Getting ready to remove the curfew?

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Eugene_A

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I say send in the Balaguer-era firing broomsticks into these "communities", clean them out top to bottom, and then once sanitized properly.....rescind the curfew.
They could use the mass graves that were dug for all the C19 victims last year.
And then never get re-elected.
 

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I think Abinader has stated he's going to be a one term President a few times.
It's not about Abinader, it's about the whole party. Whoever they want to put as a next president, they don't want to lose. So there will be no decisions like 'go to those barrios and shoot all criminals in the head'. They don't even enforce traffic laws, traffic accidents cause more deaths than Covid, and they could easily force everyone to drive normally in one week, they have enough DIGISETT personnel for that. You know, if they confiscate 20 cars and 100 mopeds in one day for reckless driving and destroy them in front of TV cameras, tomorrow everybody will drive following the rules. But once again, they won't be re–elected after such measures. So don't expect any draconian measures against crime either. Current curfew is a win–win situations for them, they can continue it 'because of COVID' and I think they will continue it as long as they can.
 
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Caonabo

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It's not about Abinader, it's about the whole party. Whoever they want to put as a next president, they don't want to lose. So there will be no decisions like 'go to those barrios and shoot all criminals in the head'. They don't even enforce traffic laws, traffic accidents cause more deaths than Covid, and they could easily force everyone to drive normally in one week, they have enough DIGISETT personnel for that. You know, if they confiscate 20 cars and 100 mopeds in one day for reckless driving and destroy them in front of TV cameras, tomorrow everybody will drive following the rules. But once again, they won't be re–elected after such measures. So don't expect any draconian measures against crime either. Current curfew is a win–win situations for them, they can continue it 'because of COVID' and I think they will continue it as long as they can.

If you are not aware that historically some bad actors are taken out of some bad places by those direct orders from high above, then CR may be correct in that you should learn a bit more about the place you choose to reside.
This is not meant to be derogatory in any means, as I believe in the substance of most of your postings.
Although my thoughts are more in line with legitimate criminal activity (against persons and property), as opposed to what some may refer to as life quality transgressions or infractions.
 
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william webster

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I think the major problem w/ Eugene's thought is ----- we have bigger fish to fry
and easier ones to fix

As we go forward (hopefully) poco a poco..... life might enable change more easily
 

Eugene_A

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If you are not aware that historically some bad actors are taken out of some bad places by those direct orders from high above, then CR may be correct in that you should learn a bit more about the place you choose to reside.
This is not meant to be derogatory in any means, as I believe in the substance of most of your postings.
Although my thoughts are more in line with legitimate criminal activity (against persons and property), as opposed to what some may refer to as life quality transgressions or infractions.
I am aware of what you're talking about, but I doubt that such orders will be issued for every car battery thief. It's much easier to just keep the curfew in place as long as they can.
 

Eugene_A

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I think the major problem w/ Eugene's thought is
We all think this and that... but there's some statistics, and it says that since Covid started, at least 3222 people died with Covid in DR. Maybe for some of them the cause of death was not Covid, maybe (and probably) there are some more deaths that were not counted. But anyway, there is a fact that more than 3000 people died with the virus here.

On the other hand, there is absolutely no data that any bar owners died because their bars went out of business. I have not heard of any person who died because he could not spend his late evening in a local colmadon and had to drink his beer at home. I am not aware of anybody who died because his travel plans were ruined, because his flights were canceled, because his favorite restaurant is closed, because he could not enjoy the beach on Semana Santa or on Christmas, and honestly I have never heard about any person in DR who died because he lost his job due to shutdowns.
 
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CristoRey

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They wouldn't be missed, and your call centre would then have some position vacancies for good honest people.
I do not own a call center. I broker to them. That you would suggest I'd have some vacancies as a result of a few folks
who are known drug addicts getting killed is pretty lame. I've helped put food on the table for a lot of families in this country. Far more than most of the virtue signaling muppets who post on this forum.
 

Caonabo

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I am aware of what you're talking about, but I doubt that such orders will be issued for every car battery thief. It's much easier to just keep the curfew in place as long as they can.

With the substance of CR's assertions, I was assuming he was speaking of more violent crimes to befall us within the nation:
Carjacking, home invasion, robberies or thefts of the most violent matter, usually involving weaponry.....not stealing somebody's garden hose or hubcaps.
Those sorts are just annoying loafs. Hardcore criminals are the ones I was making reference to.
 

Caonabo

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I do not own a call center. I broker to them. That you would suggest I'd have some vacancies as a result of a few folks
who are known drug addicts getting killed is pretty lame. I've helped put food on the table for a lot of families in this country. Far more than most of the virtue signaling muppets who post on this forum.

I never stated you own a call center, but you frequently make reference to them, and the deportees who are often employed by them, so I included it within the context of my assertion.
For a broader description of the subset I was referring to, please see Posting #151.
 

Eugene_A

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With the substance of CR's assertions, I was assuming he was speaking of more violent crimes to befall us within the nation:
Carjacking, home invasion, robberies or thefts of the most violent matter, usually involving weaponry.....not stealing somebody's garden hose or hubcaps.
Those sorts are just annoying loafs. Hardcore criminals are the ones I was making reference to.
You know, 'hardcore' criminals who use weapons and commit violent crimes, still can commit them during the day now. Most armed robberies in DR are committed early in the morning and in the afternoon, not late at night. There was some statistics about that published many times, I think it's possible to google it. But things like car battery theft are traditionally committed at night here. And when 5 or more cars are affected on the same street during one night, it becomes hardcore enough for the residents of the area. You know what happens sometimes if they catch the thief before police arrives. I believe if the curfew will be lifted now, in many areas it will be 10 or more cars on EVERY street affected EVERY night.
 

Eugene_A

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Looks like on three most important days of Semana Santa everybody has to act like normal after 7 PM. Good!

Por el período de Semana Santa se dispuso una excepción para los días dos, tres y cuatro de abril (Viernes Santo, Sábado Santo y Domingo de Resurrección) donde se establece el toque de queda a nivel nacional desde las 7:00 de la noche hasta las 5:00 de la mañana.

También para los referidos días se dispone la gracia de libre circulación de tres horas adicionales, es decir, hasta las 10:00 de la noche.

La medida también prohíbe el expendio y consumo de bebidas alcohólicas en lugares públicos, y privados de uso público.
 

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You only support my original statement that "you truly have no clue" writing this. I really don't mean to be disrespectful but it is obvious you do not know the Dominican/Latin culture. Yes you may have traveled to Latin countries, I'm currently in Colombia, which you mentioned because of the curfew in the D.R. Latinos like eating a late meal. My son's in-laws who live in a very nice area of S.D. are often out past nine visiting friends or having dinner and I used to go out past nine regularly when I was there. I was not making any unnecessary noise in the streets. I worked at least 6 days a week, long hours in the businesses I owned and sometimes THAT was the reason I was out late. I have had female doctor friends that, yes worked a ton but when they didn't have to be at work early the next morning they wanted to go out to a nice dinner and a club. I have been out with friends uncountable times after nine when i was living in S.D. and since in Santiago.
To get back to your first question about damage to the population a nine p.m. curfew does, it hurst many people that have made their living off these businesses. Plus when numerous restaurants go out of business that has a ripple effect on their supply line. There were also many businesses that survived off the swing shift and late night workers. Most small businesses survive on small margins so if you take away even 15% of their business they are in trouble. - Don't worry though, it hasn't hurt the big supermarket chains or banks as they have been able to cut employee hours while continuing to drive the same level of revenue. How many people working in Supermercado Nacional, Plaza Llama and ALL the banks do you think lost jobs over this???
I'm glad you are happy and content but many others are suffering.
Very well written response to a very complicated problem...
Especially, that very many people, professionals and others are not beholden to a set time schedule.
That really is so important in realizing what hours WE can choose to work, eat, sleep, socialize, exercise, recreate...
For those of you who profess to love the prolonged curfew, you better be ready for Fascism.
 

william webster

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Now that we have had more time to assess the situation - globally -
My feeling is that the DR has done a good job handling the pandemic.

Look at Europe flailing along not very well.
Canada (Ontario) is going in to 28 day lock down again - for a second time !!
US has vaccinated a lot of people.... cases still increase.

Overall, we here are doing pretty well with minimal disruption to daily living......IMO
 

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Now that we have had more time to assess the situation - globally -
My feeling is that the DR has done a good job handling the pandemic.

Look at Europe flailing along not very well.
Canada (Ontario) is going in to 28 day lock down again - for a second time !!
US has vaccinated a lot of people.... cases still increase.

Overall, we here are doing pretty well with minimal disruption to daily living......IMO
The Lowy Institute studied each country's COVID response. The Dominican Republic's is currently fairing better that Canada and the USA. https://interactives.lowyinstitute.org/features/covid-performance/#country-compare
 
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