROPICAL DEPRESSION 61 37.30 -78.40 09/28/18Z 25 999 TROPICAL DEPRESSION 62 38.30 -76.40 09/29/00Z 25 999 EXTRATROPICAL DEPRESSION 63 38.80 -74.70 09/29/06Z 35 999 EXTRATROPICAL STORM 64 38.50 -72.50 09/29/12Z 35 999 EXTRATROPICAL STORM

http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atlantic/2004/JEANNE/track.dat

 

[Dolores1]

You are right! Need to change the DR1 Hurricane Page and remove Puerto Plata.
It had been downgraded to a tropical storm when it hit the north coast. In this image, it can be seen better.

 

[windeguy]

Correct me, if I am wrong please, but as far I recall the eye was 85 miles or so offshore at its closest approach to Puerto Plata and the system was moving NW, coming from the East... so not exactly a direct hit for POP despite the damage caused...

You are correct and when it went by, Jeanne was not a hurricane. I was here as well. Dolores has a good image of that in the post above.

 

[Dolores1]

That is in the DR1 Hurricane page at dr1.com/weather/hurricanes.shtml [By the way, the page is my responsibility at dr1.com]
The previous post must have been an earlier page that was later edited.

The page actually states that Jeane had become a tropical storm when passing the north coast. Samana gets hurricanes, not so Puerto Plata and the north coast. At least so far...

So Windeguy is correct in saying that the north coast has not received a hurricane --at least as far back as anyone remembers, or we have been able to document.

 

[Dominicaus]

I do appreciate the link...which helps me make my point....see for yourself the actual paths from 2011 (just one example)...you will see lots of path going North of the DR...and one that specifically goes over Puerto Rico and touches the North Coast from above (not coming from PC or the South of the island) and eventually hits the Bahamas...None went through PC or the SE in fact...

Here is the tracking map of the very active 2008 season...you'll see basically a maze of paths some even going "wrong way" to the North East...MOST hurricanes and tropical storms pass NORTH of the DR...the closest they ever get to the DR is actually...get ready...the NORTH COAST.
Granted most, the vast majority pass far from the North Coast, but they are EVEN FARTHER from Punta Cana and the SE. The exception that year was exactly ONE (tropical storm) that went through the SE. See for yourself.
After the 2008 tracking map, there is a more clear image of the 2011 season (official NOAA site):

Here is a larger view of last year's (2011)season...again, most paths pass NORTH of the DR...the closest point to them are in the NORTH COAST, not the SE.

 

[Dolores1]

I have been reading about Hurricane Irene... seems that it hit Puerto Plata... but my memory fails me. Can anyone recover the track of that hurricane to post here?

 

[Dolores1]

Yes, it is on that map. Caused damage. It did pass close enough. Probably we should include it in the DR1 Hurricane list.

 

[Dolores1]

Hurricane Irene passed 85 kms from coast of Puerto Plata on 23 September 2011 packing winds of 160kms. It was a Hurricane 2 storm.

 

[Olly]

Dolores,
Here is the Track fr Irene :

http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atlantic/2005/IRENE/track.gif

Olly and the Team

 

[Olly]

sorry that was 2005 ! Here is 2011 :
http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atlantic/2011/IRENE/track.gif
Olly and the Team

 

[Olly]

In the time I have been hereon the north coast - 7 years now Jeanne was the most damaging !

Olly and the Team